Here here Remoak.......I'm starting to think people can't see the wood for the bloody tree's
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No, they live in their own private little universe over there. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
I particularly like the "REX won't give me what I want, therefore REX is going to fail" logic. Priceless. |
sick'em REX
Yep,
I know quite a few in the same boat as you. I can't work out what these employers are thinking. Sounds like a GA operation. Maybe your application form has fallen behind the beer fridge at REX headquarters or got lost in the back of the chief pilots 1974 toyota crown. MC |
Take ya hand off it, Remoak.
It's a world market now Ryanair and Easyjet figured this one out years ago, which is why they have so many Eastern Europeans in their ranks now. smug Aussie wannabes who think it is their birthright to waltz into a highly-paid commuter job are in for a shock. Go try and get a job at Fedex without U.S Citizenship or 5 years residency - see if they think that aviation employment is a global market. The reality - that you and a couple of other posters don't get - is that no nation is obligated to open its labour market to foreigners. Unless they have to. I doubt you have your job wherever it is on the basis of a foreign passport and no residency or employment right - otherwise the government of wherever-the-fukc-you are would have you deported. My final quote, from our hallowed :rolleyes: Prime Minister, The Hon. John W. Howard: We will decide who comes to this country, and the circumstances under which they come. |
One thing is for sure, most Aussie pilots wildly over-value their worth. Most are still thinking in pre-89 terms. VB commenced the pay for endorsement, low salary jet scale slide in Australia as a confidence trick by JR who used his mates from O/S to get the company "off the ground". Now, even they have had to meet the market with new FO's starting on $93,000 and Captains up around $180,000. The issue with Rex, M@c@ir, Skippers, NJS etc is that they have not realised that unless they become attractive they will be parking aircraft. That is the reality. I always come back to the mining sector, do you think they want to pay people $120,000 pa to drive a truck or even $70,000 to wash the dishes? No, they know they have to or the labour will move to a more attractive area. Traditionally flying has been seen as a sexy career and so less inducement has been required, we have now found the bottom and guess what people do not want to be pilots anymore...http://casa.gov.au/fcl/fcl_req.htm 2008 Year of the Australian Pilot |
Interesting to see that the number of ATPL holders has not increased in 5 years.
I bet there are a lot of baby boomers ready to retire. The sh#t will hit the fan then!! |
You are WRONG. Employment is a protected market. Unless there is a skill-set shortage allowing immigration of people with the required skill set. Not so in this case in Australia. I would hazard a guess that these Eastern Europeans are citizens of E.U states, and have the appropriate right of work & abode in the E.U. It IS a BIRTHRIGHT. It's the same around the world. Citizens are given first shot at local employment -everywhere - PERIOD. is that no nation is obligated to open its labour market to foreigners. Unless they have to. We will decide who comes to this country, and the circumstances under which they come. Your error is in assuming that the Howard government would not open the doors to foreign pilots if the need arose, because he has clearly stated that he reserves the right to do so. Your quote cuts both ways. I have no doubt whatsoever that foreign pilots would be invited into Oz if the regionals could not recruit the people they wanted, in the same way that Australia actively recruits overseas for many other professional occupations - doctors, nurses, etc. They end up with residency (if they want it), and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it - that is the way international employment really works. I doubt you have your job wherever it is on the basis of a foreign passport and no residency or employment right - otherwise the government of wherever-the-fukc-you are would have you deported. So you are wrong on that one, too. |
remoak - Who does own most of Darwin then (and what exactly do you mean by Darwin)?? Having lived there for a fair few years it seemed to be more ocker than any of the big Capitals, what with the local Squatocracy and all.
I don't think Rex will really ever have it together enough to get through the lengthy and involved (not to mention costly) process of sponsoring flight crew through the immigration process. It could be done but given the resources planning and forethought required, I don't see Rex doing it in any great numbers given their demonstrated general inability to organize a root in a brothel.:E I think Rex were just going on a fishing exercise. |
remoak.................I live in the real world and I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt that the ONLY REASON COUNTRIES EMPLOY FOREIGN PILOTS IS THEY HAVEN'T GOT ENOUGH OF THEIR OWN
SUPPLY AND DEMAND I'd guess by your location that you've done pretty well off the Australian tax payers back. "Pilot jobs in Australia for Australians". We will decide who comes to this country, and the circumstances under which they come. amen:ok: brother |
Remoak
Thanks for dismantling my arguments. Perhaps when you find a real command in aviation, on real pay, for the quarter of a century that I have. You might see the stupidity of both your argument and assumptions. As a pilot you should rejoice, that finally we are getting some bargaining power again. Its been 18 years since any talk of pay rises and shortages have been so apparent. I lament for those that follow, including you, so why shoot yourself in the foot. If your lucky, things will lift enough to recover our great industry. Where those that produce the profits again benefit fully. Its not wishful wannabee dreaming, its reality. There are manning problems worldwide, even you might make some decent money before you finish. Its not about being owed a better deal, it's about not getting screwed by rapacious airline managers. Are you one? |
ACMS
I live in the real world and I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt that the ONLY REASON COUNTRIES EMPLOY FOREIGN PILOTS IS THEY HAVEN'T GOT ENOUGH OF THEIR OWN I'd guess by your location that you've done pretty well off the Australian tax payers back. We will decide who comes to this country, and the circumstances under which they come boofta Perhaps when you find a real command in aviation, on real pay, for the quarter of a century that I have. that finally we are getting some bargaining power again things will lift enough to recover our great industry. Airline manager? Nah. Just a pilot with some additional responsibilities. Happily reaping the benefits of a shortage of drivers on my particular type. Supply and demand, you see... |
remoak mate
youv'e just discredited everything that you have posted about the Australian industry, if you havnt worked here, p*ss off to another forum, you have no idea about the current state of the industry. As my pappy used to say "It is better to be thought a fool, then to open ones mouth and remove all doubt"... you remoak are a fool JarJar |
So we are now using the Irish as an example of "worlds best practice"
oh brother:( Your handle says "south pacific" you probably come from some despot regime in the area that relies on handouts from the Australian tax payers. Bob Hawke is a totally different animal to John Howard. |
Why oh why do some on here resort to personal attack, rather than face the reality of the situation?
ACMS...a bit of the pot calling the kettle black with this comment Your handle says "south pacific" you probably come from some despot regime in the area that relies on handouts from the Australian tax payers. As my pappy used to say "It is better to be thought a fool, then to open ones mouth and remove all doubt"... you remoak are a fool As for industry knowledge...the Oz industry is FAR from unique, yes it has its own idiosyncrasies, but fundamentally it is virtually identical to the industry as a whole. The real problem that the naysayers on here appear unwilling to accept is that despite you venting your spleen, the name calling, the bluster, and the moronic blinkered personal attacks.....Rex will continue to search for suitable employees overseas, because it suits them to do so. If the views of ACMS and Jarjar are respresentative......then I'd be doing the same thing. And yes I've worked in the industry in Oz:ok: |
Personel attack hey, so your saying in 1200 odd posts, youve never said anything slightly negative about another poster. The australian industry has changed significantly over the last 12-18 months, if your not working here, then you should keep your mouth shut.
As far as posting rubbish, mate some of your posts are the most unintelligent dribble on these forums. lots of love JarJar |
Personel attack hey, so your saying in 1200 odd posts, you've never said anything slightly negative about another poster. The Australian industry has changed significantly over the last 12-18 months, if your not working here, then you should keep your mouth shut. Point two...so you are saying those that are outside the issue have no right to comment? if so please give me one compelling reason why? Newsflash Jarjar, the Oz aviation industry is a small and quite insular sector, it is however not very different to everywhere else..... Maybe you could explain your position a little more clearly, rather than just throw your verbal weight around? |
jarjar
if you havnt worked here, p*ss off to another forum As it happens, I do hold an aussie professional licence as well as one from the other country that you are apparently not aware of. You don't have to work in a particular country to recognise stupidity when you see it. ACMS you probably come from some despot regime in the area that relies on handouts from the Australian tax payers. BTW Ireland is now the richest nation in the EU and miles ahead of Australia when it comes to industrial relations. You two epitomise the two outstanding D&G aussie qualities: 1) play the man, not the ball whenever possible 2) When you cannot come up with a reasoned response to an argument, do (1) Now if you have any actual sensible thoughts to contribute... otherwise, do the thingsyou suggested i do |
As my pappy used to say "It is better to be thought a fool, then to open ones mouth and remove all doubt"...
Hey jarjar I think you should take some of your pappys advise!! You have made some ridiulous posts. |
Skilled Migration to Australia
The Employer Nomination Scheme allows Australian employers to sponsor employees in an eligible occupation, who are foreign nationals, for a permanent visa to work in Australia.
An eligible position must meet the following requirements: - be full-time - be permanent and ongoing - meet all relevant Australian award requirements - be a highly skilled occupation that is on the Employer Nomination Scheme Occupation List (ENSOL) Pilots are included on the Employer Nomination Scheme Occupation List. For those that are interested more detailed information is available on the Department of Immigration Website. |
"Pilots are included on the Employer Nomination Scheme Occupation List."
Well, that may change due to the events of the last few weeks! At the very least you can expect severe restrictions for applicants originating from the Middle East and/or the Sub-Continent. haughtney 1, REX aren't searching for applicants overseas because it suits them, they have simply run out of other ideas. Not that they had that many ideas to start with. As far as any real strategy to deal with this crisis, the only thing REX and in that case most other employers in OZ have ever done is to go to the next resume on the pile. Oh oh!! the pile is almost empty. Some "Rocket Scientist" decided to look overseas for whoever may be dumb enough to come to Sydney and work for 45K a year. Meanwhile the absolute cream of experienced crew are inexorably bleeding away to other operators who are saying, "thankyou very much". Rex are simply clutching at straws! |
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