Mate I would almost vote yes purely and solely on the point of giving SGFleet the flick. That would be a huge win.:ok:

Good meeting SP the annualised salary is well overdue .

ngineer
 

Can you explain further please re the SG fleet comment and how that is involved ?
Thanks.

Hi ampclamp.

The ALAEA mentioned in their feedback meeting that they want other fleet vehicle providers available. This is due mainly to the many complaints that QF employees have raised about their level of service. They are rasing this in the EBA negotiations.

Best to get in touch with the ALAEA about changes they are proposing to our leasing arrangements.

Cheers ngineer.
Have heard similar complaints re sg but was not aware of the issue in the EBA.
Good thing.Having no competition means poor service in general.I have no experience with them at all.I used comfleet and found them OK.Details were good and making changes was easy.

I shall give the office a call.

I believe that AIPA is seeking access to other fleet lease companies as part of the LH Pilot EBA. SG Fleet service has been a problem for many QF employees.

Here's a thought

• Annualised salary
• +1 weeks extra leave
• Scrap all level quotas
• Payment for (a certain % of) unused annual leave on retirement
• Increase Superannuation
• Lift entry grade for new LAMEs
• Recognise that certain LAMEs (Mel H/M) may only ever get one type, so arrangements need to cater for these members
• Return all maintenance to Australia
• Reinstate component overhaul sections so we have parts

There's a start, I'll get back to you with more :)

S.T

Wanna know why management wages have outstripped all others?

Using Gold To Measure Average Wages

In Terms Of Gold, Wages Are Flat For 37-Years - Bonner

Wages versus gold: A look at historical data | The Economic Populist

They cant control costs of aircraft, spares, fuel, air nav charges, landing fees etc etc etc. Wages and benefits are the ONLY cost they can control - and we have already seen they can't think outside the 'cut costs' box. Grow the airline - you'd have to be joking? CX just upped frequency between HKG and PER to 10x/week. QF's answer was to cut services to 2x/week. Don't even mention QF's reaction to EK:ugh:

CEO/Senior management pay has skyrocketed in the last 20 years - particularly as a multiple of average employee wages - you can bet your collective ar$es THEY understand inflation/purchasing power. To have the same purchasing power an airline employee had in 1971 you'd need a pay rise totalling about 4 xwhat you currently earn.

Now none of us are going to get that - but don't let the cksuckers tie you down to 7% over the term of the EBA - THEY know that that is actually dramatic reduction in real wages.

I am not saying the above is management's fault or within their control - but employees need to understand what they are up against and how far backwards they go when they believe the political rhetoric about wages and inflation. High wages don't cause inflation, politicians do.

I think an Anualised Salary has alot of advantages for members that won't cost the company much.

PIA
 

Bring on the PIA,i need to do some extra overtime Cairns is pretty quiet now.;)

sniggiH
 

Well make hay while the sun shines because it cant keep being so good in Cairns.

No work and too much supervision, I would be very worried about my job security if i was you or one of the seniors. 1 supervisor for every 2 workers is a joke.

:ugh:

sniggiH
 

It won't be long before you, the other head scab and your golden child will Be-all that will be left in CNS. There can't Be-all that many more courses you blokes can dish out to jnr Scab can there? He hasn't even done his resits from the 800 and you've already got him on the classic course... On top of his bus training, a faster rise to fame has never been witnessed in line maint history! :D

JA1
 

If you are referring to the person i think you are, i was on a 744 course with him before HM was shut down. If i remember rightly he struggled on that course and failed a couple of subjects.

I hear he has been made a Senior LAME. He was never a competent engineer, how has he slipped through the system??

One can only asssume he has been promoted by people of similar ability.

If there is no work in CNS what is going to happen?.Any chance of picking up some more work to keep LAMES busy.

CNS Extra work
 

Supposedly successful in picking up Cathay transits so we're told, training taking place currently?
Lessons learned from the botched J* bid perhaps?

Folks I think there is more to the EB negotiations than additional lease car companies and the prospect of annualised salary, both of which would be nice but pale into insignfigance with the other company "wishes".

Battle on exec!:ok:

Opps......Make that ..... * Payment for (a certain % of) unused SICK leave on retirement

For the life of me I cannot see why we are getting so emotional about the car lease provider.

I'm never one to unnecessary stick up for the company, but in this case I really don't see this as being an EBA issue.

SG Fleet is in no way associated with Qantas, and I think any problems that we have with them are between us and them, and not the company.

We're all big boys and girls, if you have an issue with SG Fleet, go and fight them yourself, don't spend all your efforts getting Qantas to do your fighting for you !

We should put our efforts into things like raising the "entry level", removing caps and quotas, increasing our superannuation, "total wage", payment for unused sick leave on retirement and a host of other things that Qantas management HAS control over.

On a totally unrelated note, has anyone else noticed a creeping tendency for (low-level) management to slowly drift away from the "Take Five" policy ?

Seems they're now clock-watching a lot more, and have also been hassling engineers taking an "unauthorised" "Take Five" break ??

Just my station or a creeping trend ?

S.T

our manager is like the invisible man so not where I am.
Would not know if a tram was up him until they rang the bell anyway.Just lets you get on with the job and stays out of the way.

No emotion here my friend. Some maybe so.No point in that.
twister you are of course entitled to your opinion on the lease company.:)
I have no experience (except quotes) with them but without any competition I dont think service is going to be the best.
I know they wont tell you the purchase price until you sign up.That I did try.
I would not sign anything without knowing how much I was paying.End of story.It is a peripheral issue when all is said and done but if it can be made easier or more competitive that is great.

travel benefits were not an EBA issue but now with blow in managers getting a better deal over long term staffies it has become one.At least for me anyway ;).It is so hard to get a ride these days to anywhere you want to go on holidays it is tenuous at best.:uhoh:
I know a number of people who would trade their benefits for a pay rise tomorrow.maybe that would be an option?

Job security, fair pay increase,maintenance of T & C's at the top of the must do list though.:ok:

The plan up north to domesticate all buttmonkeys seems to be on hold,
once the ea is stitched up the buggery will resume. i hope it drags on forever if thats the case.
Dont know why these 'low level' managers are so keen on buggering things up?
You are talking about the DMM's right?
Couldn't trust them last time, disappointingly nothing seems to have changed.

Another couple of points for consideration....
 

1) parity for the lower grade LAMEs with JQ and VB must be achieved....and,

2)Now as our conditions are being compared with other airlines', all our claims should be calculated on the relativity of the QF CEO's payments with the other airlines' CEOs' payments!:D