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Road congestion.
Another great example of WAC not spending money on infrastructure is the intersection of Fauntleroy Ave. and Valentine Rd. (Bungana Ave.) This intersection can be a major holdup for people using the services of mining carriers along Valentine Road. At busy periods the traffic chaos here is laughable. The stream of private cars and taxis leaving the terminals cop the worst of it, with cars backed up for 600 metres waiting to leave the airport. With just a stopsign and a busy Fauntleroy Ave. the escape rate is low. A simple round-about could greatly assist the problem. Any action from WAC after years of this problem? Course not!! The issue of turning arrows where Fauntleroy Ave. meets Great Eastern Highway could be addressed by WAC in conjunction with Main Roads. Any action from WAC? Course not! They don't give a stuff. Only real estate deals get any attention from them without Government intervention. The occurrence of a head on collision of vehicles driven by desperate drivers looking for a gap in the oncomming traffic is only a matter of time. No doubt the announcement of the new terminal being ready in a few years time will be the excuse for further 'no action'. I note aviation 'expert' journo GT doesn't ever write articles about congestion at the airport. He just issues the PR press releases for WAC. The only infrastructure WAC has built along Valentine Rd. is cash-cow parking areas.
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I was talking to an airport engineer recently and he thought that Taxiway "C" could be converted into a parallel runway for F100/Bae146 and below aircraft without too much trouble. Surely that would solve the 2,2,3 minute landing limitation and ease departure queues?
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Troy's Da Man!
Third runway is five years away
Geoffrey Thomas Aviation Editor, The West Australian November 23, 2012, 4:57 am Perth Airport has assured the State Government that it is working towards having a third runway operational by late 2017 to future-proof the State's economic development. Treasurer and Transport Minister Troy Buswell said yesterday he had a constructive meeting with airport chairman David Crawford and chief executive Brad Geatches about building a third runway. "We now have a timeline and clear performance checkpoints for us to monitor the progress of this runway," Mr Buswell said. Mr Geatches agreed that the meeting had been constructive. "Perth Airport is proceeding on a path of design and consultation that would, subject to agreements and approvals, see the third runway delivered by the end of 2017, at the earliest," Mr Geatches said. Last month, Mr Buswell warned that if the airport did not fast-track the additional runway, the State's development would be impeded. Over the past five years, passenger numbers through Perth Airport have grown 40 per cent to 12.6 million last year. Plane movements climbed at a similar rate. In its 2009 master plan the airport said it did not need to build a third - and second parallel - runway until 2029. "This is a significant bringing-forward of its plans," Mr Buswell said. But Mr Buswell warned that as part of the process, it was essential that the airport and Airservices Australia adopt every measure available to reduce the area impacted by plane noise. Some estimates suggest that a reduction of 30 to 40 per cent or better of the area affected by noise can be achieved by adopting world best practices. "This is extremely important and everything should be done to cut the noise," said Mr Buswell. He said the airport would have concluded preliminary negotiations on the project with airlines by April. It would then spend $60 million on a two-year regulatory approval process that would include the environmental impact. If approvals were received, construction would start in 2015 after approval from the airlines. Last week Federal Transport Minister Anthony Albanese said he had made it known to Perth Airport that there was a need for more runway capacity. |
I note that Geatches' "we can build the third runway in five years" has now changed to "third runway delivered at the end of 2017, AT THE EARLIEST".
Frankly, I'll run naked down St George's Tce if they get the damn thing built in less than ten years. |
Well, whenever it's built it wont be anything like one of those flash new Irish runways Melbourne is getting:
"The east-west runway will be 3 kilometres long, 60 kilometres wide and 2 kilometres south of the current east-west runway." Baillieu backs third runway - Yahoo!7 News |
"Perth Airport is proceeding on a path of design and consultation that would, subject to agreements and approvals, see the third runway delivered by the end of 2017, at the earliest," Mr Geatches said. |
$60 million on a 2 year regulatory/environment approval process?
How do these fckwits say that with a straight face?:mad: |
The need is now, not five years away. Start building the b!@@$* thing!
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Can't wait to see the magic that WAC makes when they take over the Departure Management Program. That will be living the dream....
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It's all happening!
Glossy aviation liftout in The West today.
The market seems to have re-balanced. Only one QF jet in sight, lots of Virgin and Skywest 737s! :eek: Can't see a long thin "road" to the east of the terminal... :{ http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w...ps100027b5.jpg |
I think that's because QF domestic is staying on the other side for now.
And yes, one terminal might be great but another runway would be even better. |
A nice EK A380 though. :)
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You can always guarantee that EK get the best press in the West Australian. Doesn't matter whether it's GT mouthing the industry press releases or Scourfield the travel writer accentuating the positive. EK are OK, but I notice the 'informative' West never gets round to highlighting the chaos that is Dubai airport, nor highlighting its limitations for business travellers wanting something as simple as a shower at the lounge. It's Hicksville stuff.
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@Tecman..... Dubai Chaotic + Hicksville?!?! With no showers??!! Have you ever been to Dubai before? Seriously...:ugh::ugh::ugh:
@380. Perth a Redneck Hicksville?! Take it easy big fella... |
Err..yes, my point was that the uncritical, small town breathlessness from the West Australian was reminiscent of Hicksville.
I travel frequently, and often via Dubai. Dubai airport, with the crazy inbound security for transiting pax, plus the hoards mixing it in narrow, unorganized thoroughfares is indeed chaos. The EK lounges are big, always full, generally OK and the few showers they have are often partly out of action. And it's little better in the first class lounge, where I sometimes end up. Sorry, SQ, MH and CX do it much better at their respective home bases. Perth doesn't rate any positive points on my travel scale, I'm afraid. |
I've been to Perth airport too and ... I think they're doing alright. |
Better to work on the mentality of the inbred locals who could do with some driving lessons and pointers on road courtesy. |
Better to work on the mentality of the inbred locals :D:D :p:p :E:E |
$500mil upgrade? Will that cut it? Trouble is the government will only throw just enough money at the embarrassment that is a Perth airport arrival. By the time its done it'll be overloaded again in 10 years.
That brochure insert in the West looks like a small mid-western airport in the US. Kinda like the Perth mentality. FFS the Tonkin Hwy needs to be fixed before anything.... |
FFS the Tonkin Hwy needs to be fixed before anything.... |
Trouble is the government will only throw just enough money at the embarrassment |
Its not owned by the Government |
Try out Cairns Terminal
Before all of you really complain too much about Perth's terminal you should go as a passenger to and from Cairns Airport.
It is a bloody shambles and an utter disgrace. I have never seen such a disfunctional Terminal in all of my many years flying and travelling. Sure Perth is not too flash but it's one hell of a lot better that Cairns. That does not excuse the authorities from improving Perth but at least you know you are far from the worst International Airport/ Domestic Airport in Australia. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: |
I think young Geoffrey has certain alliances/agendas
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YPPH ALA
500 mil spend, yeah right.
This will be one project that will probably go UNDER-budget. I started work at the "field" circa 1980 and had seen changes to the current plan going from that time until 1984, then terminating with the current mess (plan) unchanged from 1988 until the present time. Actually thats not true, there was the much celebrated (though invisible and unused) $2.3 million smokers shed installed last year somewhere. late and under budget |
Sorry to add some facts to the debate...https://www.mainroads.wa.gov.au/BUIL...GatewayWA.aspx
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RodH,
What do you have against Cairns airport? I use it frequently and have no issues with it both terminals are quick to get to gate area and screening lines are fairly short and when exiting both have a taxi line 100m from the door. Its a hassle free airport now the refurb is all done. |
Oh?
So it's now quick and hassle-free to transfer from domestic to an international connection then? |
It is owned by the federal government but is leased to Perth Airport P/L. Albanese is the landlord...complain to him and you will get a nice letter from someone saying the Minister has asked them to reply on his behalf :ugh:
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Qantas to lift investment in WA - Alan Joyce
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TIMA9x, I guess Alan didn't receive the Ross Garnaut memo on China & the future of the resources boom from the day before the announcement.
The Ross Garnaut Peter Jonson podcast is here (accompanying chartpack: Monetary Policy Ross Garnaut Uni Melb 240513v1.pdf - chart 19 Tourism is interesting, and shows the massive decline for inbound tourism over the last 10 years). Interesting contrast between the two views on the future, and only one can be right. |
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I notice that Big Al talked about "resource contracts" mmmmm.
How much work are the Network F100s doing at the moment? |
Its not owned by the Government |
99 years actually. Never let the facts spoil a good story.
CFI told you above... Here it is again... FAQs |
Did someone forget to tell the Irishman that the mining boom is over?:ugh:
The mining boom is over |
It never ceases to amaze me how people fail to see the difference between construction (of minesites) and actual mining. It all just gets lumped into one big bucket. You can't keep building new stuff forever, but, when the mines are all operational, guess what? They still employ a lot of people. Not as many as that short construction phase, but that's the nature of construction. Even down to the social implications-- a lot of the criticism thrown at "miners" re behaviour on flights, in camps, etc, is down to construction workers, building minesites. There is a world of difference between construction camps and established mine camps, believe me.
Anyway, back on topic. When the building is done, the mines operate. They still put a lot of bums on aircraft seats. And will continue to do so. A more accurate description would be "THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION BOOM IS NEARING ITS END":ugh: |
I recently read an article that said a certain gas plant required 3000 workers to build it but once they start producing gas it only takes 30 workers per shift to run it!!!!I think in anyone's terms that is a big difference in manning levels between the construction and operational phases!!!
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Yes, that is one valid example, but I can give another equally valid one. Around a thousand people, maybe, were employed during the construction of the mine I work on. Although not all at the same time. Now the mine is working, we have ( at last count) nearly 800 full time employees. All being flown in and out, either 9/5 or 2/1. And the multiplier effect--a significant proportion of those people don't live in Perth. So they have to be flown TO Perth, either from the WA regions (my case) , or from other parts of Australia. And then, some of those who have to join a flight at the capital city of their state, actually do a regional flight within their state to get to the capital city. Do you see what I am getting at?
The projected life of this mine is another 25 years, barring further discoveries within the lease, or available nearby, with extended infrastructure. Oil and gas do not tend to be big direct employers in the production phase, more technology-intensive. But those 30 people need a lot in the way of support industry, particularly if the site is offshore. The high point of the construction phase may be past, now we will settle into a production phase(but the capex won't stop dead, believe me.) |
ranmar850
Maybe you should get your facts right as well.
Gorgon: construction finishes in 2-3 yrs requirement for 4 a/c will fall to 1.5. Wheatstone: when it's finished will face similar falls. Operations require around only 1/3 of the number of workers as the construction phase. |
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