Munt,

Mate I think you misread me; I was talking about taking on 772ERs to do current 744 runs. I would agree that non-ER 772s wouldn't have the range to take on long 744 runs.

Hence BA are running 772ERs to Sydney.

I'm not sure the 333 has the legs of a 772ER, does it? I agree it's a fine aircraft for - let's call them 'long mid-range' - runs.

I'm thinking of something you could put on (say) Brissy-LAX and fill running 2 donks, rather than something running 75-80% with 4 donks; I agree that it is pretty well sized for runs out of middle-sized markets (eg. Perth, Brisbane, Adelaide) - that point-to-point stuff is what it was made for, after all. The 772ER-as-744-killer comes into its own where you do not need 380-400 seats on a long run but could reliably fill 300-350.

If I were Borghetti I would use the 777s on Syd - Pek, Akl - Lax and the soon to be announced Pvg-Lhr

The spare 744 used on a daily Bne - Hkg connecting to the soon be announced Frankfurt

The spare 330s can then be used to increase the Mel - Hkg services.

With the spare 744ers Sydney - Beunos Aeris and Daily Joburg.

Actually that's a point - could 777s (or any twin) do direct Sydney - Jo'burg and Buenos Aires? Don't those tracks swing a bit far south for ETOPS?

Syd-Joburg in a twin ..... I'd be very surprised if they could - at least not on the tracks the 744 flies. Probably the same for EZE as well. As an example, you pass about 1800 nm S of Perth flying Westbound, and go up to 64S (some may have flown further South) and over the Polar ice pack. I've seen Heard Island several times (and that is about 58S).

You are a very long way from anywhere.

I'm sure that an ETOPS track exists, but I'd guess it would severely impact the payload, given prevailing winds and weather requirements etc in JNB. Almost certainly, a service via Perth would be a better alternative for a twin.

Rgds

N

No money for 777s.
 

I'm going to be a party pooper here, but third hand via a person who doesn't work for Qantas the board refused funding for a package involving 777s. Says there is a big panic going on over the existing new orders. Methinks a big panic over how to keep the existing fleet flying would be the go, but its a rumor and this is a rumor board.

The Panic
 

Too many aircraft?
Not enough aircraft?
The wrong type of aircraft?
Can you elaborate.....?

The panic
 

My take on the info is that with $36 billion worth or whatever the figure is on order already Leigh Clifford freeked and read the riot act. Sounds like the steep learning curve for the mining industry bovver boy is underway, but the lesson on why we need new jets really urgently hasn't been delivered, or listened to. I wonder if he also kyboshed the earlier claim by Dixon that he was getting six new A330s.

Virgin Blue is suffering for the same reasons. It is run by a major shareholder that doesn't want to be there, but has its arse on fire because the rest of the trucking, shipping, wharfing business is also seriously impacted by high fuel, something the morons who get quoted in the media don't seem to have cottoned on to.

Bad Hat, don't edge him on........

This is becoming the rumour that will never die. It just came back around again. This time one of the contracts people for Boeing has congratulated a management pilot on the contract just finalised for 15 777s.

Standard disclaimers about sources and seeing aircraft pushing back from the terminal on first revenue service apply.

what happened to the townsville refueler?

If there is some substance to the rumour that Keg posted, then my long term conclusion is that Boeing has offered a very good deal to provide an interim capacity until Boeing makes the B787-10 available. This would stop Qantas buying the A350XWB while solving Qantas' short term capacity problems. As Boeing is designing the B787 flight deck to be a seamless transition for B777 rated pilots, it is possible for CASA to approve a dual B777/B787 endorsement for the duration of both types remaining in QF service. It certainly would be welcomed by mainline pilots. :D

Yet another aircraft type to use one of your precious 2/3/4 TTRs (or whatever they're bloody called!!!) :yuk:

Apparently there will be some sort of announcement in the next day or so. QF is already trying to get 777 sim time from some of our northern neighbours.
15 huh? Didn't Joyce say that the first 15 787's were going to Jetstar? Watch this space I guess.

Unless GE Capital are supplying them with some of the 19 x 300ER's in a 3 class config they have on order and not designated to a customer, it is a bit hard to come up with 15 units.

Disclaimer: Data as of yesterday.

Don't ask how I know....:suspect:

Of course things change quickly so lets see how Keg is going with the inside news from QF.

J:ok:

A certain QF management pilot was telling the troops a week or so ago that the 777's were back on the horizon.

MC:8

Maybe now that Mr."B777's are old technology" is finally leaving some common sense will prevail? (even if it IS years too late!!!) :ugh:

Geeeeeeee Zussssssss ! take your hands off it all you 777 Whisperers! You will go Blind ! and it makes hair grow on the palms of your hand !:yuk:

and the Townsville refueler, from what I hear (third hand of course), has been paid off by certain parties to keep his inside knowledge "mum" !!!

Qf B777
 

Now this is starting to get interesting!

ATW Daily News

Gooday Ted

Between now and Feb 2011 there are no deliveries for ILFC that are available.

GE Capital are the only ones with airframes that are not designated to a carrier/config and colours.

They do have 19 300ER's on order with 3 class config.

J