Passenger jailed for inflight threat
 

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...695964270.html

12 months for a drunken threat...fair or harsh?

Interesting to note is was Etihad again:eek:

They let him get pissed, then wonder why he's pissed... :hmm:

So much for responsible service of alcohol :rolleyes:

"Cabin crew members refused to serve him more because of his state..."

Arent they meant to stop before one gets to that state? Like stated, so much for RSA!

Responsible for his own actions
 

He well and truly got what he deserved! :D

Im with you Jenna, I too think he got what he deserved!
An FA is not medically equiped to determine whether or not he should curb his drinking habits, and everyone reacts differently to different levels of alcohol. Besides he could have been served by different FA's at different times. I have seen pi$$ heads approach the galley on international flights to get another "free" beverage, often behaving like school kids at schoolies.
Certainly that was no way to respond when offered a cool refreshing H2O.
Just a theory but........... maybe the sweet young FA didnt want to cop any more abuse from an ugly, arrogant, smelly passenger. So maybe she was thinking if she gives him just one more, firstly he will leave her alone (and take his smell with him) and secondly maybe he might fall asleep also resulting in leaving her alone. Sounds like he was a "real" charmer.
Finally maybe they should have let him open the door so he got sucked out, problem solved,...... Sir, could you please close the door behind you???? Ar$eh0le!!!!! :E

And just how does he plan to get back to AUH? I suspect Etihad will decline to carry him.

And is an Arab country really the best place to get "psychological help for his alcohol problem"?

Then again, pop over to the Kingdom and they'll sort it for you!! :eek:

Isn't it about time that each and everyone of us take responsibility for our own behaviour, rather than trying to blame our own shortcomings on somebody else?

Can't help but think after hearing about this incident and the one a month or so ago where a couple of First Class pax were locked up on arrival in Abu Dhabi after a complaint bya flight attendant that these two incidents point to very inexperienced cabin crew not yet properly equipped to handle what are, let's face it, everyday occurences in any long haul airline. More experienced crew douse down with such incidents without too much fuss and without the police getting involved. (The guy had had EIGHT scotches and wanted more? More experienced c.c. would have turned the tap off a long time before that.)

Some of you people here should really wake up. :confused::confused:
Why is it the cc/barman/waiter etc... responsibility how much you drink or how you act afterwards.
While where at it, lets blame the companies that supply the airlines with all that alcohol as well. Or maybe the farmers that grow the wheat/grapes we make beer/wine with. As far as inexperience goes, how is someone to get some if nobody gives you a chance?
Or maybe we should have a law which forbids alcohol on all flights. That would help all these people who through no fault of their own drink on board act like d*:mad:*heads and then have to abuse the crew when they can’t get anymore.
What an idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:

It's not a bar, cafe or night-club; it's an airliner. Maybe one day someone will point out the difference to you.

I suppose you'd also like everyone to have a gun if they want one??? Individual responsibility and all that crap? :rolleyes:

Markben:

So presumably you will willingly cop abuse from a passenger who is good looking and not smelly?

While you lucky little cabin crew ducks may get a break every twelve hours or so, us poor passengers often have to go the whole miserable 21+ hours plus at least six hours getting poked and prodded by security, immigration and customs without a shower, while squashed into an aircraft like sardines and being served disgusting airline food (with plastic cutlery no less) by disengaged, bored cabin crew whose minds are on their next tropical holiday and what jewelery they are going to acquire (one way or another) next time they are in Dubai.

Of course passengers are bad tempered and smelly - for goodness sake lighten up.

Furthermore, ever heard of a certificate course called "responsible service of alcohol"? Seems like none of you have. Which means that none of you would qualify to hand out drinks in the State of Victoria.

I think a reasonable conclusion is that this case was a lose / lose stupid situation.

Stupid for the passenger, although I can sympathise with wanting to fly as drunk as possible to make the cabin crew look vaguely attractive and perhaps remain unconscious for as long as possible during the flight.

Stupid for the airline and Cabin crew (Assuming that the bloke was sober when he went on board) for demonstrating their incompetence in allowing the gentleman to get himself into this situation in the first place.

Having said all that, maybe I'll fly Etihad in future.

Yes, individual responsibility.... Although in the case of an airliner, as I believe you are intimating, it should be a shared responsibility between the crew as the providers of alcohol, and the pax in question - its not like the crew were taking the alcohol to him and saying "we insist you drink this right now" - the crew should have (quite possibly did? who knows) explained the increased effects of alcohol at altitude and the requirement to drink more water etc, and then equipped with that information the pax can limit his/their drinking amounts to what they know they can handle. Yes it is also up to the crew to refuse alcohol service if the passenger is becoming intoxicated - infact in Australia anyway its the Law that they do - however everyone shows signs of intoxication in different ways. The unfortunate thing too is that pax sitting in a seat on a flight can look quite sober until they stand up and then subsequently fall over - or, as in this case, start/threaten violence and attempts to open cabin doors etc etc.

I don't believe the crew should he hung, drawn and quartered here, nor should they be referred to as "inexperienced" - none of us was on that flight, we are relying purely on information given from the media (and we all know how accurate that usually is), so none of us know the circumstances surrounding this incident nor the experience level of the crew. Were this an aircraft tech incident and all the armchair experts started speculating about (insert relevant tech issue here) or making assumptions as to the experience level of the crew, I can gaurantee there is more than one person who would be jumping up and down, ranting and raving about "amateurs and their MS flight sim hours" etc etc etc...

Ah yes, because the flight crew don't get hassled by security (they are ever so polite and lenient with us - eg "Terribly sorry to inconvenience you, can you please just step through this detector, no don't worry you can bring all your toiletries/water/food etc - I know you have a 20 hour duty in front of you"). We don't actually stay on the aircraft for the entire flight either, we join it half way through via a teleport machine. We also have the luxury of a day-spa onboard where we can shower and get a therapeutic massage, and then we sashay off to a 5 star restaurant where we eat like kings sitting there laughing at the misfortune of the passengers you seem to think we hate so much... :rolleyes:

Who says you have to.... :rolleyes:

Would you listen to yourself, sinala? The crew served him p!ss until he got up and tried to open the door.

I'd like to see you trying to reason with a drunk and explain to him how many standard drinks he's capable of consuming, altitude, Buys Ballots Laws, wtf, etc, etc....... :rolleyes:

The crew should've had their sh!t in one sock and kept track of who was serving how many drinks to which obvious heavy drinkers. That's what they are supposedly trained, qualified, licenced and EXPECTED to do.


I'm sure you'll find a few sorry crew who blew their christmas bonus for bringing shame upon the company.

How do you know that? You weren't there, and the media report does not state that nor does it give any form of time frame for alcohol service. Lets also not forget that if the flight was over Western Australia when this incident occurred, by that stage it would have been inflight for at least 11 hours. Now whilst I certainly don't condone serving intoxicated passengers (or getting them intoxicated in the first place), thats an average of less than one drink an hour.
I do, on a regular basis - with tact, discretion and diplomacy - and before pax get to an intoxicated state. I dont cast any assumptions to the persons drinking ability, nor do I hypothesise on the ground v air equivalent of a standard drink - I just recommend they drink more water and less alcohol than they usually would as people react differently at altitude. Try doing any evening flights east coast to drw/per and you will see people who think they have 4 or 5 solid drinking hours in front of them.
Yes, agreed - and no one here knows what actually happened on that flight. Just because you have the outcome doesn't necessarily mean you can plot the entire path that lead to it.

There is nothing like hypocrisy is there ScottyDoo...

First you call cabin crew old boilers with monotonous regularity then you have a shot at cabin Crew who are probably young and inexperienced because that is what the airlines want now.

Do you want cabin crew with experience to know when someone is going to be a problem or do you want young ones with no experience and are there because they will take the lowest pay packet offered and look great at their age?


Do you let pilots with 2 hours flying experience captain a wide body aircraft?

C'Mon Little Scotty which do you want....You can't have it both...use that grey matter in your head and think for once

The guy was an ass!! But 12 months?!! sheeeeesh! way way over the top!:eek:

Don't forget he did threaten to "Bring Down" the aeroplane.

LetsGoRated...The purpose of a sentence is not only to punish but also to deter others from thinking it would be fun to do the same.

The sort of person that would do this is not the sharpest pencil in the box and there has to be some sort of punishment that makes them realise that this type of behaviour is not going to be tolerated.

Normal people do not do this type of thing, it is appropriate that it is dealt with.
For our peace of minds, there has not been a big jet made with a door that can be opened when A/C pressurised, for a long, long time if ever. They will only crack open when depressurised to vent smoke if in a dire emergency.
:p

Thanks short circuit I didn't know that as SLF, so I'm a bit happier with that knowledge. As to the incarcerated future AA gentleman, well you should stand by your actions. Plenty of people drink lots and don't do things that scare everyone else, may be indicative of other issues..

Hey Scooty,
I didn’t want to name you but you obviously realized that you are one of the guys that need to wake up.
I stand buy what I said. You (the customer) should be just as responsible in a bar or nightclub as you should in an airliner.
With your logic we should not punish the hijackers rather punish security.
I will agree everyone has a job to do but judging whether someone is drunk or not is not that easy especially if the person is not acting up. Cabin crew have enough to do without having to baby sit 300 odd people.
As far as your “Responsible service of alcohol” is concerned, if you have gone any further than Australia you will know that it does not exist in many countries.
Assy
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People like little Scotty love this new age thinking where the individual is not responsible for their actions.

This way they can do whatever they want and blame others for their mishaps.

Final responsibility rests with the miscreant.

I've been p!ssed many times; indeed, sometimes very p!ssed. I've done some silly things when p!ssed - mooned people, thought I could out-run cars on a freeway, etc.

But some little switch deep in my brain has always stayed in place such that I have never thought I could stop cars on a freeway, fly unaided, or open aircraft doors.

I realise that this 'switch' may not operate the same way for all people - but, having attained a certain age, you should have a pretty good idea of how you act when very p!ssed and if you think you might act up, then stop. If that means stopping at the first - or none - then better that, than risk getting banged-up and your name in the paper.

In criminal law, more than one fool has tried to argue that they were not responsible due to being blotto. Such arguments are usually given very short shrift. The exceptions are where there has been some underlying condition (until then unknown to the defendant) which alcohol has then set off, but the defence had want to have some pretty good medical evidence to back such a claim.

There's now a good chance he won't do it again.

For that matter, there's now a good chance a bunch of other people also won't try the same stunt.

I say again:

I fear we have bred a whole generation of infantiles that refuse to take responsibility for their failings.

If you can't handle your drink...guess what?...stop drinking!

If you display anti-social or aggressive behaviour in the real world, be prepared for a kick up the arse...or if you wish to avoid discipline, stay at home with Mommy.

Well said FR. :ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:

Yeah FR I totally agree.

But the sad fact is there is no shortage of people who aren't fully prepared to take responsibility for their own actions.

The point is, an airliner, as evidenced by the severity of the sentence, is not the place to go trying to make a statement on the concept of individual responsibility by allowing the guy to sink piss like it's going out of fashion.

LubedLower happily advocates letting everyone go for it because he's been put out to pasture and doesn't have to deal with it anymore. Onya, Lubed...:rolleyes: But those of us still in the industry don't necessarily want people making their own decisions about whether or not they're gonna get ****-faced on our airplanes.

As for the hostie who fed him all the piss - what's the bet she feels like an idiot too and has been de-briefed accordingly? Why? Because she did not "serve him alcohol responsibly" as she had been trained to do.

Crap. The customer AND the staff need to be a lot more responsible in an airliner than in a bar. Why else did this guy get 12 months in the clink for being an idiot? Do you think he'd the same for threatening to break a window in a pub? Obviously not.

Despite what he says, I don't believe LubedLower is as stupid as he makes out.... I'm all for everyone taking responsibility for his or her own actions and paying the appropriate price.

But when one of the trolley-wallies ignores their responsibilities like the above did, most guys I know would have them walking home.

That is every bit as much about taking responsiblility for an action as with the guy who sank the piss and screwed his pooch. They both need an arse-kicking.