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ANCPER
Who says your "facts" are better than ranmar's? |
ANCPER--I did acknowledge that oil and gas required lower levels of manning, and it is the CONSTRUCTION phases of those projects that require high levels of manning. But support industries for oil and gas, particularly offshore facilities, add manning, which you do not seem to be taking into account. Iron Ore is the big employer in WA mining, bums on aircraft seats, as a sizeable proportion of the workforce is FIFO, and will continue to be so. There often seems to be a lot of anti-mining sentiment on this forum:confused: How many pilot jobs in Skywest/Virgin, Network, Alliance and Skippers wouldn't exist if there were no FIFO charters? Let alone the Interstate/Intrastate RPT capacity used as well? Your perspective may be a little different if you were watching around A$10 million worth of product leave your site on trains every day.:ok:
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I hear Qantas is opening an A330 Pilot base in Perth...
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Having been through umpteen construction production cycles since the first big one last century in 66, as night follows day, construction = busy chaos, production = significant reduction in traffic.
FIFO which is charter category goes away and is replaced by the higher standard Airline/RPT. |
It is all happening...isn't it?
From The West today:
Geoffrey Thomas, Aviation Editor, The West Australian Perth Airport set a record for passenger numbers last month when 1.24 million people took to the skies, indicating economic conditions are on the rise again. The record is a 17 per cent jump on the previous month and almost 5 per cent above the same month last year. Plane movements, at 13,265, were the second highest on record. Airline traffic is the leading economic indicator of the health of an economy and just as WA remained resilient in the global financial crisis of 2008-09, it appears the State's economy has shrugged off the Australian downturn. The figures do not include all passengers using the Skippers Aviation, Maroomba Airlines, Cobham and Network Aviation terminals which could number 80,000 travellers month. Perth Airport has enjoyed an extraordinary growth average of 9 per cent a year since 1960. The resurgence of passenger traffic underscores the need for a third runway to meet business generated not only by the resources sector, but also the continued heavy demand for holiday travel interstate and overseas. Last month, Perth Airport announced fast-tracked negotiations with airlines over the third runway, which will cost about $480 million. Commenting on a fall in passenger traffic in the first half of this year, airport chief executive Brad Geatches said the "growth rates do not alter Perth Airport's redevelopment plans". "Our view is that the third runway project should proceed without delay," he said. "For long lead infrastructure, it is necessary to look through the cycle to ensure capacity is available when it is needed." A final proposal on a runway parallel to the main one should be presented to airlines within two months. The airport has two runways that cross and cannot be used simultaneously, though they are used alternately in the right wind conditions. A third parallel runway would virtually eliminate delays and future-proof the airport, Mr Geatches said. In the interim, Perth Airport is implementing recommendations from a report by Britain's air traffic control provider. These changes combined with improvements by Airservices Australia will make traffic flows and runway throughput more efficient. Last year, Airservices said that only a 50 per cent increase in runway capacity would solve the airport's peak needs. The airport is virtually at peak capacity between 5.15am and 7am Monday to Thursday. The third runway project should proceed without delay." Perth Airport chief executive Brad Geatches |
WAC has changed their tune! Always claimed it wasn't necessary for an extra runway. They must be after someone elses money! Why not start with a shorter version of the proposed parallel runway which is suitable for turboprops or medium weight jets. Must have ILS approaches though. Perth fails completely when clouds arrive.
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FULL use of the two runways they've got would be a good place to start!!!!!
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For the umpteenth time, the issue causing the most significant delays for Perth isn't runway capacity, it's airspace capacity.
That said, a parallel would at least assist in sequencing departing traffic to minimise the delays caused by the airspace capacity issues. |
the issue causing the most significant delays for Perth isn't runway capacity, it's airspace capacity For arrivals it is a question of runway capacity because we can process/stream aircraft faster than the TWR can land them. For example 03 ILS's arrival rate is about 17/hour. At that rate approach will only have about 4 aircraft on frequency at time. Without sorting the departures, parallel runways would probably make departures worse because often the aircraft on the left runway would need to turn right and vice versa. |
Anyone know what the story is with the pavement failure on 06/24?
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It's all happening on Thursday: the whinger with the super-sensitive hearing has just condemned the environment to an extra 20kg of fuel burn for every Julim Star arrival onto 03; 4 extra track miles so we can fly over his house at 10,000ft at Idle instead of 9000ft...
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer
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Anyone know what the story is with the pavement failure on 06/24?
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06/24 always seems to have failing pavement. Didn't they improve that end of it not so long ago? :\
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GT
I see with GT's PR press release for WAC that the new rwy will be to the east of Horrie Miller and Coles/Wollies. That will be interesting. The residents of Forrestfield may object to having a rwy well within a km of their homes as well as the environmental concerns that will surface with the swamp to the northern end. Maybe that's what they want, a long unwinnable pseudo fight.
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Is that the swamp where the miniature green back sweet lip orange blooming frog lives? Best of luck getting that past the greenies.:ugh:
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The residents of Forrestfield may object to having a rwy well within a km of their homes |
Could the damage be due to the A330s landing on 24 coming to a screaming halt to get off at twyA for QF or J for VA. It seems they may save further damage to get them all to roll to the end or land on 03/21.
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Originally Posted by RU/16
Could the damage be due to the A330s landing on 24 coming to a screaming halt to get off at twyA for QF or J for VA.
Perhaps they don't have many pax on board? |
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The residents of Forrestfield may object to having a rwy well within a km of their homes People in Forrestfield also have the marshalling yards between them and the airport. Anyway, the ANEP contours would show little "side" noise surely? |
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With the utmost respect to the oxygen thieves at Air noServices Australia, what exactly is an ANEI? EG In relation to decibels?
Also I wonder how the residents of say, North Welshpool, feel about having no aircraft noise when around 25 bugsmashers would fly over them at 1000', in 2 hours of a morning? |
The residents of Forrestfield may object to having a rwy well within a km of their homes |
Could the damage be due to the A330s landing on 24 coming to a screaming halt to get off at twyA for QF or J for VA. It seems they may save further damage to get them all to roll to the end or land on 03/21. Not braking in this case. The problem is structural and weakness down through the depth, exacerbated by the increase in traffic on 06/24 over the last 10 years. Plus planning ahead to cope with the expected traffic on the runway over the next 20-30 years. 03/21 is a lot stronger. The heavy braking issue would manifest itself in surfacing damage (not the case here). The “roll-through” is very popular at regional airports where an old runway designed for the DC-3/F27 has had its ends beefed up to let today’s 737s/F100s turn around; the pavement load is a lot less when rolling along in a straight line at 25 knots than when turning (and again this is not the case here). |
The whole private ownership thing is a fraud and a national disgrace.
Pigs might fly, but the Feds need to take them all back Not holding my breath for the fourth runway. |
Given the predominantly easterly wind in Perth, folks in Forrestfield will notice it even less. Not holding my breath for the fourth runway. |
Done Whiskey would for a lo I the corporates and smaller FIFO. :ok:
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The swamp in question is actually the last stand for the short-necked western swamp turtle. Since the Swan Coastal Plains were drained to increase the land available for urban and agricultural uses, most of the lakes and ephemeral swamps have disappeared. The paperbark trees still standing on the remaining uncleared airport land are vanishing remnants of those wetter times. 'Swamp' is by it's nature a misleading term which may suggest 'slimy mud holes' to some viewers. In fact the swamps were filled with crystal clear water and many fish and animals. The permanent lakes were much larger and deeper than today. We've lost so many native animals, reptiles, birds, marsupials etc. that it is probably not unreasonable that provision is made to continuing protection of these turtles/tortoises. Federal airports used to be amazing wildlife refuges with their remnant native vegetation remaining mainly intact. The bushland with it's 'soft' textures also provided considerable mitigation for aircraft noise. Since privatisation this land has been a source of riches for the airport companies who mainly see aviation as a side kick to property development. I'm sure the second runway, the turtle thingys and even the rumoured 'sweet lipped froggies' should be able to reach a working relationship!
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How do you think the rwy will fit in if stuck further sth re a/c access etc, otherwise I would have thought the swamp is long gone.
Are you the same FF @ MB? |
Federal airports used to be amazing wildlife refuges with their remnant native vegetation remaining mainly intact. |
Lets not forget the very same "green" outlook on life being used as a reason not to make use of the perfectly functional (and no doubt expensive) HIAL on 03; Trees obscuring the lights, can't cut down trees due to the impact to the wildlife.
So the most remote capital city airport in the world now has a single runway, HIAL on one end only, CAT1 ILS's, alternates that fill up whenever 3 or 4 jets divert and no sign of any improvement in sight. Plenty of car spots though, and most of them making it easy to "find 30" :ugh: Welcome to the third world...... |
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I still think the parallel runway should be only of the 2000 meter category to cater for regional types, rather than a full duplicate runway. As mentioned, airspace issues are a major problem. If Pearce airspace is kept low enough for permanent overfly by approaching aircraft, life would be easier. Pearce really needs to be shut down. And the trees surrounding the 03 HIAL need to be pruned or the lights raised.
BLOGGS - Maybe a new pond for swans and tortoises could be a feature of future terminal buildings! I do wonder though whether the swans might not eat the tortoises? ANCPER - I don't know where exactly the tortoise swamp is. Near the southern end somewhere. I'm not the FF@MB. |
Pearce really needs to be shut down. |
And Icarus, add to that Perth is the only airport in the world I've flown into that actually goes out of its way to make a runway with tailwind the duty runway, and you would have 21 as the most used runway I would think.
WRT Pearce, I could never understand why they couldn't fly at low level (as RAAF pilots like to do) up north or down south. No, much better to have commercial aircraft flying 1000s of extra miles so that a handful of single engine light aircraft, most of which are not even our own, are not inconvenienced. Joint user airports the world over don't have half the hassles of Perth /Pearce |
Pearce
The Peace traffic should fly low level out to a reasonable distance to clear Perth Apt airspace.
Meanwhile start building new facilities up at Gin Gin and eventually move away from Bulls Brook. It's all about planning! |
add to that Perth is the only airport in the world I've flown into that actually goes out of its way to make a runway with tailwind the duty runway, and you would have 21 as the most used runway I would think Re PEA airspace, F150 over the aerodrome does seem a little greedy. However the only proposed movement with regard to their airspace I've heard in years was they wanted more (higher around Bindoon). |
Quite correct Nautilus, but the noise abatement in Perth is political, a bit like the reason back around 2004, RW06 mysteriously became unsuitable as a regular landing runway and to my knowledge, 24 has never been used for departures except in extreme weather.
Everybody in Perth is subject to aircraft noise equally, it's just that some folk are a lot more equal than others ;) |
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