SkyWest A320
 

Freshly painted in Uk.....:ok:

JetPhotos.Net Photo » G-BYTH (CN: 429) SkyWest Airlines Airbus A320-231 by Nik French

Due Melbourne for James Holland hangars on 4 April.

She has had a long life, built 93'. Any idea much do these go for when they are this old compared to new at around $70/80m?

Now that's a great sight.

FRQ CB

If this aircraft was a 1993 build it will be a Hangar Queen.

An almighty 'Congratulations' to the guys at Skywest!!
Been a long time coming...

Hats are being eaten all over this forum tonight.

If they'd got the thing when they first started talking about it, the 1993 model might've been fresh out of the factory :E.

Seriously, that's cool, good for them, hope it works out.

... they doubted and they joked but today we see the proof.

Well done XR!

$8 Mill, 1993 build with 22 previous owners. Yes, thats 22. Been in the desert for a few years I believe.

Well Outtahere, i dont know where you get that info from, you only need to look at its history, and you will find it has never been in the desert, but been flying for Thomas Cook and others from the UK, for the last 10 years, and has only been stored for 1 month.:rolleyes:

Outtahere,

Why be negative :ugh:. More aircraft for Skywest means MORE JOBS. The A320 looks great in its new livery. Well done XR :D, hope you get more of them.

Wombat

The biggest cat's bottom I've ever seen! :}

I had to look at the pic to get what you were saying Bloggs

Looked at the fin and nearly fell off me chair :} :D

I confess - the term was used before! :\

Ndicho Moja and Outtahere, you must be "the glass is half empty" kind of people. I bet your fun to fly with......not:hmm:

"CB"............yr sick mate!:E :EYou obviously know cats "intimately" & don't like Dim Sims, cats are only good for Dim Sims (std moggy makes 18 dimies) & the only good cat is a flat cat!:E
The more big birds the merrier:-) Am sure they have drivers lining up for such a gig, half their luck:ok:



Wmk2

XR A320
 

xr a320 arrives in australia in april for it's australian registration and certification.

xr also chose an excellent engine choice with the IAE V2500 !

the last of the formal paperwork for casa (re a320) aoc application goes in shortly with ops to commence in the second half of this year.

so to all the xr crew/management well done and congratulations !

cheers
mustard :ok:

Starting in the second half of this year????

• No A320 Fleet manager, training/check crew or line pilots within their ranks (advert appeared just today - normally 3 month notice period for currently employed folk. I can just hear Max at MATFO now "you want who to be your fleet manager - I don't think so?" Just as they did with the original Tiger CP. Experience is a CASA requirement for new type operations. They will need to find someone good!)
• If they can find crew how do direct entry captains sit with the union?
• No AOC with A320 on it yet, let alone CofA for the machine itself(CASA's service delivery standard for new type on AOC is 130 days I believe - working days that is = 5.9 months)
• Has CASA even provided an estimate yet and have XR paid the 50% up front.
• No manuals written to even allow the start of CASA's process (still under construction at Altara I hear and I've never heard of CASA accepting the "first cut" of any manual they have assessed)
• No MEL or SOM for the engineering side of the house (I understand the talk in the XR hanger is "we have no chance of getting ready")
• Any spares on order to keep a 17 year old aircraft with 22 previous owners running.
• Speaking of 22 owners - how is the back-to-birth tracing of the maintenance files tracking (can't get an CofA from CASA without that)
• XR CAR 30 has no A320 on their approval (and JHAS are booked solid)
• And that's all before a partial evac demo is even booked in with CASA who have a total of 1 Cabin Safety Inspector (other on maturnity leave I understand)

Always love to see our industry expand, but operations in the second half of the year are just a dream I think. A nicely painted machine means little sadly. I have a nice tattoo but that doesn't get me into the Gypsy Jokers. Don't polish your wings just yet lads. :sad:

Sounds like somebody has an axe to grind, or a bee under the bonnet, why be so negetive,:ugh: lets just hope it all goes well for them.
I believe there own crews start training in the next week or so, go for it guys.:D

Just posted on the AFAP website;

Not bad coin .. how does this compare with Jetstar and Tiger's A320 Check and Training Captain's salary?

Any idea of F/O Salary?

God help us all.:ugh:

I really like Prrune, people can hind behind the computers and act all macho.

Before you got on about 22 previous operators, paperwork ladie lar de dah taking it back to birth. If people look at the trail you will see that most of 'these' operators are under a WET lease, with the aircraft operated by one carrier.

muII

Don't confuse the stating of facts with negativity. Reality often hurts in this industry, but it is reality none the less.

Skystar 320

Huh? All I can understand from your post is that it just might be rooted in a very poor understanding of Australian regs. Are you suggesting the aircraft won't be registered in Australia when you talk of wet lease? If it is not to be registered in Oz that opens up a whole new regulatory can of worms. If it is to be Aussie registered it needs a CofA and a CofA cannot be gained within this country unless every part on the aircraft can be traced back to birth. A new aircraft - no problem. The older the aircraft the more difficult (and sometimes impossible) it can be. No records from birth means the part must be changed to one that can be traced. This is not Lardie dah, it is fact.

I hope it works for them, but it is a long road from a lick of paint to operating a passenger service.

mjmjkg, mate your the modern day, glass fuse,four stripe, its all about me me me, ygen tosser that should be hunted out of the industry,

Best of luck to Sky West. Im sure you like many many others around the world will be just fine.

Expedite both ways.

DM

evilc, you fail to understand or see which point I am trying to point out to those less obvious.

You mention 22 operators, yes so what the stats show... but have you seen that one operator has leased this aircraft to airlines under a WET / ACMI lease agreement to various other operators.

Secondly, if you look closely Skyservice Airlines / Airtours International Airways / MyTravel Airways / MyTravel Lite / Thomas Cook Airlines all come under one banner, one operation group!

I fear that you wish, for whatever reasons that you are wishing this project to be doomed...

Well, I obviously have no idea what the industry rate is for an A320 C&T Captain, thus my question of how this compares with Jetstar and Tiger.

Why are there so many DH's on pprune? :rolleyes:

Ahh you see smiling monkey, Australian aviation being the bitter and jealous circus that it is, brings out the inner DH in all of us under the cloak of anonymity. If $215K is the base then that I think is a bit over the money compared to Jet*, VB and Tiger C&T - which is a good thing!!! Finally upward pressure on T & Cs.:)

Fantastic Skystar A320! That is good news for the inspection process around the aircraft's 17 years of operation. I now understand your point in your previous posts - thank you. This should reduce the process to weeks, not months.

However, that does not change all the other elements that must be addressed prior to the issue of the CofA and subsequent AOC in the Australian regulatory environment. I standby my remaining assertions. Don't expect to see this aircraft flying in service for XR before the end of the year.

I also hear that the union will only allow 2 direct entry captains for the two most senior positions, yet the two experienced chaps offered positions have graciously declined. The lack of a flight crew experience base can scuttle plans just as quickly as incomplete records, ageing aircraft rules or engineering capabilities.

I have no axe to grind and no wish for the project to be doomed. I am just stating the facts of what is required to turn a nicely painted airframe into an operational aircraft in Australia. I have never been employed by Skywest and have no need to be in the future.

Roxy,

It's not 'huge' money by industry standards, but in the ballpark for what's typically being paid in the sheltered workshop (down-under) these days which is such a pity as I love grass much more than sand. :ugh:

Good on them for going with the minibus, still fond memories of flying over the big coat hanger etc in them. :ok:

jq checkies with some ot would be earning close that. Even line skippers would be in the vicinity of 190+ so while its not bad, for the amount of work required its hardly breathtaking

Good news for XR!

It was good to hear they got to keep their contract with Citic Pacific, which was worth near enough to 10 million for a 12 month period and would say they will get an extension on that as well from what I've heard.

Not sure how true it is but I've been told that the A320 will be used 2/3 days a week PER-KTA-PER and the other flights will be F100's. Think XR is going to be running 10 flights a week in and out of here for Citic alone?

Amazing how far XR has come in 10 years, hell even 5 years ago they weren't half the size they are now...and good to see the mining companies are giving the business to a 'local' WA company. :ok:

Well, it is 4 years late, and will do some hat eating if it's still around in 12 months and/or has sisters.

I doubt they had a choice, but the accountants will be happy, cheap piece of crap compared to CFM

I hope the XR engineer I spoke to was wrong about it requiring an undercarriage replacement soon $$$

One '93 model A320, hope XR got a massive spares kit with it, and whats the back up ? 2 x F100s ?

Back to drinking my 1/2 empty glass of beer :hmm:

cunninglinguist,

I know of at least 110 pilots that will pay to see u eat something else in a years time when ur proved wrong.

way to stay positive champ. u must be great to fly with :D

Hey Cunny, bet you said the same thing about the first F100 when it turned up too.....:E

too true, he said that when they were flying three days a week to broome with one f100! I believe they have looked at MEL-KTA but maybe tha thas changed now QF are going to be operating on that from May.

cunninglinguist = tool (not the sharpest tool in the shed)
 

i have no connection with xr anymore ; but cunning has no engineering background and the IAE V2500 is THE preferred engine on the a320 aircraft.

the cfm is fine BUT the the IAE V2500 IS a far superior engine re fuel burn/ongoing maintenance !

cheers
mustard:ok:

It's amazing how you crankers can turn your own bull:mad: back onto me, I'm not the one who stated catergorically 4years ago " Skywest will definitely be operating 3-4 A320s within 6 months ".
And 110 pilots, thats a lot of pilots for one 320, I would have thought a dozen at best ?
And yes, I am great to fly with :} Unless you're full of 5hit

Maybe, but I also questioned the wisdom of PH-KG-ML, that lasted a long time did'nt it ? ( yeh I know, they pulled out of that coz it was doing so well.

And a reply from the biggest cranker of all, who do you have a connection with mustard ? other than your flight sim. I guess the fact that the 2 largest A319/320 operators in the world use CFM is just because they're not as smart as you.

What you tossers don't seem to grasp is that I have absolutley nothing against Skywest, never worked for them and in fact a long time ago, knocked back an interview with them, what I can't stand is blatant BS, simple really.

Good luck to Skywest, including my mates that fly for them.

You must have missed they relaunched the kalgoorlie to melbourne run a few weeks back.