rex pilots to commence industrial action
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can anyone shed some light on the proposed industrial action?
you guys have been without an eba for some time now I believe.
you guys have been without an eba for some time now I believe.
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No industrial action - yet.
Feedback meetings pending with the troops to ascertain acceptability of the offer. If unacceptable, negotiators may go back to the company, or commence protected industrial action.
AFAP to notify a bargaining period. The first step towards P.I.A.
Good luck.
Feedback meetings pending with the troops to ascertain acceptability of the offer. If unacceptable, negotiators may go back to the company, or commence protected industrial action.
AFAP to notify a bargaining period. The first step towards P.I.A.
Good luck.
Now, most here would know my thoughts on the standard of REX wages and Regional Airline incomes in general. As well as an offer of 3% though, the company have put out for consideration a 5% (I'm assuming P/A) offer, but with no profit share. The profits of REX were down this year, and I think it's safe to say it will become a continueing trend. Not so much because of any economic downturn, but as the lower end of the seniority list now contains pilots (and Cadets if they ever surface) that cannot be upgraded to command, every Captain that resigns will put further pressure on the company to reduce the schedule. Smaller schedule, smaller profits, smaller profit share.
What's the CPI at the moment? A little over 5% I think!
What a joke!
What's the CPI at the moment? A little over 5% I think!
What a joke!
Thank's satos, beat me to it.
It should be remembered that a lower than average CPI pay deal(s) over the past decade or so has led to this point. The gradual nibbling away over the years has resulted in REX pilots being some 20% behind their Qantaslink counterparts, and now well below what most GA operators are paying their turbine drivers on even smaller equipment.
Whatever form the industrial action takes, I think REX management must bear responsibility for the outcome. But of course, they'll do what they always do!
It should be remembered that a lower than average CPI pay deal(s) over the past decade or so has led to this point. The gradual nibbling away over the years has resulted in REX pilots being some 20% behind their Qantaslink counterparts, and now well below what most GA operators are paying their turbine drivers on even smaller equipment.
Whatever form the industrial action takes, I think REX management must bear responsibility for the outcome. But of course, they'll do what they always do!
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What?.... Industrial action?.... Do the Feds know about this?
I'm sure this can all be sorted out with a stern letter from the Feds to the Singaporeans.......
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I'm sure this can all be sorted out with a stern letter from the Feds to the Singaporeans.......
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Hell, if REX offered 20% the EBA would be a shoe-in! That won't stop pilots leaving though, and it certainly won't address the root cause of the "shortage".
Problem is, it would take 40% just to begin to turn the tide. It's now gone way beyond what the company should/could have done. REX have signalled loud and clear that the retention of experienced crews is not an option for them. Pretty soon we will see the wholesale poaching of upgradeable pilots by other operators, and not necessarily the majors. Not pretend poaching like JD refered to, but real advances by competitors!
Think it won't happen? 50-100-150 cadets and 200 hour wannabe's will only add to REX's crewing issues (surplus to requirements). Captains and upgradeable F/O's are now in serious short supply. How many years does it take for a pilot to aquire the mins for command at REX? But first you have to convince a generation of young Australians to take up the profession in the first place! In the meantime, if your airline is to have any chance at growth or even survival, you only have one option, scramble for what's left!
Armchairs and popcorn.
Problem is, it would take 40% just to begin to turn the tide. It's now gone way beyond what the company should/could have done. REX have signalled loud and clear that the retention of experienced crews is not an option for them. Pretty soon we will see the wholesale poaching of upgradeable pilots by other operators, and not necessarily the majors. Not pretend poaching like JD refered to, but real advances by competitors!
Think it won't happen? 50-100-150 cadets and 200 hour wannabe's will only add to REX's crewing issues (surplus to requirements). Captains and upgradeable F/O's are now in serious short supply. How many years does it take for a pilot to aquire the mins for command at REX? But first you have to convince a generation of young Australians to take up the profession in the first place! In the meantime, if your airline is to have any chance at growth or even survival, you only have one option, scramble for what's left!
Armchairs and popcorn.
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I feel for you guys seeking decent wages that ought to be paid without having to fight for it. Hypothetically I wonder what the response would be from REX management if ALL REX pilots simply stopped work 'till they where offered something decent?
Didn't we have a similar situation back in the late 80's? That got ugly but is there that strength (in numbers) that we saw still somewhere out there? To put it simply what do you guys/gals really need to do to get a fair pay? I wish you lot well with whatever action you take
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Didn't we have a similar situation back in the late 80's? That got ugly but is there that strength (in numbers) that we saw still somewhere out there? To put it simply what do you guys/gals really need to do to get a fair pay? I wish you lot well with whatever action you take
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It wouldnt even take serious p.i.a all you guys need to do is stop working RDO's and extending duties and after about a week the board would have to make a decent offer otherwise the cancellation of flight would be enourmous all because guys/girls are actually using their days off for days off.
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Go for it!
I've heard that F/O's are being offered Commands before their probation is finished???!!!
I've also heard of Captains becoming Training Captains with less than 12 months service???!!!
Hell, they wouldn't have seen all the seasons yet! Flying to Orange in Summer is alot different than Winter.
This opinion that experience is over-rated is extraordinary!
1) Get rid of the Space Shuttle FCOM.
2) Campaign for a bidding system; anything is better than the current "surprize package" that is a roster.
3) Campaign for overtime payments.
4) And try for some better meals at MEAL TIMES.
I can't believe that in our country we have pilots flying RPT who are tired, hungry and poor!
I've also heard of Captains becoming Training Captains with less than 12 months service???!!!
Hell, they wouldn't have seen all the seasons yet! Flying to Orange in Summer is alot different than Winter.
This opinion that experience is over-rated is extraordinary!
1) Get rid of the Space Shuttle FCOM.
2) Campaign for a bidding system; anything is better than the current "surprize package" that is a roster.
3) Campaign for overtime payments.
4) And try for some better meals at MEAL TIMES.
I can't believe that in our country we have pilots flying RPT who are tired, hungry and poor!
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I've heard that F/O's are being offered Commands before their probation is finished???!!!
I've also heard of Captains becoming Training Captains with less than 12 months service???!!!
Keep an eye on Qantaslink over the next few months. They have a serious Captain shortage as well. They have a dozen new Q400's coming and although enough right seaters are in the pipeline, the expansion plans are in jeapody because they litteraly have no F/O's left that are suitable for command.
They'll have to get them from somewhere?
They'll have to get them from somewhere?
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I've heard that F/O's are being offered Commands before their probation is finished???!!!
The AustralianAugust 29, 2008
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer
Rex executive chairman Lim Kim Hai said
Well it seems lim kim LOW is a LIAR, as the afap has met directly with him & the rest of upper management, and all the company has to offer is 3% with profit share or 5% without profit share. Why is it so hard for him to offer the money that he has said he would be willing to pay in the above quote. Maybe you are just trying to talk yourselves up to the media! so as to look like the good guy's & make the crews look like a bunch of money hungry ars*h***s who really just want an honest days pay for an honest days work. Also maybe L K LOW should fly around economy class instead of first class & save some money! 
it seems you might be two faced
Crews have not been offered anything close to this money so how would he know! Check & trainers have worked out a deal which I believe is quite good, so put the 20% offer to the line pilots & stop wasting everyones time with the insulting offers & everyone can get on with the job in a better environment, so that they dont have to work a second job to make ends meat.
Steve Creedy & media why do you people always do half arsed reports on this industry, do a little research, get the facts, interview both sides to the issue instead of making it up as you go. If pilots as professionals flew in the same manner as the media/journalist report stories, we would be smoking aircraft into the ground daily.
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer
Rex executive chairman Lim Kim Hai said
"You have to be realistic," he said. "If we had to pay 10 per cent more to avoid the problem, or we had to pay 20 per cent more to avoid the problem, it could still be something we stretch for," he said.
it seems you might be two faced
"But the pilots who leave are not looking at 10 or 20 per cent in their new jobs with Qantas and their new jobs with Virgin. They are really talking about 80 to 100 per cent increase and on top of that a career as a jet pilot.
Steve Creedy & media why do you people always do half arsed reports on this industry, do a little research, get the facts, interview both sides to the issue instead of making it up as you go. If pilots as professionals flew in the same manner as the media/journalist report stories, we would be smoking aircraft into the ground daily.