As per my post # 14

-800 driver,
We've all made typo's before, don't sweat the small stuff matey:ok:

i suspect cane worm was trying to prevent a pedant like you dwelling on irrelevant matters. now then lads, no more to & fro nonsense please and back to the thread

Settle down lads, this is history repeating its self, and in a couple of years time recuitment will be on again, big time, at my age I have been thru waiting for the shoulder tap on more than one occasion, it did not come, but I know the waiting feeling. As you are all probably aware the JQ boys and girls are flying their butts off, indeed some have been called in from holidays to work, especially on the A330, whilst QF pilots are sitting on their arses, also on the A330, and it is being strongly considered to send 6 A330's wet (both tech and C/C) to JQ, the A/C in JQ colours, tech crew on QF wages, c/c in JQ uniforms and on QF wages,to ease the situation, now this might enrage some of you even more, some will be grateful for the work, some will say you can wave goodbye to those A330's they will be lost in a big black hole known as JQ for evermore, but whilst the travelling public are using JQ more than ever and mainline is in the doldrums due to the economic climate it makes sense, because like it or not it is JQ that is bringing in the bacon right now. Now before you all start blowing your gaskets (both JQ and QF) it is only being cosidered, my source? somebody up very very high in JQ (not a pilot) it might not happen, but it could, and there is bugger all you can do about it in this current situation, if for no other reason than at least some of you are working, even if it makes some of you QF blokes feel like throwing up as you board, it beats not working and feeling extremely uneasy all the time, time will tell.

Pilots - Becoming Trailer Trash!!
 

Hopefully this is not where we are headed...........

LAX parking lot is home away from home for airline workers - Los Angeles Times

Qanchor,
just as i was deciding whether to respond to her (or not) you piped up with a pearler. could'nt have said it better meself.
by the way, cool username

Ahhhh TG - yet another one foot in the grave retired captain suffering from relevance deprevation syndrome.....

Your 'high up' contact in JQ is obviously your source for the information that as far as QF group profitability goes JQI is 'bringing home the bacon'

This is so far wrong it is laughable.

JQI has been destroyed in Japan and yield everywhere else, especially on those routes 'gifted' from mainline is through the floor also (see Hnl for example)

It may well be that more A330's are gifted to JQI.

So be it.

But be clear that this decision will be about ego, hubris and IR ideology driving a business decision, rather then cost or revenue benefit analysis.

Read his post again, matey. He didnt say JQI was bringing home the bacon.

As a QF 330 driver I would rather sit at home on $250k than work my arse off at JQ. If im forced to go to JQ it will be on QF salary, If not ill retrain on something else in QF B767/737 whatever. Easy choice really.:eek:

I'm trying to sort through the poor spelling, punctuation and grammar and am left to believe that the problems at Qantas started in Human Resources quite a long time ago!

Some of this argument and sentence construction could be better put together by the average fourteen year old.

(Does "Wooden Eye" work at QF?)

Exactly....as posted above. Part of the problem for mine. As for the people currently being employed by JQ, I am sure they have applied and put themselves out to get there. Possibly even chosen to seek employment at JQ to suit their specific requirements as opposed to entry level QF longhaul. I am sure, when the current QF SO's who are unfortunately at risk at the moment, chose to seek employment or undetake selection with QF, that suited their needs or wants.
Hopefully no one loses a job and if those at risk have an agreement allowing them transition to JQ, then fair enough, but sorry if not, the application forms are different! Definitely feel for those that have done it tough to get there though.

Thanks.

The S/O's under threat are not covered by the MOU so there is bucklies chance of them being taken up by JQ.

As usual the JQ pilots contributing to this forum are viewing what is being discussed through the lens of their own victim mentality syndrome.

No one is talking about taking your jobs or disadvantaging you in any way, despite the fact that thats EXACTLY what JQ and JQI has done to mainline pilots.

Also, the political aspect of this process means that mainline 'pollution' will not be allowed to seep into JQ. Not now, not ever.

Having said that, you can see how the effected S/O's might feel a little non plussed at their situation when its been generated mostly by the fact that aircraft and routes were / are given to another airline.

And when one considers how RH and his mates set up the JQI deal, then it puts the whole thing into context further.

more pilots needed in J*
 

as they will take over HNL seven days a week by christmas:eek:

With the reqruitment excitement and energy experienced over 18 months ago it caught managers across Qantas, Virgin, Rex, QantasLink and many other airlines in the emotion and off target when things went south.:confused:

These companies have employed people so freely, scraping the bottom of the barrel in some cases last year, going overseas to look for people on 457 visas. So much for looking after our own back yard.


These companies should be encouraged to have a moral obligation and responsibility to their employees. Whilst companies should have flexibility to continue to be successful in a highly competitive industry on a global scale, the expenses associated with pilot employment would be significantly considered in a company such as Qantas for the long term benefit.

The economy will swing around. At this stage, Qantas management are looking at opportunities to cut costs out of the business to make it a stronger and more competive industry leader when the economy lifts again. It would be disappointing to see the pilot group, under pressure of this sought, be forced to accept long term depreciation to employment packages, just to fix this short term overcarriage of pilots....which was managements fault in the first place! From a managers point of view, I would be trying to screw out all the dead wood. One area is to cut costs through employment packages. Just remember, all pilots in Qantas are affected by this, from the top of the seniority list to the bottom and even those yet to be employed. Don't be fooled!:ugh:

Teresa,
If what you're saying is correct about the 330's going wet lease to J.I. why not simply leave the balus' in QF livery, cabin crew in QF uniform and just run the service as a charter. The cub's wouldn't know if they are on a 330, DC6 or Zeppelin, it's simply a machine to get them from home to some place warm, get the hair braided, maybe get a new tattoo and then come home. The in-flight service could be downgraded to align with J.I. catering policy. Might even make it easier for the "group accountants" to disguise and/or bury the cost as an expense to J* and bill it back to mainline.... now there's an idea!
No need for aircraft repainting and uniform re-issue unless there's a hidden agenda here.
Hmm, (c'worm looks up and to the right with hand on chin), I smells a rat with this idea I's do.[sic]

Longjohn,
Don't get too excited with Rambo's declaration of malingering, he's just stirring the pot to make us hardworking mainliners look bad. :ouch:
He's not a QF pilot, hell he probably doesn't even work for an Australia airline. Nice try rambo, but no cigar.:=

Yes I don't know which is more sad... ramboflyers post or the willingness of others to believe he is a QF pilot...:yuk:

Caneworm, I suggest that the Balus goes into JQ colors because they have no intention of handing them back! As for the other gentleman who sees me as surplus, you are quite correct, but as I have three sprogs working at the sharp end for different companies (which sometimes makes for some rather uncomfortable family B-B-Qs at times) even though I am no longer a working Airline Pilot, I am not completely brain dead, and as I never done anything else to earn a quid, I take a keen interest in their careers, indeed in what happens to all of you and the companies you work for, it is interesting to see history unfold in the Aviation industry, so humor me please!

Qantas is Qantas, Im senior enough to hold a command on something else in QF , Let the 330 g0 to JQ on their pitiful conditions they begged for.
They are different companies and if anyboby starts mixing the two then management from both sides will have a field day.
:ok:

Rabbitwear=Ramboflyer.

Why are you EK pilots trying to masquerade as QF people? Bored in the sandpit are we?:suspect: