REX advertising O/S
 

Found this just a minute ago.....

http://www.aviationjobsearch.com/emp...16&vacID=76459

Tis a shame when they wont touch lots of qualified pilots in the industry in Australia. I know of heaps including me that they wont touch, even with phone calls to Sandy, and emails to said person. Cant even get a look in. Never mind, both majors contacted me the last 2 weeks, Rex didn't want me, but maybe VB or Jet* do.

I like the part about "This is an ongoing vacancy"

They sure got that right!

This one has been on the horizon for a while and now it has moved closer.

Perhaps we can expect the following soon, and not just for the regionals ......

'Welcome aboard folks for **** flight 1234 Wagga to, sorry Wagga Wagga, to Sid-e-ney.
Your Captain today is Chuck and the S/O is Mohammed.
We look forward to transporting you to your destination where we understand that the footy finals are being held in the MCG as soon as the cricket finishes. We trust that you enjoy your flight. The weather over the Rockies, sorry, Great Divide, looks good and we expect to be on time.
For those transfering to Chicago, sorry, Bris-bane, please check with the desk at the top of the walkway, and have a good day'.

A sign of things to come.

You guys need to listen to yourselves......:rolleyes:
The amount of Ozzies flying around in the big bad world has to be seen (and heard) to be believed.
Who decided that companies should only search internally for suitable candidates? are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that because REX is an OZ company that it owes Oz pilots a job before any other suitable and legally able to work candidates?

Smart move by Rex. Find pilots who want to live in Oz. Sponsor their immigration or work visa. Stitch them up, so they have to stay in the job for a set time. Cut turnover and training effort. They don't even seem to want over-qualified pilots any more. The locals shouldn't whinge, as plenty of jet jobs on the horizon.

haughtney1, absolutely. First pickings must go to Australian residents... but the problem is the 'lack of suitable candidates' due to the companies (all of them) refusal to provide incentives to retain and attract the suitable and very experienced candidates throughout Oz. :ugh:

Bring in foreigners, put them on an AWA and pay them less. That'd be a smart move! :eek:

Sorry thats Horsesh1t...if you want those rules...then perhaps the ozzies working overseas should have the same rules applied? you can't have it both ways:=
Gone are the days of local jobs for local people...get used to it, or get into another industry :=

Haughtey...that is complete bollocks.

Most countries have a requirement to have residency, or at least a work permit - and you know it.

(Did they just give you a job in the EU or do you have an EU passport or right of residency eg Of Great Britain descent??)

Why should Australia open it's labour market to the world? These guys can't find crews because no one suitable is available.

They can't find them because:

1. They are cheapskates and won't pay enough to retain people.

2. Their recruitment system can't even find the applicants on their files with more than adequate qualifications (eg 1500hrs+ command on one of their aircraft type).

Recruiting from overseas is not a panacea.

Look within - before you look without.

In my experience the same rules do apply (locals first for the jobs) overseas. Its just that many countries, certainly in asia and the far east cannot crew there aircraft with locals alone, even if there minimum entry criteria is a CPL only and no commercial experience. These companies sometimes have to pay handsomely for foreign contract pilots to attract away from there home shores. Thats why there are many Aussies flying overseas!!!. I have no doubt that if these countries had a ready supply of there own crew, then foreign pilots would be let anywhere near one of there aircraft!!!!

Haughtney1 is absolutely right, and the most of the rest of you are hypochrites.

You want Oz airlines to only recruit ozmates, but when the hordes of Aussies head off to Europe and take British/Irish/French jobs (to name just a few of the countries infested with expat ozmates), that is fine! Talk about a double standard.

The news may not have reached the aviation backwaters of the South Pacific yet, but aviation is a global market these days, and that includes pilots. If you have (or can get) the appropriate licence, your abilities are in demand in many countries. I am not surprised that REX are looking overseas, they are wise to do so... best way to get pilots that are both skilled and experienced, and want to stay there.

Best thing for Euro pilots would be to send all the Aussies home... of course that would end recruitment in oz for years.

Citizenship and work permits are two-way streets, and the rules usually bend pretty easily when required by a labour shortage. Just as it should be...

Oh, and have some of you ever considered that the reason that you haven't been contacted by companies like REX, is because they have looked at your CV and references... and found you wanting?

If the Europeans didn't need those vermin 'Ozmates' in Europe to fly their planes - they wouldn't be there flying them - period.

REX are finished....I say again REX are finished...

These pricks continue to try everything other than pay guys more....:mad::mad:

Well. guess what....now it's too late and they are looking o/s,

Who in their right mind is going to come here and get paid $45000 to be an F/O on a clapped out old saab!!!

The only place I can think of is india.....good luck!!!

I recommend all REX pilots reading this double your efforts to get out before the doors shut.....

Storm in a Teacup??????
 

Actually guys,

I think the market that REX are trying to poach are some of the Aussie/ Kiwi Pilots already working in the UK/ Europe.

The advertisement clearly states that applicants must have the right to live and work in Australia. As far as I'm aware, DIMA have deleted 'Aircraft Pilot" from their list of "in demand" skills/ qualifications- which means that REX would have to demonstrate to DIMA that there are no suitable Australian applicants- which as we all know is a load of bollocks.

So based on the above- the only applicants who are going to be elegible for this, are Aussie and Kiwi Pilots already working over there.

And- let's be honest- the sort of T's & C's that REX have on offer make up a part of the reasoning as to why so many of these Pilots moved OS in the first place.

For any concerned parties- I would recommend contacting your local MP and bringing this situation to light. Before you do, try and get some stats on how many professionally Licensed Pilots there are in Australia so that you can supply some credible information.

REX can't legally do this.

2 words boys...........................Supply and Demand

The only reason Australians are employed overseas is Demand exceeds Supply.

Quite simple really hey.:ok:

The only reason I work for CX is that they cannot crew the Aircraft with enough locals, end of story.

So until Australia is genuinely in that position, then not one single person from O/S should be employed. Aussies first I'm happy to say.

That's how the rest of the world do it.

Not too many people here appear to want to hear it, but this is yet another result of the debacle of 1989 - when we first saw instances ofbut the "Wagga Wagga" then was "Sydney" or "Melbourne" and the aeroplanes were somewhat bigger than a Saab.

And I hate to cruel the pitch for those bemoaning the "hordes" of Ozmates now flying in Europe, for even if most of those "Ozmates" have the coarse, barbaric accent of the Antipodes, the fact is, the vast majority (if not all) of them would not be able to work in Europe unless he or she had right of abode in Europe, either by holding an EU passport as well as his or her Oz passport, or by having an EU citizen grandparent, giving him or her right of return.

I was one of "them" who went to Europe eighteen years ago and got all the same "what are you doing here?" grief, the questioners conveniently forgetting the many Brit and European charter pilots (in some cases, THEM***ingSELVES!!!) who damn near tripped over each other in their haste to get out to Australia in 1989 to have a very well paid working holiday, thus ensuring the dispute in Australia would linger on and not be resolved, as it would have to have been if they had stayed away.

Anyone flying for a living in Australia today who says we need to put that year behind us and get on with life (as many seem to do) has to cop this and whatever else is handed out to them in the industry without complaint.

Jet_A_Knight and ACMS, I actually sympathize with your sentiments and in many ways I used to have similar thoughts. Times change, as do labour markets....you guys need to wake up and smell the coffee, the world is a different place to the one you want it to be.
Gearupandorrf makes a valid point, REX are probably trying to poach a few homesick S340 drivers, although if you look on the jobs website you will see that a certain operator is advertising for S340 captains and offering 6000 euros per months, which I doubt REX could compete with.
At the end of the day REX appear to be looking to fill slots with experienced S340 drivers because it is a CHEAPER way to do it.
If the guys are licensed, are legal and capable..then IMHO it doesn't matter if they were born in sh1tkicker USA or donkey fart Tajikastan.

I don't have a problem with Australian guys/girls coming home to take a job. I do have a problem with non-Australian guys/girls coming to Oz and taking jobs we have Australians for at home.

You couldn't get a job in the U.S.
You can't get a job in Europe

If we don't have the Pilot's available then fair enough, but WE DO HAVE PILOTS available to get the jobs.

I'll say it again, the ONLY reason Australians work overseas is because their locals cannot fill all the job positions and Aircraft would be parked. They don't do it because they love Aussies and want to help us.

:ok:

G.A Boy is absolutley right.
Qualified and capable locals should be given jobs over foreigners.
I have had the dis/pleasure of dealing with Sandy, so I know how the phone calls go.
I know for example of a very experienced ex cheif pilot of a former N.T charter company. Used to have around 10 aircraft inlcuding a turbine, so he has some experience. I am pretty sure he flies for the RFDS or air ambulance now on the east coast. He would have the necessary and relevant experience, good guy. And I`m sure there are alot like him who can`t get a look in. One has to ask why?

Rex would not really expect applications from experienced drivers, surely? Anyone in Europe with 1500 hours total and 500 hours on turboprops would expect a direct entry command. By our standards that does not seem very much experience, but over there it is considered OK for left seat of a commuter turbo-prop.
Could the Rex check department cope with that concept?

Surveillance,Rex,Eastern, all clutching at straws. How to continue paying
****e to pilots. Try recruiting overseas,try dropping the minimums, try every
low trick they can think of!
Its not going to work, you morons are all going to have to pay!!!
You want people to work in places like Broome, try a fly in fly out contract.
It works for the mining industry, 120,000 for truck drivers,fly in fly out.
All the clever HR managers will have to explain the eventual leap in pilot
salaries, after all they created it.
The reason you can't get pilots is you have screwed them so much that
the youngin's don't want to fly under your current conditions.
It's called supply and demand, you may have missed the lectures during
your MBA courses. Wankers.

The add in question isn’t asking for foreign pilots to apply, it is asking for “pilots with a right to work in Australia” to apply. As the job of pilot isn’t on the immigration list as a job that is in short supply of suitable applicants the only people who can apply are Australian citizens, Australian permanent resident Visa holders, i.e. through marriage or previous work in Australia and Kiwi’s. At the end of the day expats will only come home and work for Rex if the conditions are competitive to what they are on now or could possibly get in the current environment. I strongly doubt many will bight.

Just goes to show what a crock Minimum experience really is. 12 months ago Rex would have been getting on the "ICUS isn't command" bandwagon now they are advertising for it!

There are Selfish greedy pigs and then there are pilots.

i thnk i am about to get a PPRUN bashing but
Regional Express
SAAB 340 PILOTS
AUSTRALIA
ON APPLICATION

• Civilian licensed pilots able to convert to Australian Commercial or Air Transport Pilot License.
• Command Multi Engine Instrument Rating;
• Able to obtain Civil Aviation Safety Authority Class 1 Medical Certificate;
• Minimum of 800 hours total flight time;
• Minimum of 350 hours command or ICUS flight time on multi-engine aircraft under the I.F.R;
• Able to obtain right to work in Australia. For further information visit www.rex.com.au or email

This doesnt seem too hard to achieve.... if they are paying 45k pa for someone with only these mins then i think they will have a great chance to fill the position with aussie pilots...

you people having a bitch about their pay conditions.... dont work for em... simple. If you think you are worth more than 45k pa then look for a higher paying job...

someone with these hours are people that have been instructing or in a smaller charter company that will love 45k per year to drive a SAAB.


You people that are bitching about the conditions and pay at REX how many hours do you have? more..... less....... what are you conditions like at the moment.... do you have a job..... or are you waiting for the bus to arrive.....

Not saying you are but there are people here that are still waiting for the bus to arrive.

"Bizzybody"
Thats fine buddy but try living in a major city on 45k with a family .(try Sydney for example)
Economically it does not add up regardless how much you love aviation.
There are plenty of pilots out there that would love to fly for REX but just couldn't afford to.


Regards The Dog

I have a good friend that has about 1000 hrs with 400 to 500 multi. he would LOVE to join Rex. But he is currently earning 70k working in another industry. With a young family why the hell would he want to get paid 45k for the opportunity to fly a SAAB340B.
So he wont be taking up his dream to work for an airline. He can't afford to.


And I'll bet he is not alone.

45K to fly a SAAB????????? you must be kidding Rex.

Haughtney1,

I think you'll find that companies can only import workers with DIMMA's approval, for this to happen the company has to prove there are no ozzies that can do the job.

That is relatively difficult, it is pretty much the same worldwide, you can only import workers when there are no locals qualified, which there may infact be in this case.

Rex Management are hoping like hell that this situation will "correct" itself sooner rather than later. Unfortunately for them I think it will be a long time coming.

In the meantime, they will be parking airframes, destroying their plans for expansion and cancelling services. All because of a philosophical and almost manic resistance to even consider improving the T&C's of their most valuble resource.

Bizzybody is right. If you don't like the cr@p money, don't take the job. If you are disillusioned working for REX, move on, there are lots of greener pastures out there.

As there is no real prospect of replacing many of them, management will suddenly sit up one morning and say "what the f#@k happened!

Defies logic!

Been with Rex/Kendell 7 years
 

REX
They pay very well...! ($82,000 to fly a 34 seater Saab)
I can quite easily live on that out of Adelaide (double the average earnings)
If you can't accept the fact that just because you have a PASSION for aviation then it's your birth right to earn big dosh, then Rex and most of Oz Av companies these days will fob you.
Life does not revolve around a "pilot".
We go to work because we enjoy the fact that we are operating aeroplanes.
Some Jet, some Turboprop, some C210.
How many of you have engineering degrees?
Rex needs to to look further (abroard) because it can't sit still with almost 10-20 pilots handing in resignations/mth.
Rex is a wonderful company to work for...
:ok:Ben

Bravo!!!!
 

very well said Metro!!!!!!!


Bizz

Gee Whiz
Assuming it's true I didn't see the quoted resignation rate of 10-20 per month anywhere in their ads.
Might encourage anyone with half a brain (or more) to ask WHY do so many leave??

Nice post Metro 36 - eventually the moderators will get up a "tongue in cheek" smilie up and running so any subtelty of posts can be clarified, for the time being.. :ok:
(or is "tongue in cheek" too regional for Pprune?? just asking.)

Where are these 10-20 rex pilots going to? QF, VB, J*?????? Or O/S?

What a useless topic.

Most of you guys need to wake up to the fact that there are as many aussies working abroad,flying mr ''Mohamed's'', ''Chan's''or ''Nigel's'' around the world,so tone down the Xenophobic outlook and get out a bit more.

Thanks to TITAN404 for pointing out the obvious,because had the topic starter read the add properly,then he wouldn't have started the topic in the first place.

Right to be in Aus is a prerequisite.............

:confused:Metro36,

Not quite sure how to take your post?

galdian I believe is alluding that you are taking the p$ss! But I'm not so sure. If your post is being subtle, then it may be a tad too much.

If you are fairdinkum, then I really can't believe what I'm hearing. I've been with said company a lot longer than your 2 or 3 year stint previously with Kendell, and I can tell you now, I have never seen anything as bad as this.

Untill recently, the increase in salary for a regional F/O moving on to the lowest paying Jet airline job was around 60%. Now as the larger carriers start scambling for the few remaining "suitable" candidates, the increase is nearing 100%! If REX does not move quickly to redress this balance they will be scr#wed.

It won't be such a great place to work when you are demoted back to F/O as the cutback in services start to bite. And don't think it can't happen, I've seen it before.

Life does not revolve around a "pilot". The ability to provide a reliable and safe airservice however does.

It's people like you who undervalue our profession that has led in part to the crisis that we now face.

After more than 22 years in this business, I still have as much passion and love for the job as when when I first started. But when we see professional aircrew earning less than street sweepers (and yes I have swept streets in the past), then a reduction in safety and reliability can only follow.

If your post is tongue in cheek, please accept my appologies.

You guys should try living in perth, 60,000 is the average wage, average house price 530,000, Skilled labourers, sparky's, plumbers etc all in high demand charging accordingly. Most of them wont get out of bed for less than $500 a day. What I think alot of posters are getting at is the fact that pilots are now becoming in high demand, why then are we not holding out to push up our worth.
People will come back with the old " I love flying, I can accept 45,000 a year" , this guys and gals is not a job its a hobby.
My brother loves his job, hes an electrician, doesnt stop him charging $750 a day.

JarJar

Thanks jarjar,

my point exactly

keep racing to the bottom boys.

geez you sell yourselves short.

I know I know, we love our hobby ( job ) and don't really need money, just give me a shiney new Jet and I'll fly it for lunch money ( McDonalds )


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Metro36

I totally disagree with you.....$86000 for a Captain is a disgrace..

I take you have worked your ass off like many others to get to the left hand seat, and these scum bags pay you this rubbish.

I have worked for REX and couldn't wait to get out...My debt level was raising working for them....and the conditions, well we all know about that..

REX continue to post record profits and do nothing to retain there crew numbers, natural attrition, I think not..:mad::mad:


Metro36, I suggest you do your very best to get out of this two bit operation before you no longer have a job to go to...They are screwed my friend, I know of at least 40+ people leaving before the end of the year and I doubt they will be able to replace them...and VB/JQ/QF/TGR are only just starting there massive recruiting drives!!!

R.I.P REX......................................................:ok :