eba has well and truly expired.:*

Begs the question as to why is it still a topic of conversation when the new eba should of been signed sealed and delivered by now!

All very good points about REX.

I have a mate who was offered an interview in Melbourne, he got the time off work, travelled, spent a good amount of cash on airfares etc, when he got there, it was cancelled on him!!

Good to see they treat people with respect!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Hello all,
Rex pilots...take industrial action...so they should, but i don't think they have the balls.

While there are guys not trained to operate the lifter, but can't stand up to the groundys at the out ports so do it any way, it won't happen.

While there are guys coming in on RDO's for a pathetic $250 or $350 for Capts, it won't happen. I know...some will say they need the money, but if pilots stop bailing out the company, they would be in a better position to negotiate a better EBA.

While there are guys that extend for no pay and therefore work FOR FREE, it won't happen.

While there are pilots answering the phone outside of STBY times and going in, it won't happen.

Industrial action requires ALL pilots to be involved. Unfortunatly there are to many soft guys that think they are doing themselves a favour by "helping out" the company, when all they are really doing is stuffing it up for everyone else.

Well said Mudflat :ok:

That mentality you speak of was bred in the GA world and is now flooding into the airline world.

Mentality??
 

And when GA gets rid of the flood of "airline wannabies" it will be much better for everyone. The multicrew pilot licence may help fix it. Both safety and IR.

Everybody has to join together if only for a small amount of time..

this will be difficult as people are still extending for Free.. Why ????

did enough for free in the GA days REX is an Airline they should act like it and pay professional wages for a professional job.:ok:

first blog hi to all :ok:

Mudflat, I agree with all you say, your post is spot on !:ok:
Unfortunately there will always be a few soft cocks who stuff it up for the rest !:ugh:

How hard is it to say "NO !" politely
 

Good on you Mudflat!
I have been saying "No" to Crewing so often that they have stopped trying. At one stage, I had to say no 5 times in a week, thrice to extending (:=:=) and twice to casual days.
Because I said "No" on a couple of those occasions, they subsequently had to cancel a few flights. I feel sorry for the passengers involved, but who feels sorry when I can't buy my kids the Xmas pressies that I cannot afford? :sad::sad: I might as well spend more time at home with them......and even then, the company tries to take that away......with NIL COMPENSATION!! What an insult.
Only fools work for free. Unfortunately, there's one born in REX every other day.

You guys are dead right, and I hate to say it, but the Pilot group is NOT standing together on this one.

We don't need to wait for the Feds to organise Industrial action, the power is already in our grasp.

A little restraint now is going to reward far greater than the crappy amount extra you make now.

STOP working RDO's, don't ever extend - even if the extension is rescuing fellow Crew, they will understand !!!

Come on people, I don't want to bring this airline down, there is still massive potential, but the ONLY way to improve our EBA is to be unified.

Just curious
 

I agree with majority of what is said here except for the guys who justify working an RDO because they need the cash as they would/should of been fully aware of the T & C's before joining.
I know the money is crap but would one honestly take the job in the first place if it meant working RDO's to make ends meet and IF(doubtful) the crew numbers become sufficent again and they are not being asked to work RDO's anymore.....what then? Personally I would want to stop working RDO's as my own choice with the potential to gain from it later rather than not being able to work RDO's because there is no need.......do you think rex will be sympathetic to your money needs IF they have enough pilots and dont need you to work? they dont care how many times you help them and you will be on your own, while they laugh at how much cheaper it was for them by getting ppl in on RDO's rather than a payrise during tough times.:hmm:

Please dont confuse this as supporting the company as i am not and would be fully behind the pilot group 100% :ok:

Just my 2 cents worth

OH and lkh stop using the kitchen analogy as its getting old.:rolleyes:

Don't expect support
 

Many of the people who stuffed up gA are now working for airlines, and they are stuffing them up too. Don't expect support.

You reap what you sow.....

I love listening to guys in Airlines now complaining about how shyte it is and it's nothing like they thought it was going to be. If only they had of respected the positions they held in GA then things at the top of the tree would be a-lot different.

I dont hold my fellow "colleges" in high regard and find it hard to believe that they actually are professionals, because the majority certainly dont believe they should be treated like one...... as long as they are flying that big shinny jet playing with their I-phones" who cares".....

If I could take the quotes from another thread " suck it up", " harden up ", WHY!!!......... so keep putting up with the cr@p that this industry is serving on all levels .... and reap what you sow.

We are fast becoming the joke of all other professions.

Who is sick of explaining to people what we "really" get paid..... and are equally sick of the peoples response " hmmm I thought pilots got paid alot more".




Waiting for the usual reply from the PPrune twits... here's one to start with.

" if you dont like it get out "

Teachers in Adel are taking industrial because they are not getting their 7% pay rise per year over the next 3 years. The engineers at QF got 5% per year with next to no off sets. Both of these groups stick together and achieve a good outcome (although I note the teachers haven't got it yet...but at least they are fighting for it) through being united.

I know the FOM in Adel is spruking it up saying 3% is fair and so on and that he'll go in on his days off and extend to help the company, but that is only because he is under the pathetically incompetent thumb of the head of check and training. (incompetent...just look at the check pass rate for the year....obvously HIS dept isn't doing something right).

It's time that the CP in this company stood up for the pilots for ONCE and gave them something to be happy about. Oh yeah, and while he's at it he can tell a certain young family member to pull his bloody head in...he's giving everyone the $hits.....well someone had to say it.

Mudflat are you applying for the ADL Fom position - you sound like the person for the job.

Plenty of other truths that need to be said :D and heads to be kicked :ugh: particularly the one mentioned !

:ok:

ohyeahright,

The job was mine for the taking, but unfortunatly I failed the medical. Due to an old leg injury I couldn't bend over enough to touch my toes (which is a requirement for this position). I also have a spine, which apparently isn't required.

Crack-up Mudflat! Good posts.

C.T.W.D. Unfortunately you are dead right. Trying to get some pilot groups to pull in the same direction is akin to holding the Red sea back with a broom. The very fact however that the profession has become a joke will eventually see the changes that are well overdue. Amongst many young Aussies the "profession" is about as popular as a pork chop at a Jewish wedding! That situation will one day see the restoration of T&C's to what they should be, but I'm afraid it will be after lots of pain for the company, and sadly those regional centres that depend on these essential services.

A good management team, a forward thinking management team, would have correctly identified these crewing issues from the outset. They would have understood that irrespective of the fortunes of Virgin, Jetstar, Qantas et'al, the decimation of G/A and the abandonment of the "profession" by an entire generation of young Australians, will ensure that this crewing crisis will be with us well into the future!

Predictably I'm afraid, the clowns that run the show see themselves as victims of the crewing shortage, rather than the contributors to it! They have tried everything short of recruiting Santa Clause in an effort to fill cockpits. Everything except what will ultimately be the only solution; A redefining of what the profession of Pilot is really worth.

It will come eventually, but only after a protracted period of Bullsh!t. In the meantime boys and girls, if you want the bullsh!t period to be months rather than years, say no to extensions, and no to working your RDO's.

So this new guy you are talking bout

works casual days..... tick
happy working for peanuts.... tick
giving everyone the ****s.... tick
a mole to the CP.... tick

Sounds like the perfact candidite for FOM then :E

why doesnt he piss off back to sydeny:ok:

Let's get back on topic, thanks.

how do the poor fo,s in syd expect to buy a slab of beer(social life) if they dont do a call out here and there.

totally agree we should all stick together but people have to survive .

How can we achieve this

l personally have stopped call outs.. Never extented in my life. Don't spend 70k and study like a bitch to get to atpl to work for free.

All the foms have quit. What are we to make of this?????????