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I get the impression that the rationale is arriving aircraft are noisier than departing aircraft, and more people live west and south of the airport than north and east.
06 landings are no great loss, they require more track miles unless inbound through WAVES, which is usually only intl heavies. 24 departures wold save a few miles if outbound through GURAK or WAVES but not much, especially when you look at how convoluted the GURAK SIDs are. |
Move PEA to Garden Is. They can have all the airspace they want to the SW.
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Off topic . . .
Today after some wandering ducks were herded off runway 03, one of our witty Perth Tower lads cleared a QF for takeoff with the proviso, "caution drake turbulence".
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Nautilus, with respect, all arrivals from KA, PD, and BRM to name a few were usually on RW06, and this isn't about a few extra track miles, it's about 5-20 min delays, which I should add are on top of the 5-45 min COBT delays.
Regarding 24 departures, GURAK SID is only convoluted when the RAAF are open for business and even then it is very rare to do the full procedure, once again I am sure most operators would happily accept a few extra miles over COBT delays followed by 20 mins taxi. |
flyingfox ,
Today after some wandering ducks were herded off runway 03, one of our witty Perth Tower lads cleared a QF for takeoff with the proviso, "caution drake turbulence". |
" you're in the far queue" |
Nautilus, with respect, all arrivals from KA, PD, and BRM to name a few were usually on RW06, and this isn't about a few extra track miles, it's about 5-20 min delays, which I should add are on top of the 5-45 min COBT delays. Regarding 24 departures, GURAK SID is only convoluted when the RAAF are open for business and even then it is very rare to do the full procedure, once again I am sure most operators would happily accept a few extra miles over COBT delays followed by 20 mins taxi. Using 24 and 21 for departures in theory would increase departure rate, but how much effect would that have on arrivals? In practice, it wouldn't actually increase departure rates anyway. Departure rates are throttled because TWR can fire aircraft off one RWY faster than we can deal with them, primarily because they are not sorted in any way (eg Dash-8D launched 3 miles behind a F50 on the same SID :ugh:) Ideally you would have all GURAK departures off 24 to turn right, and all others off 21 to turn left (I don't know if that would create taxi issues) but if the departures weren't sorted it wouldn't really help. |
AIP SUP H113/13 indicates preferred exits for runway occupancy. If this publication is issued by Air Services to help improve the flow is there no accountability to Perth Airport to build appropriate high speed exits.
Townsville Refueller via the Hobart Refueller has advised there is talk of a Staff Car Park being built .. is there any further info?. Are the days of squeezing onto the bandaid solution bus with pax coming to an end?. |
Just nudge a few of the muddaboiks out the way, only a short walk to the terminal than.
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From what I hear, the construction of RETs will start imminently. No joke:ok:
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Perth Airport is also committed to building high-speed taxiways off the airport's main and secondary cross runways. Yawn. |
No, it's true, Perth airport is committed to building high speed exits............ just as soon as they can find someone else to pay for them
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Spot on bleed fault, apparently the Cat 2/3 approach capability is dependant on a lotto win.
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From The West today:
Congestion drives need for runway Geoffrey Thomas Aviation Editor, The West Australian November 4, 2013, 5:22 am Perth Airport has all but committed to building another runway to handle record growth that delivered a thumping $267 million profit in the past financial year. At its annual stakeholder event, Perth Airport chief executive Brad Geatches said a business case for a runway would be presented to the board next year. "We have determined that we need a third runway by the end of the decade to cater for the increasing demand," he said. In his review to shareholders, Perth Airport chairman David Crawford said "there was an emerging consensus among aviation industry stakeholders that investment in the third runway should be brought forward". Mr Geatches put the cost of the runway at $400 million - well down from original estimates of $900 million touted two years ago. Perth Airport's cross-runways are at capacity almost 70 per cent of the time from Tuesday to Thursday from 5am to 9pm. Delays for landing are extensive, particularly during wet weather. The congestion requires many planes to be held on the ground at the originating airport, with ground delays of at least 30 minutes not uncommon. At the stakeholder event on Thursday night, Mr Crawford said the airport's $750 million investment in terminal infrastructure was fully committed, with four major terminal projects completed or under way. T2 opened this year and the first stage of the upgrade of T1 - the international terminal - would open this month. The Virgin Australia domestic pier will open about August. Last year, the airport recorded a 7.8 per cent jump in international passengers and an 8.3 per cent rise in domestic passengers. The growth has outpaced all other Australian airports for the past seven years. These numbers, along with significant increases in cargo and charter operations, drove a 30 per cent increase in aeronautical charges to $162 million. |
Mr Geatches put the cost of the runway at $400 million - well down from original estimates of $900 million touted two years ago. A huge reversal from Geatches. Only two years ago he said that the runway was not needed until after 2025. So if they commit to the build next year, it could be operational by 2018 I would have thought, possibly 2019 with "slippage". Did anyone ask him why the new taxiways off 03/21 are at 90 degrees? |
I can't help myself ... but I just enjoy perth airport so much.
The new international arrivals ... outstanding .. more customs desks (although still unstaffed however I was told at the coffee shop on day one it was fully stocked). More smart gates - great work although NZ and UK citizens can also use so no help really in Perth. Duty free has changed hands to JR and is all new. But my favourite - all this good work (it really is) still boils down to one customs staff member to direct you out the front door or to quarantine ... the backlog begins - and still no crew lane. It's like building a new taxiway , but at 90 degrees to the main runway.:ugh: |
I hear you MSC, and to add insult to injury, the staff discount for duty free grog has dropped from 20% to 15%! ;-)
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Is it my imagination, but as regular SLF through here, has on-time performance improved in the latter half of this year? We are just not copping all the delays we had under the previous traffic control regime--early days didn't seem to improve things at all, working more smoothly now? On a side note, I enjoy telling fellow travellers leaving the Pilbara end what time we are likely to be loading--they don't know what COBT on the whiteboard behind the counter means;)
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I just hope they fix this walking-down-the-steps-to-board-the-plane crap at the International Terminal.
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Bit precious perhaps?
After all, PH is the bogan capitol of the world!! |
It's all happening...
Cheaper third runway and now this! :D
Airport lifts on-time rankings Geoffrey Thomas Aviation Editor, The West Australian November 22, 2013, 6:23 am Perth Airport leapt to the top of the on-time performance rankings for Australia's capital city airports in October, as Tiger Airways and Jetstar struggled. In a remarkable turnaround, the airport's on-time arrival efficiency has jumped from one of the worst capital city airports in August to the best, with 82 per cent of flights arriving on time. Departures were also the best, at 86.3 per cent on time. Tiger and Jetstar's performance was well below the average, with only 53.5 per cent and 55.2 per cent of flights respectively leaving on time. The two airlines' arrival performances in Perth were slightly better. The data compiled by the Bureau of Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Economics covers domestic routes with an average of 8000 or more passengers a month over the previous six months and where two or more airlines operated in competition. It does not cover fly-in, fly-out routes. The data showed Qantas and QantasLink had the best on-time performance in the country and to and from Perth. More than 90 per cent of Qantas flights and 93 per cent of QantasLink flights left on time. Although 89.8 per cent of Virgin Australia's flights left on time, only 70 per cent arrived on time. Perth Airport dominated the best performing routes, with seven of the top 10 for departures and arrivals involving Perth. The performance is significant given the cross runway is closed for repairs. Also, from Tuesday to Thursday the airport is at or near capacity for 65 per cent of the time between 5am and 9pm. In March, Perth introduced a schedule co-ordination system and the departure performance improved significantly. Perth Airport chief executive Brad Geatches said he was pleased with the October report. "We acknowledge improved weather in October contributed to these results along with the impact of the schedule co-ordination system, which has helped operational efficiency," he said. |
Yep,and still no indication of when/if they will install CAT 2/3 capability to the second most remote aerodrome on the planet.:ugh:
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By golly, it is all happening...
Airport finds what goes around comes around
The West Australian Geoffrey Thomas, Aviation Editor The West Australian November 20, 2013, 10:30 am Airport finds what goes around comes around Perth Airport is experiencing a higher than usual go-around rate due to the very strong easterly winds and the closure for repairs of the cross runway. According to air traffic controllers, the missed approach or go-around rate for Perth, which is the highest of any capital city, has increased significantly because of the runway closure for repairs. The airport was forced to close runway 06/24 – which runs north-east/south-west - for repairs in August and it will not reopen till March. Pilots perform a missed approach if their plane is unstable because of strong cross winds or severe turbulence and wind shear. In summer, the airport is sometimes impacted by strong winds off the Darling Range, which acts a little like a rock in a stream, and the wind tumbles off the hills, creating wind shear. Pilots are also forced to perform missed approaches if the plane ahead of them doesn’t exit the runway quickly enough. To see a video of a missed approach in Perth click here: Airline Ratings Perth Airport does not have any high speed taxiways and pilots sometimes must bring their planes almost to a stop before turning off the runway. However a report conducted by British air traffic controller NATS found that some locals pilots were too slow to get off the runway. The airport and Airservices, Australia’s air traffic control provider, are working on a number of initiatives to increase the efficiency of the runways. For the passengers a missed approach can be dramatic with the pilot applying maximum power – often greater than take-off power to exit the area. The procedures and route for a missed approach are briefed prior to the approach to land so everyone knows exactly what to do. Air traffic control then vectors the pilots to a fresh approach. Sometimes the pilots are too busy with air traffic control to advise passengers of the reason for the missed approach. |
Would it be fair to say that on top of everything else, the long RWY at PH is not in an optimal direction?
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The direction of the long RWY [03-21] is not too bad from the terrain perspective, but the airport really needs the 06-24 cross runway as well for the strong morning easterlies and strong afternoon westerlies. The terrain advantage of 03-21 is that the approaches are over flat land, whereas 06-24 points at the Perth Hills.
The wind roses below show the pattern. The dark brown colour - not doubt chosen by the meteorologist to represent the pucker factor - are winds in excess of 30 kph (16.7 knots); the length of the dark brown is proportional to the percent of time that it is at that strength and direction. 3pm summer is not too bad, but 9am/3pm winter and 9am summer show why the cross-wind on 03-21 can be a problem. http://profemery.info/009021-9amWinter.jpg http://profemery.info/009021-3pmWinter.jpg http://profemery.info/009021-9amSummer.jpg http://profemery.info/009021-3pmSummer.jpg |
I can confirm the 20% discount is still applied at JR Duty Free.
New duty free has a tiled floor - 24 hr security on hand , once you step onto the tiles you cannot step back onto the carpet. Issued with a aus red asic I am told that I had to go the long way around to fetch something I had left in the aircraft ie through customs , security again.:mad::ugh::\ are you $^*#&%@ serious! |
OverRun - thanks for that, very interesting.
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Now Ronnie wants some of the action...
Pearce proposed as relief airport
EXCLUSIVE Geoffrey Thomas Aviation Editor, The West Australian, February 4, 2014, 2:40 am The Defence Department is considering letting airlines use RAAF Base Pearce at Bullsbrook as an alternative airport to Perth to ease midweek congestion. Sources in Sydney and Canberra say senior executives of at least two Perth Airport-based airlines visited Pearce late last year to inspect the base's facilities. Perth Airport is overstretched with almost 70 per cent of its landing slots filled. At critical times - between 5am and 9pm from Tuesday to Thursday - there are no free landing slots or very few. But a Defence spokesman denied the report, saying there were no plans to turn Pearce into a commercial airport. One airline executive told "The West Australian" the Pearce option "was very interesting because of its proximity to the northern suburbs". Another said the proposal was fascinating because of congestion at Perth Airport. Perth Airport is currently working with Qantas and Virgin Australia - its two biggest customers - on a business plan for a second parallel runway. The airport has two runways but they cross and cannot be used concurrently, only alternatively and then only in certain wind conditions. The State Government has pressed the airport to fast-track another runway since late 2012, when it promised a go-ahead by April last year. Perth Airport has spent the past nine months refining a plan for the runway with air traffic controller Airservices Australia and airlines, with a final business plan expected to be agreed soon. But it will be at least four years before the runway is operational because a two-year environment study is needed. And pressure continues to mount on the airport's infrastructure despite the mining slowdown. For the six months to December 31 last year, passenger numbers through Perth increased 2 per cent to 7.12 million, with a record 400,290 using the international terminal in December. There are now four peak periods at the airport midweek - early morning, late morning, early afternoon and late afternoon-evening - when it cannot handle any more landings and limited departures. Changing take-off times to off-peak is not possible for airlines that support resources companies because of the need for their planes to get two rotations a day to mine sites. Last year, it was estimated congestion at Perth Airport was costing airlines $24 million in wasted fuel and related costs. Perth Airport has experienced extraordinary passenger growth - an average of 9 per cent a year since 1963. This is about twice the world average. |
But it will be at least four years before the runway is operational because a two-year environment study is needed. |
But a Defence spokesman denied the report, saying there were no plans to turn Pearce into a commercial airport. Move all the bugsmashers to Pearce, build a decent rail line that starts at least somewhere around the CBD, problem solvered. But no, this is WA, we'll keep putting bandaids on the existing one (worst airport in Australia) . |
I consider using Pearce is the bandaid. Can you imagine the traffic going up the GN highway? Put in a third runway and be done with it.
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Problem is all the PEA STAR's track over PH, so its a bandaid without the sticky bit.
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all the PEA STAR's track over PH |
No more Foggles!
Systems Upgrade Should Beat Airport Fog
Thw West Australian, 21 June 2014 Geoffrey Thomas, Aviation Editor Perth Airport will significantly upgrade its aircraft instrument landing system over the next 12 months, which should almost eliminate delays caused by fog. Yesterday, the airport confirmed to The Weekend West that talks with airlines and Airservices Australia were at an advanced stage. The announcement came after a day of chaos at the airport, with the travel plans of thousands disrupted when fog blanketed Perth Airport for more than six hours. About 45 flights were delayed or diverted, some as far as Adelaide, because of customs and immigration requirements, setting in motion knock-on delays of at least 24 hours for many passengers. The fog started rolling in at 9.30pm on Thursday and lifted about 5.20am yesterday. Perth Airport has a CAT 1 instrument landing system. Under CAT 1, pilots must be able to see the runway from a height of 61m with forward visibility of 800m. The CAT 3b system to be installed reduces that visibility height to just 15m and forward visibility to only 75m, almost eliminating diversions. Most international and many domestic aircraft are capable of CAT3b operations, if the airport is equipped. |
Most international and many domestic aircraft are capable of CAT3b operations, if the airport is equipped. Once it's equipped, it's capable... :ugh: |
Master Plan 2014
The page is there with a link, which does not work, how funny. PS The NEW master plan this week, not like the other pretender master plans of previous times.;) This one seems to work http://www.perthairport.com.au/Libra...0614.sflb.ashx |
They should build a completely new airport well to the south (before all the land is built on) with independent parallel runways, less weather impact, freeway access already in place, optimal runway direction ahead of time.
They (WA) can afford it. Leave YPPH for FIFO, GA and private. |
Anyone heard any rumours about the WA government looking for TWO new airport sites? Possibly one for regional flights, another for international. Not sure where YPPH and YPJT fit into the scheme of things, especially with the new runway plan at JT.
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Like this rumour reported on the ABC?
WA Government appeals to private sector in search for new Perth airport sites - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) |
That's the one. I'd heard earlier in the day it was going to be reported (I wasn't sure if it was true or not) hence asking if anyone else had heard. Looks like it's a long way off.
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