Well Bus,
Don't let me see you carry on and go looking for a shoulder to cry upon like a little girl when AIPA reinvents itself under "the fence sitter" and nothing of an industrial nature gets done.
There will be lots of feel good rhetoric but little else from a stategic point of view, just like the Holt era.:bored:

mppgf

You can't be serious "two glorious leaders"

Apparently some overseas pilots of Australian origin have spoken about contracts to fly the A380 for QF , arriving fully rated and ready to fly approximately 10 A380s that will look like QF aircraft but be wet leased by QF from a QF subsiiary yet to be named, Similar to Singapore Mauritius.
Expect a pay cut on your next EBA..............

Is that why JetConnect has been kept on lifesupport?:bored:

Think about the logic of that statement, why would anyone vote for a paycut, when current rates of pay continue in perpetuity? Scope to fly the A380 perhaps? Only a small percentatage of QF pilot will fly it at any one time, no votes there. Scope on the B787? I don't see the QF ever agreeing to that.
Until the pilots are offered a reason to vote yes, business as usual.

Under work choices, an EBA could be unilaterally terminated by the employer (resulting in the minimum pay rates), but things are changing on that front in Canberra.

Actually, I pay almost no attention to hearsay other than to be mildly amused by most of it, especially when it comes from pilots - one of the most unreliable sources of information on the planet IMHO.

I didn't like the Holt-era either, and voted the "present heirarchy" in based on what they said and implied they were going to do.

My voting intentions in any election are not politically-aligned. They mostly depend on evidence: evidence of results achieved, progress being made, pursuit of constructive policies, making tangible gains, etc. Also those intentions can be affected by the way incumbent leaders or leadership groups present themselves. It didn't bode well for the Holt-era, and none of this bodes well for my next vote on the "present heirarchy" either.

mppgf said:
This was the Longhaul EBA, Shorthaul pilots were not elligible to vote.

There are appoximately 1800 Longhaul pilots.

1662 voted. One vote was invalid.

398 pilots voted YES. :suspect:

1263 pilots voted NO and good on 'em! :D

Rabbitwear ....

The pilots you talk of ( ref the A380) will be welcomed with open arms in Qf .... within the normal seniority system ....

N

careful, you'll have some of the no voters ringing head office and offering to sign awa's mirroring the voted down eba!!

(you all know who you are,:mad: wits)

Fair call Dutch,
I'm actually in agreement with most of what you write.

I've heard that according to the usual mouthpieces on Qrewroom the present incumbents are totally on the nose and they haven't achieved anything.
Well do as I did, find out for yourself and ring Woodeye up and ask him what he's done for Qantas pilots.
Make sure you've got a bit of time to spare because it will be a real eye opener.
I suppose if we were to compare QANTAS IR policy to a large flowing river ,if you choose to go with the flow, so to speak, life can appear quite cosy, until you round that last bend and you are confronted with a huge waterfall. To late to do anything because you didn't notice the river has picked up speed and no matter how hard you try to swim against the current it's just flowing too fast.
On the other hand whilst the river is still flowing at a moderate speed you choose to do the hard yards and swim against the industrial current. Sure progress won't appear as fast as going with the company endorsed flow, but guess what ,at least you won't be barreling over that waterfall and you might just find those greener pastures up river.

I suppose it is also like that Japanese proverb, "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down ".
The usual Qrewroom crowd carry on as though this is a crime. How dare the Union take on the company! We need to engage in more dialogue!
Talk all you like guys for unless what you want is what the Company deems, you can talk for a month of Sundays and all you will end up with is laryngitis.
I suppose that's why AIPA has taken on QANTAS with numberous court actions as a means of gaining that all important industrial leverage which is needed to swim against the Company endorsed current.

Max,

As Kearnsy would say, "You are off with the pixies".

It will be interesting to see if AJ will support a recruitment drive for "Temp Pilots" during your campaign now that GD has almost finished, and how our new board will respond to this commonly used QF trick.

Best of luck guys, you have our full support.

Is he ,What The?
Max actually makes sense to a lot of us mere mortals .
By the way wasn't Kearnsy the trail blazer of the turncoat pack?
Union President one day, management the next!
No man can serve two masters.:ok:

Kearnsey = WALLFLOWER:}

Toolish,
Google it, Glorious Leader that is.

Bug Smasher Smasher,
That is still a higher number than voted yes for the Jetstar eba.:E

ummm... can anyone please post the guts of the EBA here?
ie: %age increase,terms that changed etc.

thanks

Apache.....if your an AIPA member it is all available on the website.

(hint hint)

How long until the next version of EBA 8 comes out to vote on?

Membership to be surveyed.....say about a month.

Negotiators to go back to the company and put the revised demands forward....another month or so.

Costings, etc, posturing, etc, argey bargey....another month or so.

Personally I'd be astounded if we were to vote on a revised offer any time prior to the week or so before Christmas. More than likely we're looking at the new year. That's two years after EBA7 expired.

EBA7++ isn't a solution either. Even with a '5' as the '+' it's not a good solution. All it would do is ensure that we continue to remain industrially irrelevant in the long term plans for the QF group.

Why?

Has this been publically stated by anyone with any real say in the business?

Not just a desperate President trying to sell a rubbish EBA which he now tries to distance himself from and some I.R. people trying to get pilots cheap.

Read the VA thread if you want to see the view of other "professionals" towards pilots. The reality is most are envious of the pilots' position in the company and the fact that they can collectively bargain.

Keg, I implore you, don't fall for the bull**** line that somehow you can overnight become irrelevant. Even if there is massive change there are still aeroplanes to be flown and pilots needed to fly them. Throwing away conditions that have been NEGOTIATED and PAID for over the years on the "promise" of a better future is akin to industrial suicide whilst the Oldmeadows of the world are paid $3m to screw every last cent out of the workers.

The aeroplanes will go where the money is made. The engineers showed that it is commercial lunacy to piss off the people who sign as it would be commercial lunacy to piss off the people who accept and fly.