How do people usually interpret that in English? Do you mean have I worked other than a pilot? Yes I have.

If you guys think I'm being harsh you had better toughen up. The first day QF tells PAX they have been delayed because of you - you'll hear a lot worse than that. Especially if they have just gotten off from NY in Syd and are expecting a connecting flight that has been cancelled.

Puss-A-Frodo, reality is a matter of the clarity of mind. Is the glass half empty, or half full?

Antisplash. In answer to your question stated below.

Can Q use scabs who haven'y been LAME induction coursed? or Local area inducted? we do those things and if we don't they can't be in the area legally. It would be in violation of their own rules. The very rules that have stopped use gaining quals and raising ourselves.:E

No they can't. They have to comply with all policies and procedures.:)

enjoy your flight paf,may it be your last ,so our poor cc dont have to put up with a head on a stick

Easy question. It depends on the last change of state. If the last change was adding to the glass it's half full; if the last change was to drink or take from the glass it's half empty. Geez is that the best you have? :rolleyes:

P.A.F. is a troll
 

To never be afflicted by P.A.F's comments again.
Click on "User CP" Top of the page L/H side.
On the page left had side is a list of links.
Bottom of the list is..
"Buddy / Ignore Lists"

Cut and paste P.A.F. name into the ignore list and you will never see his ignorant stirring rantings again.

:ok:


Gooooone !!!!

For my last retort to PAF.
I have been abused many times before by pax, even from people whom just got off a plane from N.Y. when I was doing my job to the best of my ability without any bans in place.
At least now the pax will be justified in their rudeness.
Which will make a nice change :yuk:

Actually that serves me well. That way you don't see and won't respond to what I say. Everyone else will see my posts without your crazy union talk in response. I love it! :ok:

Even better, when people do the entire conversation will seem disjointed. You'll say things that I can debate and you won't respond.

PAF = kiwi ?

Well that goes some way to explaining his attitude. Over the last 20 years in the aviation industry in NZ the staff have only known how to bend one way. Now he wants Australians to do the same because they take exception to their wage going backwards again ?

hah

No Kiwi mate. Australian.

Nice business attitude from Bolty though.

"Pax are always rude" so they deserve industrial action... You wonder why QF won't offer you a pay rise with that attitude. In one single post Bolty has proved why you guys don't deserve a pay rise - if indeed that is the attitude of all you guys. You guys talk about a perceived lack of respect from management yet you have people like Bolty saying that the guys who pay the bills (the pax) "deserve to be delayed".

I don't know many people that would support a pay rise for people like Bolty.

Yes the pax will suffer, yes qf will suffer and yes we will suffer!
However we have tried to negotiate for over a year TO
NO AVAIL.
We have been the target of qf management for years.
Now FOR THE FIRST TIME we are standing up for ourselves,
NOT hiding behind a PIA situation as you would suggest.
IF you have any ideas on how to resolve this then I am all
ears.
no one wants to upset the flying public, however We are not the
ones attacking QF, In case you hadn't noticed they
are attacking us via the xpt and definition of a lame clause.

So per your posts you oviously think that we are not
allowed to stand up for our rights
Wonder how things would be if it was you in the companys sights?
I think you would be taking a WHOLE DIFFERENT LINE THEN

What was your flight number again?


Oh and by the way you have made my evening.
I needed a good laugh

Whats that PAF.
I cant hear you :ok:

You can stand up for you rights. Just don't do it at the Australian populations expense. The *second* you take industrial action you are costing businesses money (other than QANTAS), you are delaying people going to funerals, you are delaying people from disadvantaged backgrounds who have saved 10 years for a holiday. You ruin it. You ruin it. That's what it comes down to. That's what they'll think come the day.

People like Bolty are the main problem here. Ears shut, don't care who they hurt. That's what industrial action does.

Do you think it hurts GD? No.. He's still going to earn millions. Do you think the shareholders will "vote him out" because of your action. No.. They will think you guys are the problem. Do you think the public will support you? No. You delayed them. You are on your own - and will never have any support. How do you think a Labor government got away with breaking airlines?

In fact given the campaign against the current government regarding unions, Mr Rudd would like nothing more than to step on an industry the general public thinks makes a good return.

PAF apparently comes from military background. Just imagine our forces giving up as PAF suggests we should.
He should be held to account for his comments and discharged at once, if he has not already......
What a looser you are.. :mad::mad::mad:

That is great PAF
however I am still waiting to hear your suggestion on how to solve this, I for one am out of ideas .
You can't reason with QF. all they understand is delays. that is it.
And yes Dixon will get his millions.
And yes the public will blame us, we unlike QF don't have a pr
department.
As to the labor gov, if they tell us not to take action then we won't.
Remember we got to this stage via the commission, not in spite of!
So I am all ears

PAF if you don't want to be delayed fly Virgin, Jetstar or some other airline. there is always choice.

The LAMES are choosing to stand up for their rights as they are legally entitled to.

No one here is particularly concerned that a public servant is going to be delayed whilst going on one of his jolllies.

Send your sob story about union bullies to Liberal Party and stop trying to wind up people who are genuinly concerned about their future careers and working conditions.

What a stupid attempt at an analogy.

What you are saying is the military should refuse to operate in area's of operations because they are unhappy with their pay or conditions.

That's not what you meant though is it?

and there is Numbskull living up to his name! You heard it folks. Traveling public don't fly QF. That will help your case for more pay! Less business. :D

Are you back calling uniformed ADF personnel public servants again Numbskull?

Easy ACS. Take the deal or work for someone else. No-one paying better? Well tough. Life wasn't supposed to be a gift of jobs with endless pay rises.

oh and as for:

Yes you do. You're union. It's just that you are asking the traveling public to swallow a t**d. You can't polish a t**d my friend!

go PAF,you start sh!t stirring the day before the IA,go fishing elsewhere,as for the coming delays,IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT FLY WITH ANOTHER CARRIER THE CHOICE IS YOURS,THERE ARE OTHER OPERATORS OUT THERE,QANTAS IS NOT THE BE ALL,(FLY WITH A CARRIER THAT IS NOT IN DISPUTE WITH IT'S WORKFORCE=TREATS THEIR PEOPLE WELL,AND YOU WILL GET TO WHERE YOUR GOING ON TIME):eek:

Answer this conundrum then PAF.
We work in an industry where our presence is required to get aircraft out on time. Any action from us has the potential to make someones trip not go exactly to plan.

When we are being offered a future working contract which is by community standards, below par, how would YOU go about trying to rectify the situation.

Before you go and say 'go elsewhere' what if we don't want to go elsewhere and drive a cab. What if we want to make our workplace fair and equitable as it was about 10 years ago before the current managements agenda has been pursued relentlessly. Not to mention the fact that our skills and qualifications aren't exactly easily transferable to other industries out there.

Your logic so far seems to be just shut up and accept the sh1t sandwich because you'll make people, notably you, late otherwise.

I'm interested in your strategies for success. I'm not expecting anything worth reading but.

So you have no ideas PAF!
Just the suggestion that we work for someone else.
And I am taking it easy
Just so you know working for someone else is a real option.
I am glad to hear of your empathy for the flying public.
I will remember it next time a crew is out of hours.
I would like to ask you one question.
When was the last time that LAME's took industrial action?
You talk like it was an everyday event.
If memory serves it was mid 80's and it was in support
of another QF union.
Possibly yours

You answered your own question. If you don't wish to go elsewhere then suck it up. If you don't wish to go elsewhere the company that is providing the hundreds of millions of dollars required to produce the income to pay your wage has the upper hand.

Then take your money, and money of investors and start a company.

You may not like capitalism but it's the best economic system mankind has ever come up with, you and I have to live with it. I'd like more money for what I do too. I'm not saying you should or shouldn't be paid more. I'm saying take the hand you are dealt. Why? Because your alternative is to hurt hundreds of thousands of other people in ways you will never know. Airlines are about to start coming through the door in Australia. If your wages are not at the correct level you'll lose your job. Think the ALP will save you? Hah!

If the year was 1901 it would be too recent.

I have never been a member of a union (whilst it's illegal for me to be a member of a union now I was not a member when I was able to be) and NEVER will until the day I die. I believe in deontological decision making. Something foreign to you and all union members regardless of trade. (including pilots)

The fact is that I'm not saying you are not worth more money. I am not saying you are worth less money. I am saying you are worth the best deal you can make with a company WITHOUT harming hundreds of thousands if not millions of people.