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You have to take your hat off to the JQ CEO who proudly claims the “90 years of QF unblemished safety reputation” as his own I'm not having a go at QF... just another of BB's stupid, unthought out, straight from the hip statements. |
QF "objecting to itself" re slave labour
A DAY after accusations that Jetstar's outsourced Thai-based crew are employed on ''slave'' labour conditions, Jetstar's parent company, Qantas, will write to the staff-hire company to object to its practices.
But because Qantas owns 37 per cent of the crew-hire company, Tour East Thailand, it is in effect objecting to itself, the national secretary of the Flight Attendants Association, Jo-Ann Davidson, said yesterday. Jetstar's cabin crew from Thailand were employed on Tour East contracts that effectively set no limit on hours of duty, and offered base wages of just $258 a month, an extra $7 an hour when flying and no sick leave, the ABC's Lateline program revealed. Read more: Qantas to act on Thai crew hire company |
JETSTAR has warned a Thai labour hire firm it faces the sack if threats to fatigued cabin crew continue, as they deal with fatigue allegations of their own. The airline has written to Tour East Thailand, of which Qantas owns 37 per cent, requiring it to retract letters to five Bangkok-based flight attendants who pulled out of a Sydney to Melbourne flight complaining of fatigue. The letters said poor time management was not acceptable and required promises the crew would not repeat their behaviour. It also castigated them for damaging Jetstar's reputation. Disgusting behaviour, I'm very suprised the part owner had no idea this was going on. The rationale of deny deny deny, impossible, never, not on our watch, safety is our #1 concern - oh wait, we were misled besides we won't control that company, we're minority shareholders, we apologize, we will sack our own part owned company if they do this again. Naughty Naughty! Brings back memories Jetstar tells tired pilots “Toughen up Princesses” | Plane Talking Once again, the pants are down around the ankles. There is a consistent theme going on here. |
Hilarious! The pressure is on, no doubt about it. QF pilots being offered gigs at JQ, letters of warning to oneself over fatigue treatment of staff !
The nupty's at the top are running for cover, but it is not good enough. Knee-jerk reactions and smoke and mirror 'fixes' are easier to see through than an empty hour glass. Folks, do not be fooled, once media coverage dies off the gimps in charge will be back out looking for blood. Stay focused, stay united, stand tall and face these clowns nose to nose. Make your voices heard, make it clear that enough is enough. The time has come that the tables must be turned. The only blood that needs spilling is within management. I would suggest a donation of money from the troops towards an advertising blitz, votes of no confidence in management, hit them where it hurts - there hip wallets, unite against the disgraceful treatment being unleashed on staff, social media campaigns, youtube campaigns, if a middle eastern country can unite and oust a political dictator in 4 days then why can't we do the same ? |
The airline has written to Tour East Thailand |
Lateline report
Hi all, I'm the reporter who did the story for Lateline on Jetstar. If anyone wants to contact me with any information or leads send me an email to [email protected]
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well done Steve (reporter). Be sure to empty your inbox, as you may not have sufficient room for the incoming mail
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Congratulations Steve.
I also suggest you research some of the affiliations that BB & AJ are connected with. The whole thing stinks. There will be a hull loss if the current management keep steering on the course they have chosen. But I'm sure they have already factored that into their plans and they will be long gone with their millions when it happens. |
Pandoras Box
Great Steve
Call your family. You may be busy for awhile. |
You do realise Steve, there will be no Chairman's Club membership forthcoming.
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A trail is as follows
As per the description on Holiday Tours & Travel Singapore - Your preferred travel management company - About Us Recognising that we share the same core values of customer service and a commitment to excellence in the industry, Qantas Airways, through its wholly-owned subsidiary, Qantas Holidays, acquired a major share in Holiday Tours & Travel in 1984. To further strengthen our range of services, Holiday Tours & Travel acquired Tour East in 1996, a leading regional destination management company that offers a very strong client base in Australia, UK/Europe, Asia and USA. Qantas also has a 75 percent stake in Holiday Tours, with offices in Singapore, Thailand, Hong Kong and Bali On 1 July 2004, Qantas (through its 75% owned controlled entity Holiday Tours & Travel Pte Ltd (Singapore)), incorporated Holidays Tours & Travel (China) Limited to market and sell holiday packages in China. Holidays Tours and Travel (Thailand) Limited 36.75% HOLIDAY TOURS & TRAVEL (SINGAPORE) PTE. LTD. f.k.a JETABOUT HOLIDAYS PRIVATE LIMITED f.k.a Q H TOURS PTE LTD Registrant: Tour East Singapore (1996) Pte Ltd 15 Cairnhill Road #07-05 Cairnhill Place Singapore, SG 229650 SG Domain Name: TOUREAST.NET Administrative Contact: TAN, CHERYL [email protected] HOLIDAY TOURS & TRAVEL PTE LTD 300 Orchard Road #07-05/06 SINGAPORE, SINGAPORE 238861 SG +65 2382801 fax: +65 7323497 Beginning as a ticketing agent in 1972, we have expanded significantly into other areas of the travel business. Today, the Holiday Tours Group has 17 operating entities in 11 countries and over 700 staff. Head Office 18-19th Floor, Charn Issara Tower 942/157-159 Rama 4 Road Bangkok 10500, Thailand T: (66) 2 267 1400 F: (66) 2 267 1330 E: [email protected] After-Office Hours Helpline: (66) 81 819 3641 Managing Director - Mr Prasert Isvarphornchai General Manager - Ms Massy Mittakarin Holiday Tours & Travel (Thailand) Ltd. 21st. Floor. Charn Issara Tower 1 942/160-163 Rama 4 Road Bangkok 10500 Tel. (66) 02 236 2800 / (66) 02 234 0031-4 Fax.(66) 02 237 6156 / (66) 02 236 0038 email. [email protected] redirects itself to Jetabout which in their 'about us' section states STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS Recognising that we share the same core values of customer service and a commitment to excellence in the industry, Qantas Airways, through its wholly-owned subsidiary, Qantas Holidays, acquired a major share in Holiday Tours & Travel in 1984. To further strengthen our range of services, Holiday Tours & Travel acquired Tour East in 1996, a leading regional destination management company that offers a very strong client base in Australia, UK/Europe, Asia and USA.
Domain : HOLIDAYTOURS.CO.TH ACE : HOLIDAYTOURS.CO.TH Registrar : T.H.NIC Co., Ltd. Name Server : CONDUCTOR.ASIANET.CO.TH CLARINET.ASIANET.CO.TH Status : ACTIVE Created Date : 4 Dec 2002 Exp Date : 3 Dec 2011 Domain Type : Business Domain Holder : Holiday Tours & Travel ( Thailand ) Ltd. ( บริษัท ฮอลิเดย์ทัวร์ แอนด์ ทราเวิล (ประเทศไทย) จำกัด ) 21st Floor,Charn Issara1 Tower,942/160-163 Rama IV Rd., Bangkok 10500 TH Phone: +66-2-2671400 Ext. 1901 Fax: +66-2-2360038 Domain Contact: ฝ่ายบัญชี Contact Email: [email protected] Tech Contact : Kamol Sanguanmoo (75433) Toureast (T.E.T.) Ltd. 18-19 th floor, Chan Issara Tower1, 942/157 -159 Rama 4 Rd., bangkok 10500 TH Phone: +66-2-2671400 Ext. 1901 Fax: +66-2-2360038 Email: [email protected] Or is Tour East (Thailand) owned by Holiday Tour & Travel (Thailand) ? Which entity owns the remaining 63.25% of HT&T (Thailand) if Qantas owns 36.75% directly ? |
I wonder why Qantas directly owns a minority stake - all with the same percentage of ownership in the countries it is currently expanding into with its Jetstar franchise.
As per the Annual Report last year, page 68; HT & T Travel Philippines, Inc. 28% Holiday Tours and Travel (Thailand) Ltd 37% Holiday Tours & Travel Vietnam Co. Ltd 37% PT Holidays Tours & Travel Tours Indonesia 37% Tour East (T.E.T) Ltd Tours and travel Thailand 37% in the 2007 annual report Travel management company HTT, which is 75 per cent owned by the Qantas Group, represents the Qantas Group in many parts of Asia. Its destination management arm, Tour East, offers a full range of ground handling services including accommodation, sightseeing tours, regional tours and the meetings, incentives, conferences and events market. As well as focusing on its established United Kingdom market, Tour East is increasing its penetration in new markets such as China, India and Europe. The HTT Group handled more than 900,000 customers in 2006/07. |
Excellent detective work 600ft-lb.
Time to start downloading & combing the annual reports: I've backed up all copies currently avaliable on the qf website for "safe keeping" :) QF Annual Reports This is the sort of leg work that may end up saving your job. All the information is there, its just a case of connecting the dots. The Jetconnect FWA & this case shows they have been sloppy hiding their tracks, I'm sure there are more skeletons buried, "hiding in plain sight". |
Thats a lead if I ever saw one.
It looks like QF owns a bit more than 37% of Tour East. |
There's your story Steve- this is more than industrial chicanery. It would have to be bordering on outright fraud. What is the corporate version of "Obtain financial advantage by deception", or "attempting to defraud the commonwealth"? I'm sure the ATO would be interested. It's the same sort of ethical mindset that becomes involved in illegal freight cartels etc.
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Steve,
Going back to what Poto wrote on page 1 of this thread: So the Thai cabin receive $258/month plus$7hr per flight hour. And BB tells the ABC that they earn up to $30k per annum without busting the, load of crap, FRMS that the QF group have been forced to embrace. That means they fly 74hrs a week with no annual leave That means that, assuming they are given 2 days per week off, they are working 15 hours a day, every day. That is the equivalent of Sydney to Los Angeles (or back), every working day. If you throw them 4 weeks off a year, then the calcs show that they are working 80 hours per week over the 48 working weeks. That is 16 hours every working day. That is when errors occur. |
Another amazing piece of the puzzle just fit in to place.
Dennis Choo aka Mr Choo Teck Wong owner of Westbrook Investments Pte Ltd Tour East - Contact Us Group Managing Director - Mr Dennis Choo Executive Director - Mr Duncan Choo Group General Manager, IT/Strategy - Mr Francis See Group Vice-President, Sales & Marketing - Ms Judy Lum Jetstar Asia better off without Temasek - Asian Skies This change involves the Singapore Government's investment arm Temasek Holdings selling its 33.5% stake in Singapore-based Jetstar Asia and the smaller shareholders are also selling out. It also means Qantas Airways is increasing its stake in Jetstar Asia to 49% from 45% and Singaporean businessman Dennis Choo is stepping in and buying a 51% stake. CNA had already interviewed Jetstar's CEO, Bruce Buchanan, yesterday and he would have obviously highlighted the positive aspects of the change. So the CNA reporter asked me in the afternoon what could be the possible negative consequences of no longer having Temasek as a shareholder. Quite frankly, I don't see a downside. Not having Temasek involved in Jetstar Asia, in my opinion, makes the decision-making process at Jetstar Asia a lot simpler and means the business can be run more efficiently. Buchanan told me that Choo has been doing business with Qantas for about 20 years and is already Qantas and Jetstar's general sales agent in many Asian countries such as Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, China and India. |
A bit more googling, this is a bit sad but its also fun
Qantas, Choo to take over Orangestar Mr Choo will be Newstar's chairman. Not much is known about Mr Choo, except that he has had a 30-year relationship with Qantas, controlling its ticketing distribution operations around the region. Qantas is a significant shareholder of his Singapore-based travel companies Holiday Tours & Travel and Tour East. He also sits on the board of Diethelm Keller Group, which owns STA Travel. And his companies recruit Jetstar's cabin crew in Thailand and Singapore. |
What an amasing house of cards this is turning out to be!!! Will it all come crashing down, I wonder.:confused:
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