Gee Twiggs.

Really.:rolleyes:

Tell me you were trying to be ironic......?:}

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Again........

Blueloo,

so you think this is a good idea and should be implemented regardless of whether the rear flight deck jump seats are available for "travel companion" onload or not?

DH I don't think you have grasped the situation. The Tech Crew Rest seats are ONLY available when a long haul aircraft flies a two pilot crew.

That is a rare circumstance. Otherwise they are used by Tech Crew for required crew rest. They can be used to get someone on board who then must vacate the crew rest if it is required for its designed purpose. Just recently I had a cabin crew member ask to do just that to get his daughter onboard and I willingly obliged like I always do.

The flight deck JUMP seats, cannot be used for any beneficiaries under any circumstances. They used to be available and I have lost count of the number of cabin crew and their beneficiaries who used them when I was flying. That is now history.

You seem to be saying that now that now these jump seats on the flight deck are generally unavailable, then any spare jump seats in the cabin should only be available for cabin crew? What is the logic behind that?

If they are to be generally available then it makes sense to have the aircraft commander, who has the final say on all aspects of the operation, to have the final say on that as well.

i would prefer to have the tech and cabin crew families in the Cabin crew rest seats rather than on display in the cabin on the assist "operational" jump seats

there is no problem with tech or cabin crew families of the operating crew asking for the cc rest seats... i have a problem from a number of perspectives with any "passengers" staff or otherwise on jumpseats in the cabin

Give up ditch you are losing.

Gosh, I'd hate to have you serving me onboard an aircraft. Never wrong, arrogant attitude.

I'll give you some advice, you are wrong here.

Just remember. It's not your aircraft. It's the Captains. Stop the brainwashing, the cc don't own the aircraft, the Captain does. Read the CAR's. :ugh:

No.

What I'm saying is that I don't think cabin crew jump seats should be used for anyone other than operating cabin crew.

I don't think that they should be generally available to anyone whether they be the family of cabin crew, tech crew or Alan Joyce.

My point is that you lot [pilots] wouldn't be supporting the use of those seats for the family of cabin crew if the situation was reversed.

Not because you are priques by the way but because I'm certain you would identify that from an operational perspective the policy is flawed.

It's my firmly held view that it's supported by pilots only because you've lost due to a change in regs any autonomous alternative.

Forgive me but you blokes [and girls] are professionals [funbags excluded] and I find this policy operationally flawed and the position of pilots who support it, hypocritical.

Written a report yet Ditch? It'll only be with people putting a burst in that you can hope to have it changed!

No, not yet however I'm reasonably certain that it is being seen to.

My God!

What a fantastic work environment you lot have!

You actually work on the same plane together? :uhoh:

It almost borders on hatred! What's going on?

You'll of course find that those arguing against this policy are advocating that no one uses the seats except operating crew.

Capiche?? :rolleyes:

I ask that both sides in this debate insert another word into your discourse . . . CUSTOMER.

Just for fun, and with no offense and the greatest respect, I modified “ditch handle’s” latest post (although I could have picked others) and I ask you all to take a look at yourselves.

I read somewhere else today that BA has taken another step to becoming a LCC . . . no meals (after 1000hrs) on flights less than 2.5 hours. Maybe QF will follow?

Increasingly we ask what is the differential ‘value proposition’ that ‘full service’ airlines like QF says it offers its CUSTOMERS . . . other than paying for generous staff travel benefits, unfunded ‘pensions’ and unused frequent flyer points – all accrued in a previous era.

I assure you it is in my interests to see QF to remain and safe and prosperous airline . . . but these discussions don’t imbibe confidence.

Best to all

Cheers

Pedota

No.

What I'm saying is that I don't think customer seats should be used for anyone other than customers.

I don't think that they should be generally available to anyone whether they be (sic) the family of economy customer, premium customer or Alan Joyce.

My point is that you lot [Qantas employees] wouldn't be supporting the use of those seats for the family of customers if the situation was reversed.

Not because you are priques (sic) by the way but because I'm certain you would identify that from an operational perspective the policy is flawed.

It's my firmly held view that it's supported by customers only because you've lost due to a change in regs any autonomous alternative (or perhaps changing business models?).

Forgive me but you blokes [and girls] are professionals [funbags excluded] and I find this policy operationally flawed and the position of customers who support it, hypocritical.

Would they be the same customer who pays $160 extra for an exit row only to find someone staring directly at them from the jumpseat, in competion for somewhere to put their legs?

Get over it ladies. For years tech crew have willingly given up flight deck seats to cabin crew and their family members but unfortunately it has not been reciprocated. Best example after 2 CC given flight deck seat CSM advises that the CC jumpseats not available to which hero FA on flightdeck responds"nor should they'. So you lot keep your crew rest seats but I hope you treat any family members on jumpseats with the same respect and grace you and your loved ones have always got on the flight deck. It is the Captains aircraft and at least some balance has been restored. Tech crew can at least now bring their kids away without the worry of some FA objecting to giving up a crew rest seat. While I'm at it I cannot believe CC have denied their own the crew rest.

Just buy backup tickets!
it amazes me how many staff travellers only purchase QF tickets.
Bl00dy tight @rses.

Although I have never voted against giving up my crew rest seat, it infuriates me as these people "knew: the flights were going to be tight!

BUY BACKUPS!

I tend to buy backup tickets wherever possible but they would be a lot more attractive if:

(A) They could be done online without having to spend 2hrs+ on hold with Staff Travel
and..
(B) A refund didn't take at least 2 months

Nunc...

you better read the details....

If you are under the impression it can be used for the skippers kids you are mistaken....

It can only be used by ABP's over the age of 15. Of course if the Kids are 16 or over it wont be a problem but the exit row rule applies

honestly.....let them use the crew jumpseats, if they are that desperate.....
it relieves the pressure in having to give up the crew rest seats.

I think most people will think twice about sitting on the jumpseat at R3 or L3
across from the toilet!
They wont be able to use the CC rest seats as they will be used.

Come on you tight@rses just buy frikking backup tickets, so what if it takes 2 months to get a refund.

Personally I would like to see a ban on staff using any seat other than a pax seat, end of the bloody story, and it relieves the pressure on the CAPT and CSM.

OCCR, why would you buy backup tickets for your family when you want them to travel on YOUR flight, you know, the one you are operating??????

Sure, buy backup tickets when you are all travelling as a family on holidays, but when YOU are operating on the flight, you want your family to travel with you, and that is what we are talking about here, your family using assist seats when the crew member is operating, either tc or cc. It's not rocket science.

Sounds like the LHCC protecting their little empire. Imagine if all the techies over the last thirty years had said no to all LHCC commuters from using the jump seats on the flight deck, due to 'impinging' on our work environment. Imagine all the LHCC that wouldn't have got to work, or would have bought full fare tickets on Ansett, Virgin; even backup tickets! There would have been an uproar, 'stuck up techies' won't give up their jumpseats etc etc etc. You can't win with you guys, always want it your way. :ugh:

I think you will find that this entire issue is because the drivers are upset they can't put the wife on the flight deck anymore.

They put more submissions to CASA and the company to get a dispensation than the UN put out resolutions on Iraq.

They used so much energy and paper in this effort it's a wonder that Islands in the pacific have not gone under because of the increase in global warming and sea levels.:E:E:E

Seriously,let's stop the pi$$ing contest and look at the bigger picture.

I think the bigger issue here is one of safety.As someone else said when I'm walking around the cabin and we hit turbulence it is nice to know that there is a jump seat just ahead of me that I can grab and buckle up.

I don't want to get there and find someones wife or husband stretched out playing soduku

funbags or should I say Pontius pilate because we all know you are not a real pilot.
You never make a post in any of the pilot threads.
You even stalked cabin crew in the cabin crew areas away from D&G areas of pprune.
You admit that you want long haul cabin crew banned.
You are anti long haul cabin crew but pro the cheap QCCA and the overseas bases.

There is only one group who fits that description.The office

To those here who are real crew.Yes it is good when you can take your wife away with you but you have to face facts.Sometimes it is full because it is a business.
I have always bought back up tickets for my wife and kids if I take them away just in case.This is because as my aircraft is leaving I don't want to be worried about them being stuck somewhere.
This is just like insurance and the days of using the flight deck are gone and we have to accept that.We can't always use crew rest because they are here for crew to get rest.

Unfortunately 911 changed just about everything with our job.

This is unbelievable,

LHCC and Techies are all ONE team. What is all this banter about 'restoring the balance of power' and the 'us and them' attitude. We all work together on ONE aircraft and for ONE common purpose, and most of us also want the opportunity to take family members along with us without the stress of having them bumped.

Those who work for the Q, have a think about this: How appropriate or helpful is it debating an internal company policy on a public and anonymous forum? If you have real safety concerns about the policy raise it through the appropriate internal channels.

All you are succeeding on doing here is damaging the Qantas brand and embarrassing all of the reasonable and dedicated Qantas Cabin and Tech crew who enjoy their workplace and the team they work with.

Anyone with any Divisive comments (cabin and tech) are just fueling the divide, I don't care what axe you have to grind, your comments are only going to have a negative effect and you are only making Qantas a worse place to work!

For all those external to Qantas, thankfully the divisive attitude demonstrated here is only a vocal minority and not representative of the wider Cabin and Tech crew TEAM.

Regards,
MHA