LRT,

Let me rephrase for clarity,

All new crew are made to sign the new agreement, full time.
Current crew are being strongly encouraged by Skippers to sign the new agreement.

My apologies for not being clearer.

That is no different to any other awa skippers have put out.
Even the old one, sign or your not employed.
New employees are new employees, if ya wanna work , you gotta sign:ok:

Well there is the rub...why lock in to three months notice at Skippers when Network, Complete etc do not expect the same and I believe are still looking for crew.

People will vote with their feet by walking past Skippers. Most pilots who have minimum time for a command at Skippers also meet VB minimums.

anyone know what the current time to get command for the various fleets is at skippers at the moment? how does it differ for various experience levels ie a pilot put on as an f/o with their 500 multi already compared to a cadet or someone with only 100 or so multi?

500 multi command would get you into the left seat after a couple of months as F/O, if you have an ATPL of course. Mainly for Braz and Metro. Dash you'd be there longer.

Time to command
 

kair1234,

I spent 7 days as an F/O checked to line on the Metro fleet. Actually, better make it 9 days cause there was a weekend in there somewhere.

Only got my ATPL the week before though.

A few guys who have joined the company with an ATPL and in some cases some initial turbine time have gone straight into the left seat of a Metro, but I don't think they do the same for the Braz.


520.

cheers guys,

and what happens for people that fall below the 500 multi command, do they just icus you until you do have 500

Rumour has it atleast another 11 staff from Skippers are being interviewed by another blue tailed organisation early next week, care to comment?, see you soon boys.

Heard tonight of a guy going for an interview and was told he would have to pay 30k for Metro endo. Applicaton form was promptly thrown on the floor and walked over by the guy as he left their office. :ok:

I know it's a rumour network Jock, but their management couldn't be that insane!

Could they?

30K would just about buy you a Metro.:mad:

Was he quoted for the "cadetship"?

I was recently quoted 34K (M23) and 39K (Dash 8) for the Skippers Cadetship.

Like many others I know I promptly declined!

This is going from the bizarre to the downright unbelievable.

If 30k upfront for a metro slot is true then Skippers will not be able to continue. There just isn't anyone left that will pay that sort of money for a crummy Metro endorsement. Someone tackle them on the way out of the interview if they intend to. Can Skippers even provide the pilot to supply the endorsement? If the rumours here are any indication, it sounds as though they have no pilots left anyway...

Network bond people for 18 months and 18k on a Bras with a 5 grand top up when upgraded to a command. Even they are looking hard to find suitable applicants. Apparently they have twice the number of captains on the Bras that Skippers do and are still looking for more.

If Jock's story is true then they deserve everything they get.

I know of a guy who is thinking about leaving before he is even endorsed because of a lack of training! Whats with that.

Skippers seem to be getting what they deserve. If they don't wise up, front up with the training and go the bond route they will be stuffed.
However, tales of guys stomping out of interviews in high dudgeon smack of a certain pilot arrogance. Just remember that the tide always turns, aviation always suffers a bust after a boom, and some management types have long memories.
If you don't like what's on offer, thank them politely, tell them what YOU would consider as a fair deal, leave them your contact details, thank them again, shake hands and walk out the door.
At least that way, you won't have totally burned a bridge you may need to cross in the future.

Well said:ok:

barondriver,

Have you accepted the offer yet?

Did you check the T&C's before the interview?

All you boys and girls out there, don't take anything for granted. Make sure you educate yourselves to what is actually on offer.

If you are an existing employee, then I guess you probably know what your next step should be....

This is all very interesting!

I have an interview coming up with this mob soon and I don’t meet the current minimum requirements, At this stage I assume its for some sort of direct entry FO gig as there is no mention of anything else, in fact there is no mention of any fleet type at all.

I am desperate to further my career with a company like this but I’m F#%KED if I would pay 30k for the privilege! If they try and pull any of that S#%T on me I will walk so quickly they wont know what hit them! I’ll stick to flying 152’s for a bit longer if I have too.

As per the new conditions on offer I haven’t seen a copy so I guess they spring that one on you at the last minute.

I’m starting to wonder if this is the dream job I have been looking for, is it that hard to get the respect and conditions we deserve in this industry????????

Mecarsa Bitrusty
 

Mecarsa Bitrusty, sounds like you might be flogging around the circuit for a long time to come in the 152.

Personally I would follow gas-chamber’s advice. The people who hire and fire in aviation, as elsewhere, have very long memories when it comes to potential pilot/employee tantrums.

It is much better to wait for them to counter offer at a later date when they are really desperate, assuming that you actually have something to offer. It’s worked for me in the past.

as my grandmother use to say, "marry in haste, repent at leisure!!!":ugh: