Now common hosser . Play nice. Thats not quite correct is it?

............."hosser" I was more refering to the major maintenance rather than some walk around. That area is, even tho strained at times something that cannot be skimped on, if it where then the pages here would be all about why our ozzy airliners are falling out of the sky !:)

capt Wally:)

hosser what the...
 

Do you really expect anybody to take you seriously with blatant BS like that?

If thats the level of intellectual opposition Tiger faces in OZ they will surely succeed! :)

I see Tiger OZ is starting more routes in January and now has 4 new A320's on the ramp, with another one rumoured on the way soon. About time their competitors did more than sling mud on PPRUNE if they want to retain some share of the market.

Hosser,

Get with the times man! Baggage crew are trained to close any cargo doors that
need to be opened or closed. Any 'maintenance' item will be supported by John Holland Engineering. Vent your BS somewhere else!

Aerocare carry out the full reciept /departure turnaround at Perth for Tiger ,JHAS on call for any "maint "issues, good luck ringing them ....Tis only a matter of time.............eagerly awaiting an incident...........

Mozza

What a nasty little mind..."eagerly awaiting an incident"....many, many major and minor airlines operate daily all over the world to weird and wonderful ports with contract engineers. It all works.

Keep you snide vitriol for the playground and let professionals get on with it.

Genex ,its not the engineers im worried about its the ground handlers im concerned will cause an incident..
So thanks for your wise and insightfull input....GFYS ..

genex,
MOST of the time................:ugh:

I was only concerned with the "eagerly awaiting an incident" thing....as for outsourcing, as a routine philosophy, it sucks. For one off charters etc, fine of course.

I don't see how you came to that conclusion.........

it is quite common for ground handling companies to provide receipt/dispatch functions, it happens all over the world, i cant see the problem, the crew will soon know if there is a problem and the engineering will be called.

some people cant seem to handle the difference between tiger and all the other start-ups, that being that tiger will last!!! deal with it...

I was closing doors on Qantas aircraft as a catering contractor 10 years ago, hardly ground breaking stuff, nor a threat to safety...:rolleyes:

Opening doors however is left to cabin crew, as they are the only ones who can confirm that slides are de-activated!

There is a page on the ECAM display which shows if the doors are closed and armed. It is also part of the pre start check list. Virgin Blue pilots do preflight inspections on turn arounds.

What's new with Tiger ????

...............oh boy there's some angry people in here, shame aviation brings out the worst in some !:bored:
Look at the end of the day the Capt is totally responsible for the condition of his ship prior to departure. He has the ultimate job of deciding who does what. Sure there are SOPS etc to follow & ground staff to do some tasks but I know that I am the only one that can be trusted when it comes to critical items prior to despatch:)
................now can we refrain from being so childish here for some, afterall pilots/engineers are meant to be professionals, shame we don't get paid as such !:bored:

CW:)

Howard - quite the opposite in fact. CC opening doors from the inside is not, nor should be encouraged, lest thou hast fire melting your panties....:=

Geez. Can we all agree that it depends on the aircraft type? I know that for some years the QF 737 crew opened the doors- they may still do- because opening it from the outside wouldn't automatically disarm the door. Compare this with the 767 where the doors are always opened from the outside so that it disarms the door in case the crew stuffed up. It appears from this thread that the DJ 737 crew may in fact open the doors from the inside themselves. More power to them.

Can we move onto something slightly more important? :ugh:

howard is in fact partly correct in that the crew open the door to the "cracked" position from which the ground staff open the door fully...

As someone who has 9 years of "throwing bags" in the past I think I should add some points.

Firstly, being a baggage handler does NOT automatically mean you are a hairy neanderthal. You would be surprised at the diversity of skills out there on the ramp. Ex sparkies, trades of all kinds. My team at Impulse many years ago now had 11,000 hrs flight between us, a few had turbine time. I myself threw bags till I had 1500 hrs.

I did everything from the honey cart to pushbacks, reciept and despatch + trims in my time. Its all no big deal if you have the required training. Any one on the ramp with more than a couple of years experiance will very quickly spot anything that doesnt look right, as long as engineering backup is close at hand.

As for the old hands, you would be quite surprised at their level of knowledge. You dont spend 20 years in the game and not learn a thing or two.

Agree with most sentiments posted regard ground handlers with experience, but knowing the turnover of Aerocare staff in the port at which I work anyone with more than 12 months experience on the ramp is very,very rare, working around aircraft and the knowledge of a trained and licenced LAME is vastly different, but good luck to aircrew that are happy for that level of experience to operate the r/d ..Once again JHAS have good personel for the job and it seems this is the way airlines are happy to operate (nil engineering coverage or inspections).
Love seeing the crew run around the aircraft at night with a AA powered penlight .......JMHO:ugh:

Who really cares who opens what doors, on which aircraft, with what operator? I am surprised how much thread creep there is in D&G, especially with Tiger and Jetstar. Lets close this topic and open a new one :D