Hey Scooty,
I didn’t want to name you but you obviously realized that you are one of the guys that need to wake up.
I stand buy what I said. You (the customer) should be just as responsible in a bar or nightclub as you should in an airliner.
With your logic we should not punish the hijackers rather punish security.
I will agree everyone has a job to do but judging whether someone is drunk or not is not that easy especially if the person is not acting up. Cabin crew have enough to do without having to baby sit 300 odd people.
As far as your “Responsible service of alcohol” is concerned, if you have gone any further than Australia you will know that it does not exist in many countries.
Assy
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People like little Scotty love this new age thinking where the individual is not responsible for their actions.

This way they can do whatever they want and blame others for their mishaps.

Final responsibility rests with the miscreant.

I've been p!ssed many times; indeed, sometimes very p!ssed. I've done some silly things when p!ssed - mooned people, thought I could out-run cars on a freeway, etc.

But some little switch deep in my brain has always stayed in place such that I have never thought I could stop cars on a freeway, fly unaided, or open aircraft doors.

I realise that this 'switch' may not operate the same way for all people - but, having attained a certain age, you should have a pretty good idea of how you act when very p!ssed and if you think you might act up, then stop. If that means stopping at the first - or none - then better that, than risk getting banged-up and your name in the paper.

In criminal law, more than one fool has tried to argue that they were not responsible due to being blotto. Such arguments are usually given very short shrift. The exceptions are where there has been some underlying condition (until then unknown to the defendant) which alcohol has then set off, but the defence had want to have some pretty good medical evidence to back such a claim.

There's now a good chance he won't do it again.

For that matter, there's now a good chance a bunch of other people also won't try the same stunt.

I say again:

I fear we have bred a whole generation of infantiles that refuse to take responsibility for their failings.

If you can't handle your drink...guess what?...stop drinking!

If you display anti-social or aggressive behaviour in the real world, be prepared for a kick up the arse...or if you wish to avoid discipline, stay at home with Mommy.

Well said FR. :ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:

Yeah FR I totally agree.

But the sad fact is there is no shortage of people who aren't fully prepared to take responsibility for their own actions.

The point is, an airliner, as evidenced by the severity of the sentence, is not the place to go trying to make a statement on the concept of individual responsibility by allowing the guy to sink piss like it's going out of fashion.

LubedLower happily advocates letting everyone go for it because he's been put out to pasture and doesn't have to deal with it anymore. Onya, Lubed...:rolleyes: But those of us still in the industry don't necessarily want people making their own decisions about whether or not they're gonna get ****-faced on our airplanes.

As for the hostie who fed him all the piss - what's the bet she feels like an idiot too and has been de-briefed accordingly? Why? Because she did not "serve him alcohol responsibly" as she had been trained to do.

Crap. The customer AND the staff need to be a lot more responsible in an airliner than in a bar. Why else did this guy get 12 months in the clink for being an idiot? Do you think he'd the same for threatening to break a window in a pub? Obviously not.

Despite what he says, I don't believe LubedLower is as stupid as he makes out.... I'm all for everyone taking responsibility for his or her own actions and paying the appropriate price.

But when one of the trolley-wallies ignores their responsibilities like the above did, most guys I know would have them walking home.

That is every bit as much about taking responsiblility for an action as with the guy who sank the piss and screwed his pooch. They both need an arse-kicking.