eba has well and truly expired.:*

Begs the question as to why is it still a topic of conversation when the new eba should of been signed sealed and delivered by now!

All very good points about REX.

I have a mate who was offered an interview in Melbourne, he got the time off work, travelled, spent a good amount of cash on airfares etc, when he got there, it was cancelled on him!!

Good to see they treat people with respect!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Hello all,
Rex pilots...take industrial action...so they should, but i don't think they have the balls.

While there are guys not trained to operate the lifter, but can't stand up to the groundys at the out ports so do it any way, it won't happen.

While there are guys coming in on RDO's for a pathetic $250 or $350 for Capts, it won't happen. I know...some will say they need the money, but if pilots stop bailing out the company, they would be in a better position to negotiate a better EBA.

While there are guys that extend for no pay and therefore work FOR FREE, it won't happen.

While there are pilots answering the phone outside of STBY times and going in, it won't happen.

Industrial action requires ALL pilots to be involved. Unfortunatly there are to many soft guys that think they are doing themselves a favour by "helping out" the company, when all they are really doing is stuffing it up for everyone else.

Well said Mudflat :ok:

That mentality you speak of was bred in the GA world and is now flooding into the airline world.

Mentality??
 

And when GA gets rid of the flood of "airline wannabies" it will be much better for everyone. The multicrew pilot licence may help fix it. Both safety and IR.

Everybody has to join together if only for a small amount of time..

this will be difficult as people are still extending for Free.. Why ????

did enough for free in the GA days REX is an Airline they should act like it and pay professional wages for a professional job.:ok:

first blog hi to all :ok:

Mudflat, I agree with all you say, your post is spot on !:ok:
Unfortunately there will always be a few soft cocks who stuff it up for the rest !:ugh:

How hard is it to say "NO !" politely
 

Good on you Mudflat!
I have been saying "No" to Crewing so often that they have stopped trying. At one stage, I had to say no 5 times in a week, thrice to extending (:=:=) and twice to casual days.
Because I said "No" on a couple of those occasions, they subsequently had to cancel a few flights. I feel sorry for the passengers involved, but who feels sorry when I can't buy my kids the Xmas pressies that I cannot afford? :sad::sad: I might as well spend more time at home with them......and even then, the company tries to take that away......with NIL COMPENSATION!! What an insult.
Only fools work for free. Unfortunately, there's one born in REX every other day.

You guys are dead right, and I hate to say it, but the Pilot group is NOT standing together on this one.

We don't need to wait for the Feds to organise Industrial action, the power is already in our grasp.

A little restraint now is going to reward far greater than the crappy amount extra you make now.

STOP working RDO's, don't ever extend - even if the extension is rescuing fellow Crew, they will understand !!!

Come on people, I don't want to bring this airline down, there is still massive potential, but the ONLY way to improve our EBA is to be unified.

Just curious
 

I agree with majority of what is said here except for the guys who justify working an RDO because they need the cash as they would/should of been fully aware of the T & C's before joining.
I know the money is crap but would one honestly take the job in the first place if it meant working RDO's to make ends meet and IF(doubtful) the crew numbers become sufficent again and they are not being asked to work RDO's anymore.....what then? Personally I would want to stop working RDO's as my own choice with the potential to gain from it later rather than not being able to work RDO's because there is no need.......do you think rex will be sympathetic to your money needs IF they have enough pilots and dont need you to work? they dont care how many times you help them and you will be on your own, while they laugh at how much cheaper it was for them by getting ppl in on RDO's rather than a payrise during tough times.:hmm:

Please dont confuse this as supporting the company as i am not and would be fully behind the pilot group 100% :ok:

Just my 2 cents worth

OH and lkh stop using the kitchen analogy as its getting old.:rolleyes:

Don't expect support
 

Many of the people who stuffed up gA are now working for airlines, and they are stuffing them up too. Don't expect support.

You reap what you sow.....

I love listening to guys in Airlines now complaining about how shyte it is and it's nothing like they thought it was going to be. If only they had of respected the positions they held in GA then things at the top of the tree would be a-lot different.

I dont hold my fellow "colleges" in high regard and find it hard to believe that they actually are professionals, because the majority certainly dont believe they should be treated like one...... as long as they are flying that big shinny jet playing with their I-phones" who cares".....

If I could take the quotes from another thread " suck it up", " harden up ", WHY!!!......... so keep putting up with the cr@p that this industry is serving on all levels .... and reap what you sow.

We are fast becoming the joke of all other professions.

Who is sick of explaining to people what we "really" get paid..... and are equally sick of the peoples response " hmmm I thought pilots got paid alot more".




Waiting for the usual reply from the PPrune twits... here's one to start with.

" if you dont like it get out "

Teachers in Adel are taking industrial because they are not getting their 7% pay rise per year over the next 3 years. The engineers at QF got 5% per year with next to no off sets. Both of these groups stick together and achieve a good outcome (although I note the teachers haven't got it yet...but at least they are fighting for it) through being united.

I know the FOM in Adel is spruking it up saying 3% is fair and so on and that he'll go in on his days off and extend to help the company, but that is only because he is under the pathetically incompetent thumb of the head of check and training. (incompetent...just look at the check pass rate for the year....obvously HIS dept isn't doing something right).

It's time that the CP in this company stood up for the pilots for ONCE and gave them something to be happy about. Oh yeah, and while he's at it he can tell a certain young family member to pull his bloody head in...he's giving everyone the $hits.....well someone had to say it.

Mudflat are you applying for the ADL Fom position - you sound like the person for the job.

Plenty of other truths that need to be said :D and heads to be kicked :ugh: particularly the one mentioned !

:ok:

ohyeahright,

The job was mine for the taking, but unfortunatly I failed the medical. Due to an old leg injury I couldn't bend over enough to touch my toes (which is a requirement for this position). I also have a spine, which apparently isn't required.

Crack-up Mudflat! Good posts.

C.T.W.D. Unfortunately you are dead right. Trying to get some pilot groups to pull in the same direction is akin to holding the Red sea back with a broom. The very fact however that the profession has become a joke will eventually see the changes that are well overdue. Amongst many young Aussies the "profession" is about as popular as a pork chop at a Jewish wedding! That situation will one day see the restoration of T&C's to what they should be, but I'm afraid it will be after lots of pain for the company, and sadly those regional centres that depend on these essential services.

A good management team, a forward thinking management team, would have correctly identified these crewing issues from the outset. They would have understood that irrespective of the fortunes of Virgin, Jetstar, Qantas et'al, the decimation of G/A and the abandonment of the "profession" by an entire generation of young Australians, will ensure that this crewing crisis will be with us well into the future!

Predictably I'm afraid, the clowns that run the show see themselves as victims of the crewing shortage, rather than the contributors to it! They have tried everything short of recruiting Santa Clause in an effort to fill cockpits. Everything except what will ultimately be the only solution; A redefining of what the profession of Pilot is really worth.

It will come eventually, but only after a protracted period of Bullsh!t. In the meantime boys and girls, if you want the bullsh!t period to be months rather than years, say no to extensions, and no to working your RDO's.

So this new guy you are talking bout

works casual days..... tick
happy working for peanuts.... tick
giving everyone the ****s.... tick
a mole to the CP.... tick

Sounds like the perfact candidite for FOM then :E

why doesnt he piss off back to sydeny:ok:

Let's get back on topic, thanks.

how do the poor fo,s in syd expect to buy a slab of beer(social life) if they dont do a call out here and there.

totally agree we should all stick together but people have to survive .

How can we achieve this

l personally have stopped call outs.. Never extented in my life. Don't spend 70k and study like a bitch to get to atpl to work for free.

All the foms have quit. What are we to make of this?????????

Krusty good point of view


Good job Good A/C shut the cabin door good fun just need the money to keep people up the front.

Rediculous that the fA gets the same callout as the fo

The FA is very important in incident accident for the pax( l will never take away from the fa) but the fact of the mater the fo spent a fortune/studied/flew up north for nothing and constant checks...
Fa 2 weeks course...............??????

capt 5 fo 4 fa 3

well i hope those ditching Rex arent looking at M****r....
RUMOUR has it (NB: this is the Professional Pilots RUMOUR network)..that 20 pilots will be made redundant tomorrow. :(:(

Quote from Owen:
"From where I sit there are plenty of candidates for your job regardless of what it pays. All the kids talk about is an airline job not the remuneration :ugh:"

When I was a Rex FO and people found out what I earned they simply couldn't believe it....I had to tell them what I earned with a straight face just so they'd believe me. So from where your sitting do you think all these candidates are lining up regardless of what the pay is, or assuming what everyone else thinks and believes the pay is what it should be...unfortunatly not what it actually is?

Here we go again, if M****r drop 20 pilots tomorrow JD will come up with some more convoluted BULL**** that they will be our savior and will be able to open the BN base again. Pathetic isn't it.

Maybe another reason why pilots work RDO's or extend is they know if they don't there is a good chance that the flight will be cancelled leaving people stranded such as old Mavis who is going into surgery that afteroon for a hip replacement which she has been waiting 3 years for (Mavis is a fictional character btw) Maybe they care about their pax I dunno but could be why ...

Fritzandsauce,

To what extent do the management of Rex owe Mavis this level of concern?
Before working out which flight/s will get the chop, do they endeavour to find out which flight Mavis is on, or do they work out which will hurt the company least?
Who put the pilots in this position?

".....airline job". R_ E_ X an Airline, an AIRLINE :}:}:} that's one of the most outlandish statements I've heard all year! Honesty I thought it was a circus..........well they pay their pilots in peanuts, don't they???

Pilots should never be put in that position but maybe they feel obliged due to poor managment which is NOT the pilots fault at all

Question is "nohumbug" are you a professional Pilot or professional rumour starter?
Would love to hear where you found that little gem!:rolleyes:

"nohumbug well i hope those ditching Rex arent looking at M****r....
RUMOUR has it (NB: this is the Professional Pilots RUMOUR network)..that 20 pilots will be made redundant tomorrow."

nohumbug, I think you are full of it. I guess we will find out tomorrow.
The EBA at ****** is a fair one and if rex adopted a similiar one I suspect that many more of their pilots would consider their job a career position.

I feel for the pilots at M@cair. It is interesting that the raising of their remuneration package now makes REX pilots the lowest paid "Large" regional pilots in the country! Not bad when you consider they were once the highest paid in the country (Kendell). IMHO however (re: M@cair), it's probably a case of too little, too late.

Slightly off topic I know, but M@cair's sim slots have been suspended due to the bills not being paid. Next may be cash for fuel, and if and when the wages don't go in on time, it's all but over.

My prediction: LKH is looking closely at the QLD operator. He will step in at the last minute and offer the Administrator/Liquidator a "fair" price. He will keep the HCAOC, and soon after delete the ATR from the fleet. Command issues for the youngu'ns will be minus one more hurdle and the now ex M@cair drivers will join the ranks of the lowest paid Regional pilots in the country!

Evil! Brilliant!!

Bo777, Couldn't agree more. REX is a sad excuse for an airline. "Airline pilots" stick together and Airline managers listen to their pilot group especially once their EBA has expired.

LKH, JD, and CH are treating us all with contempt.

Bring on the PIA and lets stop playing games. We have all the Aces.... Lets use them.:*

Flacid pilot group?
 

My god;

It sucks the big one that the "economic crisis" has come at this time. Makes it hard to push for bigger wages and at the same time stop people working RDO's etc.

But, all I can say is ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER than words.
Is thats why LKH says "no cant pay pilots too much no money"...... yet REX just purchased four more aircraft, with not enough crew to fly the ones they have already!

A slap in the face to the EBA Negotiations. :=

So, Balls out of the handbags ladies, uh hum, I mean flight crew, we can whine all we want but until there is unity, and we will see when the votes are tallied, and in the way we conduct ourselves i.e. call outs etc there will be only fluff in the wind...... unfortunately that's what management and LKH know only too well.

Ps - to an earlier comment about telling people what you get paid; YES its F:mad:king embarrassing. :ugh:
No wonder people leave.

Just for clarity lil_blueberry :ok:


Regional Express (Rex), today announced that it had purchased 4 Saab 340 B model aircraft. The aircraft were originally operating in the Rex fleet under a lease which expired in October 08. The acquisition was funded from Rex's operating cash flows.

The purchase brings the number of Saab 340 aircraft owned by Rex to 24.

Regional Express (Rex) is Australia’s largest independent regional airline operating a fleet of 40 Saab 340 aircraft on more than 1,200 flights weekly to 24 destinations from Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. The Rex Group comprises Regional Express, air freight and charter operator Pel-Air Aviation and Dubbo based regional airline Air Link, as well as the pilot academy Australian Airline Pilot Academy.

Whats the difference between a flying school and a Im going to go with just the name?

Make your opinions known en mass to the AFAP/RexPC
 

The critical point being...ALL...pilots will continue to work casual days unless PIA is taken. The only way to band together and ensure all crew are supporting our push is PIA. It is illegal for the union or pilot committee or a group of union members to incite pilots to not work casual days etc (illegal industrial action).

Get off pprune gentlemen and email our union, email the rexpc, write letters. The AFAP is not our union, the REX pilots as a group are the union only represented by the AFAP so you need to make your opinions known to them so they may act on our behalf.

:ugh:This 3% x 3% x 3% over the next EBA or the 5% each year without profit share/share gift is a disgusting offer which drastically falls short. We should be pushing for 15-17% in the first year and then the option of 3% (with share) or 5% (without share in following years). And also linking the subsequential rises to CPI, so 3% or CPI whichever is greater.:ugh:

LKH
 

On another note....when is LKH going to be voted off the board? :ugh:

p.s. PM me for any contact details of the PC or LC(AFAP)

probably since he still owns over 50% of the shares personally.... NEVER