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AUGUST 24th - QANTAS
C'mon, Someone must have some idea about that slaughter house awaits us all on August 24th - Discuss ?
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Joyce will pull of a rubber mask to reveal he is really Ms Jackson?
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In a nutshell, As far as QF international is concerned, if a route doesn't work with a 747 or 380, it's gone.
More flying for Jetconnect and Jetstar, Jetstars international aircraft to be repainted in to the QF livery, but still operated by Jetstar, the same as the current Jetconnect operation. Enjoy :E |
Sounds like an excuse for international pilot redundancies.
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Sounds like an excuse to attempt to SCARE a disenfranchised pilot group from industrial action.
Not very sophisticated either. Beware the trolls, naysayers and muckrakers gents and stick to your plans. |
Boys and Girls, its pretty obvious a private buyer wants the Qantas brand. They just don't want the people who built it.
The share price is being driven down, i'd be looking for someone to "short" Qantas when the offer is about to be made. There will be redundancies, but that won't help. Someone will take the corpse of the small shareholders hands and "voila!" as if by magic, the company flowers again, but in private hands! To put it another way, the Regulator is toothless and the markets are rigged. |
Joyce will pull of a rubber mask to reveal he is really Ms Jackson? |
Perhaps the 24 th would be the perfect day for PIA, would knock the wind out of any BS from above, the media just loves to focus on the negative stuff ( it sells papers ).
At the very least it would water down their media frenzy for, you know, the pontificating. |
very simple announcements
1) Qantas International based in SIN( remember SQ wants to open by years end an international low cost carrier. The problem for QF will be SQ low cost will tie up many landing slots in Europa).
2) pilots redundancies (cabin crew VR is at the moment actioned) 3) more route losses to QF (Buenos Aires comes to mind) 4) more routes to J*. 5)more bonuses because the share price will go up 6)Management reshuffle (watch this space):E 7) a new adverstising campaign (always impresses the journos):yuk: |
Tic toc tic toc.... Goes the playschool clock!!!!
Time to get real kiddies..... Strike or be struck!!! Bbbzbbz zzzzbnnbzzz |
I don't think I've ever hated anyone in my life.....I mean really hated....until now....
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Don't let emotions make the decisions or let the situation get to you. It will not change anything by worrying, hating etc.
Just remember.. IF YOU DON'T FIGHT , YOU LOSE! |
Resistance is useless.
Apologies to Vogon guards :) |
It's WAY too late already.
These plans would have been afoot for quite sometime, and by now extremely well advanced. Sad but true. What Buzzy said!!:ok: |
To me the thing that says most about management is the fact that no-one from flight ops management has yet acknowledged that there is a friggin' great big pachyderm sitting in the immediate contained environs (elephant in the room).
Nearly a week since AJs press club speech and no communication at all from Fleet Manager level or higher. A vague statement from a couple of managers today saying stay operationally, not industrially, focussed doesn't really cut it for those wondering if they'll have a job in eight weeks. Someone - at Fleet level or above - needs to have the guts to stick their head above the parapet and acknowledge that people are feeling concerned and start to really manage the situation. That would, however, require a level of empathy that appears to be sadly lacking. |
DA,
Even if anyone was to stick their head up it is blatantly obvious that they will be either lied to or mislead by all and sundry. This is a very sad state of affairs where these pretenders are playing with the lives of genuine and caring people (largely) but they don't give a toss. How you can counter what is happening is beyond any rational thought because no one who can exert any influence seems to give a toss. I did have a rare smile when I read somewhere that PPRUNE s causing some to get concerned. Hello, where have they been while this orchestrated outcome has been evolving for all to see. Since when do investors don't care about strategy risk, management integrity and blatant lies. They need to pull their heads out of the sand or wherever they have them stuck. When the final game is played there is not a soul here who could not see it coming saving for Ken. Hang on to your hats and coats because this is going to be a wild ride which no one but a few bonus driven individuals want. |
Qantas to ground some US flights
Qantas to ground some US flights
It's all leaking out, ...... again Qantas to ground some US flights QANTAS is expected to axe flights between Los Angeles and New York as part of cuts to its route network aimed at stemming losses from its international operations. As the outcome of a wide-ranging review looms, services between the US's east and west coasts are believed to be the most likely to be ditched while the jury remains out on whether Qantas will stop flying to Buenos Aires, Honolulu and Mumbai. However, Qantas is believed likely to cease services between Auckland and Los Angeles, and be replaced by Jetstar on the route. Advertisement: Story continues below Although Jetstar, Qantas' budget subsidiary, has flown to Hawaii for the past five years, it has long toyed with plans to fly to the US mainland. San Francisco has been touted previously as a destination for Jetstar, but taking over from Qantas on the Auckland-Los Angeles route is considered the most likely option. Speculation has been mounting about the likely cuts, but insiders say the network review to be announced on August 24 as part of a four-pronged strategy to turnaround Qantas's international operations will not be as dramatic as predicted. ''It's more surgical than widespread,'' one said of the route cuts. Top of the list of services to be axed are those between Los Angeles and New York. Qantas has long struggled to make those flights using Airbus A330s profitable because of insufficient through traffic. Should the route be axed, Qantas's alliance partner, American Airlines, would provide connecting flights between Los Angeles and New York. The airlines are awaiting regulatory approval to deepen their alliance on the trans-Pacific route. Flights to Argentina and India could also be axed, but it is considered unlikely Qantas will shelve services to Johannesburg because the route has been profitable. The airline is also unlikely to want to give up its duopoly with South African Airways on direct flights between Australia and Johannesburg. Competition on the route was lessened last year when Virgin ditched flights between Melbourne and Johannesburg because of the large losses it was incurring. Qantas declined to comment on the routes likely to be axed. "No decisions have been taken about individual routes and any suggestion otherwise is speculation," a spokesman said. |
AKL/LAX to JQ would not be a surprise at all.
HNL is making money I believe but I am sure it will go so JQ can increase thier services. Pulling out of EZE would be such a backward step. India will go for sure. JFK - hmm. Big call to make - obviously a lot of J cabin is not being filled. I guess the corporates won't be happy travelling on AA's product thats for sure. Pulling out of JFK alltogether would be a huge city to take off the network - United would be rubbing thier hands together. |
Drop Mumbai !!
Yep, thats what any forward thinker would do. Drop services to the second fastest growing economy in the world !
Numpties! : |
Not much left for the smartest guys in the room to chop. Either way, they have effectively ringed barked the qantas tree.
People being left behind in jfk the last few days due to aircraft being chockers. |
Flight Ops briefing 2 weeks ago said JFK ops profitable!:rolleyes:
Last 2 flights I did were chockers!:ugh: |
sadly 'real' numbers have nothing to do with this whole matter.
.....just another excuse to add another orange star into the Pacific night sky :yuk: AT |
Look at it from another angle, the 767 fleet is only getting smaller and its a pathetic offering for business class pax domestically.
The international config A330's that are deployed on the terribly loss making full services will more then likely be redeployed to backfill the retirement of the 767. Seeing as there is only 2 widebody aircraft to be delivered to the loss making legacy arm of the carrier until the magical jetstar receives the first 15/20/45 787's. By 2014 the domestic fleet will more then likely be 20 a330's, half dozen 767s and 738's. But why let the truth get in the way of a good story, especially when you can spin around a total lack of investment in your core business to look like its your staffs own fault. Or as a manager would put it 'leveraging synergies to facilitate workplace change'. Lucky we have ':yuk:insiders:yuk:' to drip feed the media to keep it a headline along with a quick reply for :yuk:Qantas:yuk: saying its only speculation nothing is confirmed. Read between the lines and don't fall for their narrative of how they want to world to remember their failures. |
It wouldn't surprise me if they axed JFK when the flights are full.
SFO was axed and only 1 week before they shut they were still deny boarding 8 commercial J/C pax due to oversale and on the last couple of flights ex SYD no staffies could get on due to it being chockers. A mate of mine told me that their loads were up 1000 pax for the month of april 2011 compared to April 2010. Yeap, if NY flights are full it would seem a good time to go ahead and can the route!:ugh: |
Interesting, in 2008 Qantas turned a NET profit of $969 million.
Jetstar at the time had 24 Airbus A320's and 6 A330's (gifted by Qantas) 30 aircraft total. Since then Jetstar has received a further 34 A320's, 6 A321's and 3 A330's making a total aircraft fleet of 73. Effectively Jetstar has more than double their fleet. Jetstar has taken over routes from Qantas which in turn has handed valued customers to opposition companies who provide SERVICE. Now Qantas managers tell the world that after doubling the Jetstar fleet and nearly halving the 2008 profit, Jetstar is the profitable arm of Qantas. Good luck with that! No wonder Walsh and other airline CEO's around the world are scratching their heads and having a good laugh at AJ and BB. I'm curious to know how you make money from a low cost A330 from AKL to LAX when you can't make it from the same aircraft full cost? Hilarious, well not really, I feel absolutely guttered for you guys at Qantas, and I'm a kiwi! I look forward to seeing how BB plans to get pilots to fly his aircraft in Asia when Asian airlines are paying big money to attract ex-pats. Do these guys think before they act? Very sad indeed. Unfortunately these guys are on a mission and can't be stopped, when the company has gone tits up, they'll have their bonuses and will be reeking havoc on another unfortunate company with their hideous ideas. It's almost a huge dick swing. I think they have been told by so many people this can't and won't work that they are hell bent on making it. |
Geoffrey Thomas today reporting that Sydney-Santiago is one of the routes on the chopping block...hey Geoffrey if you are reading this do your homework douche...QF don't fly it, apart from a codeshare with LAN via AKL...
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The leaks have started.
It appears Sir Humphrey Appleby was wrong - the ship of state is not the only ship that leaks from the top. |
Do you people not understand? Of course they have to chop the profitable routes. The whole point of the exercise is to make mainline unsustainable. At all costs, it must be made to look like Jetstar is the saviour.
Unfortunately, uneducated silly staff need to grasp this concept, be a part of it, bend over, and see how the best managers aviation has ever seen get on with taking over the world. We will probably get a pair of orange colored glasses instead of a bonus or staff travel voucher this year. Then it will all make sense to all the non believers. |
It seems to me the fear campaign is working , they have you guys spooked !
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I couldn't agree more!! They are dismantling a perfectly good international business right before our eyes!..Do these people really think we're stupid??
But what I find shocking in all of this , is that the board, shareholders and the Australian people are letting them get away with it in favour of some low cost subsidiary, that wouldn't have a cak in chance of surviving without its 'mother'!!!.. must be true what they say.."Bullsh*t Baffles Brains!!!!":ugh: |
Premonition...
Most 744's retired. J* aircraft fitted with Skybeds SYD-BKK-LHR goes to J* LHR-HKG cancelled BA cancelled AKL-LAX goes to J* Frankfurt goes to J* J* Athens and Rome Only destinations for QF - LHR via SIN, LAX and JNB Lets hope it doesn't happen :mad: |
I hear from a certain national air freight manager.
Qantas A380 orders #13 to #20 are going to Qantas Asia. Very difficult to digest for QF staff. Good luck with the PIA. |
perfectly good international business |
That's easy:
1. Get decent and honest management. 2. Make Jetstar pay their own bills. 3. Stop paying fines for illegal cartels. 4. Engage staff and not treat them like lepers. The rest is a piece of cake. |
I might have overheard today that all QF operations to Europe will be through SIN. Keeping HKG as a destination but the only through-connections to Europe from there will be codeshares on BA. BKK to be BA codeshare only.
Also might have heard that the SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD route will become SYD-LAX-DFW-LAX-SYD because of the range issues on the DFW-BNE they are experiencing. Going to SYD-DFW-SYD when QF get their hands on an aircraft that can do it reliably. Not too sure how this one will be operated. Whether the operation to JFK will change to DFW with with QF7/8 cancelled, whether QF7/8 are routed via LAX with other routes unchanged, whether one of the aircraft that currently lays over in LAX during the day will make the round trip to DFW, I don't which. This is just what I may have overheard today. I can't say for sure whether it's true. Although it does sound for sure that QF are pissed at the issues with DFW-BNE and will operate the SYD-DFW-SYD route via some non-Australian port in both directions. That part I am certain about. |
Noticed in the ops 1 NOTAM's the other day that Athens and Rome are now classified as MAINS!
So Qantas pay all the money to establish all the operating criteria in order for the airline to operate into it. Qantas mainline will never operate there. Its obvious they will gift the route to Jetstar. If not them, then Qantasia. Its a messed up situation that QF are in. Joyce and the board will hopefully come unstuck one day. Karma has a place in this world. |
Yep, the little fella is going to get a lot of karma.
Problem is it will be jet airliner full of passengers. Will the millions help him and the A team sleep at night? |
If ButFli is correct about all Europe flying through Singapore, it would not take a huge leap of imagination to see those routes becoming QantAsia.
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That's easy: 1. Get decent and honest management. 2. Make Jetstar pay their own bills. 3. Stop paying fines for illegal cartels. 4. Engage staff and not treat them like lepers. The rest is a piece of cake. |
They are not unhappy with DFW-BNE.It has a better result of less diversions than LAX-MEL has had for the same period.The Irishman said the same a week or 2 ago.
Last week there was a 27 man delegation from Texas who visited both BNE and SYD and included DFW CEO who stated that BNE was receiving around 120 pax a flight and SYD around the 180 pax a flight. He wouldnt have visited BNE if they were to pull the plug. |
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