AeroTropics Ceases Operations
Aero Tropics Air Services ceased operations yesterday. RL was unable to withstand the financial losses of no income while waiting the 5 working days to overturn the AOC suspension imposed last Friday. With long weekends that meant nearly two weeks before getting to court, a fact no doubt evident to CASA when they issued the order.
The role of CASA NQ FOI's RP and MC having continued involvement in ATAS affairs while the under investigation by CASA (yeah right) for 'serious allegations relating to its NQ office' (senate report) needs to be looked at. Torres Strait operations virtually cease. Regional Pac earlier announced it was pulling out of the Straits. School holidays finish this week. Hospital charters and medical flights stopped. The Qlink Dash 8 running nearly empty. When will it dawn on the brain dead authorities that airline style RPT services in remote areas with class A maintenance requirements can't be supported when Charter in clapped out Bongo's with Class B maintenance is allowed to directly compete over the same routes every day. |
So with Skytrans selling off all its piston fleet and effectively out of the game, and Troppo's gone...... who is left? Hinterland (and they are down 1 as of last week) and who else to pick up the slack?
I guess Toyota and Nissan will not be discounting 4WD's up north for a while! If Jamair is around he may be able to shed some light on the regions woes. J:sad: |
Or is it more a rationalisation of operators, enabling growth and reasonable return on investment in the future?
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Or is it more a rationalisation of operators, enabling growth and reasonable return on investment in the future? sc |
Maybe it's time to start up a Caravan RPT service around the Islands?
Maybe have an Eastern and a Western run!:} |
ATAS were operating Caravans in RPT !
CASA chose to suspend the AOC rather than the pilot who was involved in the incident that brought it on. Pure Politics. |
Virgindriver
That is exactly what I was thinking, if you had a couple or 3 C208B's in a pax config...(or maybe just the jump plane config:E) that would be the best all round solution. Of course the not twin/not going crowd would disagree. Have no idea about the economics of the idea though....:eek: J |
pacific flyer
I believe it is good news for the Boys at aerotropics,with a new operator starting hopefully next week.Fresh start and hopefully full employment if wanted by the pilots.I believe CASA has approved this as of today.Good luck to all of you at this uncertain time
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Maybe it's time to start up a Caravan RPT service around the Islands? They might need to clear that landing area on the beach at Badu though, it probably hasn't been used for a while.;) |
Ah, yes. The Badu Island scenic and idylic beach front Caravan park! :} :}
"...with a new operator starting hopefully next week." |
I believe it is good news for the Boys at aerotropics,with a new operator starting hopefully next week.Fresh start and hopefully full employment if wanted by the pilots.I believe CASA has approved this as of today.Good luck to all of you at this uncertain time J:hmm: |
let me guess all the aircraft regos that will be used or at least most of them. First post and all.
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They might need to clear that landing area on the beach at Badu though, it probably hasn't been used for a while |
Nah couldn't be corruption. It only took two days to get approval for another operator. It only took 30 days for CASA to issue Check approval to the new CP so he could get on with fixing the company. Oh yeh they suspended the AOC 2 days later citing shortcomings in the training, supervision and skills of pilots. Nah couldn't possibly be corruption!
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The latest i heard was that Barrier Aviation is taking over.
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UZU, Cape York Air.
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Barrier Aviation
Isn't Barrier Aviation owned by an ex CASA FOI? Hasn't said ex FOI had several other company's go broke? Who remembers Cairns Jet Centre?
Interesting!!! |
Geeee if thats the case, it should be a 4Corners story.
GA in FNQ is quite a thing! |
Front Left,
You are going to make enemies on pprune quick smart trying to trash this man, I have worked for him in the past, as have many many others here, he is a very capable pilot and the most honest businessman I have ever dealt with. Let me assure you no persons identity on PPRUNE is secret, refer Mr Smith V's TACAN400, tread carefully. Wish there were more like him in our industry. Joshua Cox 0428 241 105 |
Lefthanded_Rock_Thrower
There are also others on here who would strongly disagree with you. I spent enough years in FNQ to know exactly which camp I belong to concerning said person. As for his abilities as a pilot, you won’t get an argument from me. |
LRT
you seem to know a bit, how does the AOC get done so quick? Sure BA seem to have the equipment and are reputable, but even with that how does it get through in days. Some folk take months or more. Had they been on the process of getting it for a long time and the timing was fortunate, like VB when AN fell over. J |
i heard west wing.
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yeah coco you forgot UZU . . . Or did you forget. Well, Uzu probably had the right idea a few years ago but it was pretty hard to compete with all the other "shared charter" operators. The general pax weren't the most reliable either. |
yeah coco you forgot UZU . . . Or did you forget. I was referring solely to that series of recurring air charter operators which were either genetically or incestuously related.......... :} |
Its not BA. CAO 82.0 para 3. requires approval. Still sitting on some CASA desk somewhere. They're determined not to give RL a break by allowing leasing of a/c. Nah Its not corruption, just a vendetta bordering on insanity.
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so what's the federal court's stance on it this time? have they even gone to court?
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Suspension was issued late on a friday. Standard tactic. 5 working days to get to court. With a public holiday - that's next tuesday. 12 days flying lost
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More rumours. Qld Governement considering state of emergency. Some islands without water, telephones, health services. Kids can't get back to school. Aircraft reported doing 'Private' flights in the area moving the general public. Gives you a warm fuzzy feeling to know that the regulator is doing its job eh!.
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Hey Bala,
isn't water usually brought in by the sea swift barge? Yawal... |
its very unfortunate (for the travelling pax) that last time troppos had their aoc suspended was the last school holidays and now again for these school holidays (some of the busiest days of the year).
now with Regional Pacific finishing up operations in the straits as of today it looks like Cape Air Transport (minus an awall PN68) and Barrier to pick up the slack.....busy times ahead |
give RL a break |
Excuse my ignorance unhinged but how is that RL's fault.Sounds to me the PIC should be dipping a little more.
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I'd be interested to know how a new AOC can be issued so fast, usually takes months. Then there is the task of upgrading aircraft to RPT standard, requires a new M/R issue and getting each aircraft individually added to AOC, time consuming too.
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Nicely said LRT.
To many clowns get on here and act as an expert and just bag operaters that they have not worked for. Half these people need to get a life and think about there own flying or operator abilitys before bagging others otherwise we will be reading posts about them. |
but how is that RL's fault.Sounds to me the PIC should be dipping a little more. If companies have a culture of pilots following the rules, then there's enormous group pressure for them to do so. If not, then anything can happen, and usually does. |
Unhinged
Understand where you are coming from in regards to pressure being brought to bear. But at the end of the day, it is YOUR responsibility. I dont know the facts of the company, but, bag the company if they do these things, i have no problem with that and should be reported as such - thats what confidential reporting is for. But if you are stupid enough to take off without enough fuel when it is a two second check, more fool you. Your the one who is dead, not the CEO. |
Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't Westwing been operating Troppo's Shrikes (possibly leasing them?) out of Troppo's Cns office on the mail runs since July? Maybe that is when the AOC application process started? Westwing B200's have been parked near the Troppo's office over the last couple of months as well.
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Two words...Curry Kenny...you heard it here first! :E
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According to Cairns Post today Unusual-Attitude is correct! Apparently CASA to approve things on Monday for SlingAir to come in and operate Troppo's aircraft on Troppo's routes using Slingair pilots. Not sure how accurate that is I guess all will be revealed early next week!
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I had my money on West Wing taking over the reins, good luck to Sling Air.
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