JQ full of lies once again
Nice try Buchanan, 65 of the people who went over were from QF (on original JQ contract). Only 6 accepted part time contracts with a sunny Darwin undertone... Good luck with the rest.
JETSTAR is on the hunt for pilots for its new Japanese joint-venture after its previous foray into the job market attracted almost four applicants for each job. The airline advertised for 150 pilots six weeks ago and received about 550 applications, including a record 156 from Qantas. "That's well and truly in train and now we're looking for Japan for the first time," Jetstar chief executive Bruce Buchanan said yesterday. "We're looking to recruit about 100 pilots in Japan over the next 12 to 18 months. That's in addition to the 150 that we were looking for previously." Mr Buchanan said the airline had already filled about 70 of the 150 roles, a good outcome because of time needed to get pilots through the assessment process. "That's going really well, we're very happy with all of that," he said. Mr Buchanan said about 50 pilots would move across from Qantas and he expected a good response from Qantas and Jetstar pilots for the new Japanese roles. He said the airline had been spending time with Japanese authorities getting a licensing approach approved and had been recruiting Japanese pilots for the past two years "ahead of the curve" so they could get line experience before moving back into Japan. Commenting on the predictions by aircraft manufacturers of a looming pilot shortage, Mr Buchanan said he was confident the airline's recruiting pipeline could fulfil demand over the short to medium term. "Over the next 12 months I don't see any problems, but beyond that it's always tough to forecast," he said. "What we're seeing at the moment, with the weakness in Europe and the US, is an awful lot of pilots applying out of those jurisdictions. "We're not having a lot of problems attracting pilots." He agreed that the market would tighten but noted turnover had been small. |
hmmm, apparently an Expression of Interest is now a full application? How can you tell these Execs are lying? A. Their mouths are open.
On the subject of lying. Can anyone comment on JQ's stated policy that they don't carry pets because " the holds are unpressurized ". |
Where exactly did you find a "stated" policy to that effect???
Like all Airbus the holds are pressurised... a quick common sense check would have dismissed that assertion if you had bothered to think about it.:ugh: |
This page here,
its right down the bottom in the RH corner Checked Baggage, Luggage Allowances and Restrictions | Jetstar Australia |
JQ website
Checked Baggage, Luggage Allowances and Restrictions | Jetstar Australia As we don’t have pressurised baggage holds, unfortunately we are unable to accept reservations for pets on any of our aircraft. a quick common sense check would have dismissed that assertion if you had bothered to think about it. |
The holds are pressurised.
Again let common sense prevail.... |
I think Kremin already knew that.
Fibs about pilot application numbers is nothing new. They have said that about the NZ operation from the start. Which is why no Australian pilots have to go there to help and they dont have to offer sign on and retention incentives either. This mindset also helps to explain the recent memo rejoicing in the increased number of OSCARs lately. Apparently its down to a greatly increased reporting rate. Nothing at all to do with the operation getting bigger and having more incidents. Well done the Safety Committee. Back slaps and KPIs all round. :rolleyes: |
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I don’t work for JQ but I can assure you that the cargo holds are pressurised. The web site is wrong. If they weren’t the pax floor would collapse into the cargo hold. What may be the case is the cargo holds may not be heated. I’m sure though that a JQ driver will be able to tell us whether JQ A320/330’s have cargo/bulk cargo heating. |
The 330's would have bulk heating, because Qantas' does and that is where Jetstar's came from.... Unless they don't use them in some sort of inane cost-cutting measure.
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You can give me that apology any time you like CL.
What this highlights is the attitude towards the paying public. Contempt. They could have said something along the lines of; "We try to keep costs to a minimum therefore we don't carry pets..." you know... that little forgotten thing called The Truth. But no, this outfit figures that the general public will swallow a LIE like this and save them the hassle of explaining that they probably couldn't get Qantas personnel to look after pets, lets face it with a employee to aircraft ratio better than Southwest Airlines there is no fat to spare unless big brother QF chips in for free... and hence they'd rather not carry them. So they LIE. A simple LIE but an unqualified LIE nevertheless. It is not about no heating or anything like that...no... Joe Public simply needs to be told the BS that they fly airbus's with unpressurised holds. It is not a grand LIE in the scheme of things really. Just a convenient LIE. Nobody really hurt. However; I know how I feel about people I catch out in a LIE.... I never trust them again. Businesses are the same. Someone should tell Buchanan that The business that is Jetstar LIES when it suits them. End of story. |
The holds are pressurised. Again let common sense prevail.... |
Some years ago the Mayor of New York introduced zero tolerance policeing. Police were instructed to issue tickets and pursue individuals for even the most trivial of infractions. Littering, jaywalking etc....
What happened was interesting to say the least. Many "trivial" offenders were found to have outstanding warrants for more serious crimes. This indicated a pattern of dishonest behavior in general, and in many cases an entrenched disregard for the moral and legal responsibilities that most if us adhere to. What else are the bastards guilty of? personally I trust them as far as I could throw them. |
Most of the employees in Bourke St have no front line operational experience. Including management, and therefore not much clue. It is these employees that are tasked with the drawing up and implementation of the endless "policies" we see promulgated around here.
I think this is the reason for the inaccuracy in this case. The deliberate attempt at BS'ing with the OSCARs memo is another matter altogether. |
Sorry Waren, the website is unequivocal. "none of our aircraft are pressurised" is a black and white statement. The staff could easily verify the statement with one phone call to the chief pilot.
Some Exec is responsible for what goes on that web page. The policy is "no pets" for whatever reason, probably costs. they don't want to admit that, so the BS goes up in place. The organization has history. |
Jetstar Japan
Alteon in Brisbane were asked yesterday to provide A320 sim instructors to go to Tokyo to commence endorsement training for pilots from December. They will use ANA simulators.
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Right to live and Work?
I cant see how Jetstar's boss can say that alot of QF drivers are wanting to work in Japan when on the Ad I saw this morning it stated you needed a Japanese ATPL and the right to live and work in Japan. That would exclude almost everyone in the world except people already flying for a company in Japan. Why would they switch?
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Very good questions. I don't know of a single QF guy who has expressed any interest.
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Makes you wonder why they even bother advertising here....I haven't seen too many Japanese expats flying around Aus.
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mmmm, where did it say 'JACAB' and 'Right to live and work'?
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They are dreamin' if they are paying USD or AUD in the strongest and most expensive economy in the world.
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He said the airline had been spending time with Japanese authorities getting a licensing approach approved and had been recruiting Japanese pilots for the past two years "ahead of the curve" so they could get line experience before moving back into Japan. ?? The only Japanese pilots in the system are the ones at 3K. And I can tell you that the majority (in fact every single one of them I have flown with) have absolutely no intention of returning to Japan. They're quite happy in SIN on a lower tax rate. And I'm suuuurrrre QF guys are just climbing over themselves to go and take a ****ty job with ****ty pay and live in a ****ty little apartment near NRT or HND (excluding a few that might want a management title. And good luck to you dealing with that mob up there). I simply cannot believe the garbage that comes from this man's mouth. |
Where's your link, Dog?....I cant find it
....it would be a fantastic spin, I'm sure. |
Is this guy a pathological liar?
I remember watching the senate enquiry and even Alan Joyce had to step in and pull the reins on him a couple of times. That is saying something. After all, this is the guy who calls his frontline staff rouge kamikazes. To even suggest this after the events of 9/11 yet alone the events of WW2 is deplorable. I'm aghast we can have men like these in charge of an Australian airline. Whatever happened to men like Howard Hughes? Reg Ansett? Jaun Trippe? Visionaries passionate about aviation. Not bean counters trying to make a name for themselves. A classic example of his contempt for moral behaviour or corporate ethics is his interlude under the covers a while back. Surely this is a case of him believing he is above the standards required of other employees? I believe a flight attendant was sacked for the same thing! Then management crying about mainline not returning cost of capital News flash retards, aviation never has! This is the industry Qantas is in. If you want better returns for your five billion dollars, go dig a hole in the Pilbara and shut the airline down. Simple. Aviation loses money, but the flow on effects and the industries it supports are where the true value lies. |
Jetstar hunts pilots for Japanese joint-venture | The Australian
Just look at the head on it. Makes me cringe. |
Thanks Dog....funny stuff
Maybe they'll just employ some of the 2,000 JAL pilots the retrenched in the last 12 months Odd ....real odd We cant touch this with J* current wage structure, unless you're keen on rice and a little rat meat, and sleeping in the train station. |
....and, the last time I saw a head like that, it had a hook in it !
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JCAB licence involved about 6 months of ground school...:eek:
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...on a J* training wage?
Hahahaha .......how much would they charge the pilots for that!....Salary sacrifice in the true sense :rolleyes: |
Where does it state?
Tac inop,
If you look on the Careers section of the Jetstar website it is very specific that you must have those 2 criteria. |
Wow it is a real pain in the you know where to go through the red tape of a JCAB ATPL, plus the japanese medical is a nightmare in itself, you would need a few months minimum just to get the theory out of the way let alone the line training. Wonder if they will pay more than the Air Japan contracts? somehow I doubt it!
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...oh yup, I see it now, thanks 'mac.
So, why even bother to fish in Australian waters then? ( no real pun intended) Some Aussies have had a JCAB...but not the right to full Japanese residency. To satisfy those 2 criteria...you'd have to had worked there before...and be married to a Japanese.....or be Japanese. ...Dunno about you lot, but I dunno anyone with those 2 under their belt. So, why the hell advertise here? ....maybe its to state that they tried everyone in Oz first, but we didn't make the 'stringent selection criteria blah blah spin something something Dark Side'. Who cares anyway, it wont pay enough for those comming from offshore. :ugh: |
These clowns have been given the keys to daddy's car, they're going to roll bowl and ass hole it, run the tank empty and sadly they will give it back to dad f&@$ed with no gas. Very sad. I see they are taking over more of Qantas premium money making routes in the shape of most of the Tasman Queenstown flying.
What ever this BB is smoking, I'd like some! He still can't get crew for his ****ty conditions in NZ and cancels flights regularly. Tell em he's dreaming |
They are taking apps for "Aust/NZ Sing and Vietnam" too.
So what is the real deal, are they actually looking for Aust based crews on Aust EBA and if so what base do the new recruits go to??? Is it Darwin for everyone or do you get a choice if there are spots open other places?? |
Seems like they have no real idea where they are going and just jumping from place to place until they run out of options.
Many of those options seem to be appearing with little if any due diligence or commercial assessment other than driving down costs. This is going to end badly, the only question is how badly. |
Does BB actually understand (or care) that a pilot just cant go to Japan and start flying around, it is a long and complicated process, and as someone else mentioned, what about the right to live and work there in the first place?
I think AJ and BB are way out of thier depth here. |
I can see the Japanese queuing up to work for the Gweilos .....
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So let me get this straight. They are about to expand? Hello! Is that right?
Could've fooled me. |
Most of the employees in Bourke St have no front line operational experience. Including management, and therefore not much clue. It is these employees that are tasked with the drawing up and implementation of the endless "policies" we see promulgated around here. Generation Y runs the orange outfit and most have no life skills and would be a blubbering mess without Ffacebook, Twatter, Ipads and every other people skill/communication eroding piece of technolgy. A truly foolish outfit managed by kindergarten babies. |
Goodluck getting anyone unless you're paying the bucks !
I've been with a Japanese carrier for just on 10 years and I can tell you there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that anyone up here will accept a fulltime postion in Japan on JQ pay. Not after the trouble you go through to get your ticket here. As for the JCAB ATPL, sorry but there are no short cuts. You can look forward to 7 months training if you hold a JCAB ATPL and type rating and around 12 months if you don't. :ugh: If you are rated , it wont really count here, you have to do it again, that will take about 6 months. :ugh: All of that done under the firm but friendly hand of JACAB, something to look forward too :O Around 80% of the guys who have ever applied here also fail the medical, I did my initial in Sydney, that took 3 days. :ugh: Goodluck , waiting with bated breath :rolleyes: PS 2000 JAL guys out of work..... that number is far from correct |
Mach082 Mr Pedantic here, perhaps you meant Gaijin as Gweilo is chinese....................
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