Drugs anyone?
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""b. Prove it." Easy, walk into any worldwide airline layover watering hole and meet all the drunk pilots flying within the next 24 hours."
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.", is the old adage - and you are full of a LITTLE knowledge, Winstun.
Australian regulations stipulate pilots must STOP drinking 8 hours prior to flight. That means that immediately prior to the 8 hours (before flight), they can be falling over drunk....or alternatively, have had one sip of a glass of wine.
In Singapore and Malaysia, the rule is 10 hours.
In Japan, 12 hours.
So your bullsh!t of 24 hours is another example of you displaying your total ignorance in this matter - in spite of your claim that you are a pilot.
"There is no effective law to prevent fat alcohol effected people like you and your mates from risking the lives of the good public on a significantly widespread daily basis."
Precisely. EVERY pilot holding whichever class of licence he holds, has passed a Government dictated medical test, administered by a Government approved doctor (a D.M.E.).
You, Winstun are a no-one, a nothing, whose opinion is unimportant.
You are free to voice it here on PPRuNe, but be prepared to have it refuted with FACTS, when you print bs.
"The law is the law and the law needs to be changed."
Go for it!
"I think......not very often, Winstun.. "your medically educated passenger is far less concerned about the rare pilot that may have puffed on a little bit of marijuana or heroin many days previous."
Both marijuana and heroin are ILLEGAL - whether taken "many days previous"..or 6/12/36/72 months ago.
ILLEGAL, and if you're found to have been using those or any other ILLEGAL substances, then you can expect the full weight of the law to be thrown at you.
You're a bl00dy clown, Winstun, for having the stupidity to even suggest that use of that sort of stuff might be considered okay. Twit!
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.", is the old adage - and you are full of a LITTLE knowledge, Winstun.
Australian regulations stipulate pilots must STOP drinking 8 hours prior to flight. That means that immediately prior to the 8 hours (before flight), they can be falling over drunk....or alternatively, have had one sip of a glass of wine.
In Singapore and Malaysia, the rule is 10 hours.
In Japan, 12 hours.
So your bullsh!t of 24 hours is another example of you displaying your total ignorance in this matter - in spite of your claim that you are a pilot.
"There is no effective law to prevent fat alcohol effected people like you and your mates from risking the lives of the good public on a significantly widespread daily basis."
Precisely. EVERY pilot holding whichever class of licence he holds, has passed a Government dictated medical test, administered by a Government approved doctor (a D.M.E.).
You, Winstun are a no-one, a nothing, whose opinion is unimportant.
You are free to voice it here on PPRuNe, but be prepared to have it refuted with FACTS, when you print bs.
"The law is the law and the law needs to be changed."
Go for it!
"I think......not very often, Winstun.. "your medically educated passenger is far less concerned about the rare pilot that may have puffed on a little bit of marijuana or heroin many days previous."
Both marijuana and heroin are ILLEGAL - whether taken "many days previous"..or 6/12/36/72 months ago.
ILLEGAL, and if you're found to have been using those or any other ILLEGAL substances, then you can expect the full weight of the law to be thrown at you.
You're a bl00dy clown, Winstun, for having the stupidity to even suggest that use of that sort of stuff might be considered okay. Twit!
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
That could well be the case, Whiskery, however we all know that there are plenty of Winstuns around..."Yeah, I fly a corporate jet....50,000 feet...got 5 ATPL's....nothing to it. But even though I'm a pilot (wink wink), I think it's disgraceful the way these airline pilots behave. Look at that crew over there (waves...Hi guys), I'll bet they're going out in about 24 hours time, and look how much booze they're drinking."
The Winstuns around are those with a little knowledge and a BIG envy. There is, in fact, a widely held belief by many members of the public that 24 hours is the cut-off for alcohol intake.
By printing the sort of post that Winstun has, he then re-inforces FICTION into the minds of non-aviation people reading his tripe, leading to further degradation of our profession.
A lot of Winnie's stuff is harmless. The sort of garbage he has posted above is mischievous bordering on malicious!
The Winstuns around are those with a little knowledge and a BIG envy. There is, in fact, a widely held belief by many members of the public that 24 hours is the cut-off for alcohol intake.
By printing the sort of post that Winstun has, he then re-inforces FICTION into the minds of non-aviation people reading his tripe, leading to further degradation of our profession.
A lot of Winnie's stuff is harmless. The sort of garbage he has posted above is mischievous bordering on malicious!
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Here we go…I thought it was second grade today but its back to kindy with kaptin.....
EXACTLY my point. I am well aware of all these regulations. When I stated 24 hours, I was referring to the next day, I could have said 23 hours or 25 hours. The point is that the next day (and even longer), well after the regulatory time limit, there is a significant effect of alcohol on mental state and alertness. This is not known or accepted by many including yourself, nevertheless it is a significant safety issue and of great concern to the good public. Obesity significantly increases your risk to a coronary or diabetic related event. Equally, flying with legal hangovers raises the risk of errors and accidents. That you passed an aviation medical some months previous is of small comfort to the good fare paying passenger.
Not totally correct. Personal use of marijuana is legal in some jurisdictions throughout the world. I was not suggesting that use of illegal drugs is OK, merely trying to put things in perspective for you, which I see I have failed to do.
Envy? Yes indeed, I think it is you who is envious. Of my knowledge, my achievements, my status. Frankly, I could not think of much worse than the boring work of an airline pilot flying a tired hull down low with the attached poor remuneration, taxed 50% and in Aussie dollars, or otherwise living in Japan on pitiful contract work... yeah right…
.Possibly what leads you to drink. 
BTW still waiting to hear further of your only NINE ATPLs since EIGHTY NINE. 
That means that immediately prior to the 8 hours (before flight), they can be falling over drunk....
Both marijuana and heroin are ILLEGAL
Envy? Yes indeed, I think it is you who is envious. Of my knowledge, my achievements, my status. Frankly, I could not think of much worse than the boring work of an airline pilot flying a tired hull down low with the attached poor remuneration, taxed 50% and in Aussie dollars, or otherwise living in Japan on pitiful contract work... yeah right…
.Possibly what leads you to drink. BTW still waiting to hear further of your only NINE ATPLs since EIGHTY NINE.
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well, well...
we have one here named "Whiskery" that interests include "victoria bitter".....one that likely hangs out with heavy drinkers of the WA oil & gas industry.....one that interests include drinking....
Its one thing to be embarrased by my medical analysis of your less than flattering drug habits which affect your work. Its quite another to have to endure this well versed schoolboy pandering banter between yourselves, distracting from this important subject.
Lets try to keep to the topic at hand, shall we?
BTW, 404, for your continuing education, I can think of many airplanes that are FAA certified to FL510 and I am typed on a few of them.
we have one here named "Whiskery" that interests include "victoria bitter".....one that likely hangs out with heavy drinkers of the WA oil & gas industry.....one that interests include drinking....
Its one thing to be embarrased by my medical analysis of your less than flattering drug habits which affect your work. Its quite another to have to endure this well versed schoolboy pandering banter between yourselves, distracting from this important subject.
Lets try to keep to the topic at hand, shall we?
BTW, 404, for your continuing education, I can think of many airplanes that are FAA certified to FL510 and I am typed on a few of them.
I don't want to be the best pilot in the world - Just the oldest
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bwwwaaahhhh!
Somewhat presumptuous in your analysis of my working acquaintences Wintsun. Couldn't have missed the target further if you tried.
Wonder if you make the same sort of incorrect assumptions whilst in command of the myriad of aircraft you fly?
Somewhat presumptuous in your analysis of my working acquaintences Wintsun. Couldn't have missed the target further if you tried.
Wonder if you make the same sort of incorrect assumptions whilst in command of the myriad of aircraft you fly?
Winstun
Oh Winnie, I am very well aware that there are a few corporate jets that can fly at FL510. The question I asked was which one do you currently fly. Why are you being so evasive to this very simple question? Maybe you are trying to hide something?
BTW, 404, for your continuing education, I can think of many airplanes that are FAA certified to FL510 and I am typed on a few of them.
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well, 404, I'm not hiding from a hangover, which is what I imagine you are often doing, after indulging in your interest...drinking ....
Now, why would 404 be itching to know what I am currently gettin round in at FL510 ?
Is it because he is:
a. nosey
b. green with envy
c. think he could steal my job
d. all of the above
Now, why would I not fufill his request?
Because:
a. its none of his business
b. I have scant regard for his fufillment
c. he wouldnt have a hope in hell
d. all of the above
But 404, for your continuing aviation education, some types that are FL510 certfied: Learjets 31,45,60, Citations 7, 10, Falcon 900B/EX, Gulfstream 500, Global Express. I have flown nearly all these types and typed in a few of them.
FL510....its not new and its no real mystery ...except maybe to an airbus peon based in a sh*thole like HK gettin less than half my coin.
Now, why would 404 be itching to know what I am currently gettin round in at FL510 ?
Is it because he is:
a. nosey
b. green with envy
c. think he could steal my job
d. all of the above
Now, why would I not fufill his request?
Because:
a. its none of his business
b. I have scant regard for his fufillment
c. he wouldnt have a hope in hell
d. all of the above
But 404, for your continuing aviation education, some types that are FL510 certfied: Learjets 31,45,60, Citations 7, 10, Falcon 900B/EX, Gulfstream 500, Global Express. I have flown nearly all these types and typed in a few of them.
FL510....its not new and its no real mystery ...except maybe to an airbus peon based in a sh*thole like HK gettin less than half my coin.
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But 404, for your continuing aviation education, some types that are FL510 certfied: Lear 31,45,60, Citaion 7, 10, Falcon 900, Gulfstream 500, Global Express. I have flown nearly all these types
Do you use FS2002 or FS2004?
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
"I have flown nearly all these types and typed in a few of them.
Which one are you typing in right now, Winno?
Sounds as though you indulge in smoking some of the green weed, Winsie, to help you get up to FL510.
"Learjets 31,45,60, Citations 7, 10, Falcon 900B/EX, Gulfstream 500, Global Express".......from their home page:
"Global Express is an up-to-the-minute magazine resource for teachers of 8-14 year olds on world events and global issues in the news."
Onya Win - stay off dem drugs!
Which one are you typing in right now, Winno?
Sounds as though you indulge in smoking some of the green weed, Winsie, to help you get up to FL510.
"Learjets 31,45,60, Citations 7, 10, Falcon 900B/EX, Gulfstream 500, Global Express".......from their home page:
"Global Express is an up-to-the-minute magazine resource for teachers of 8-14 year olds on world events and global issues in the news."
Onya Win - stay off dem drugs!
Winnie, I am very well aware which corporate jets are capable of FL510. That wasn’t the question I asked. I, and I am sure everyone else on this forum would like to know which aircraft you are flying now. Is that such a hard question to answer? I don’t think so.
My wife and I personally love Hong Kong. If we didn’t we wouldn’t be here. As for how much you earn compared to me. “DREAM ON”.
FL510....its not new and its no real mystery ...except maybe to an airbus peon based in a sh*thole like HK gettin less than half my coin.
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My brother is a heroin user. His life is destroyed. His mind is muddled beyond understanding. His sentences are no longer cohesive, contradicting what he said only minutes earlier.
His friends are limited to those who wish to feed off him. His goals in life are non-existent, but for the next opportunity to escape reality.
The hurt he has done to our parents is immeasurable.
Are you suggesting the occassional use of this hideous drug is ok, if you're an airline pilot?
Are you suggesting the occassional usage of marijuana is ok, if you're an airline pilot?
I am an airline pilot.
I ply the skies in a heavy Boeing.
I work hard, like the rest of the genuine pilots who contribute to this thread.
I know what the job demands; in and out, back to front, night and day.
And I know what the substances you speak of do to a person - intimately.
You are wrong; plainly, simply, wrong, to suggest that heroin is okay as an occassional drug.
In defense of my brother and on behalf of my aviating colleagues and the travelling public, I respectfully ask that you retract your statement.
My brother is a heroin user. His life is destroyed. His mind is muddled beyond understanding. His sentences are no longer cohesive, contradicting what he said only minutes earlier.
His friends are limited to those who wish to feed off him. His goals in life are non-existent, but for the next opportunity to escape reality.
The hurt he has done to our parents is immeasurable.
Are you suggesting the occassional use of this hideous drug is ok, if you're an airline pilot?
Are you suggesting the occassional usage of marijuana is ok, if you're an airline pilot?
I am an airline pilot.
I ply the skies in a heavy Boeing.
I work hard, like the rest of the genuine pilots who contribute to this thread.
I know what the job demands; in and out, back to front, night and day.
And I know what the substances you speak of do to a person - intimately.
You are wrong; plainly, simply, wrong, to suggest that heroin is okay as an occassional drug.
In defense of my brother and on behalf of my aviating colleagues and the travelling public, I respectfully ask that you retract your statement.
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I believe drugs have the potential to completely destroy a persons charactor and livlihood. These drugs may take the form of Alcohol, Marijuana, Cocain, Speed (etc?) and prescribed and over the counter drugs.
However some drugs can be used without such destruction. (possibly with the exception of herion use; bearing in mind morphine is used in hospitals!).
What is the intention of drug testing? What are it's capabilities?
If drug testing can catch a person who is impaired and
under the influence of a drug(it should be all drugs as above) at work I am prepared to suffer a urinary or blood test, and even risk my own livelihood (false positives) etc.
If drug testing catches an occassional marihauna smoker who is at work with no impairment and destroys their livlihood then I am against it.
The fact that some drugs are illegal is not the issue here. Nor whether anyone should take drugs at all, on moral grounds. I am sure there are many people out there who don't meet others moral standards in their private lives. And many others who break the law in one fashion or another and are perfectly capable aircrew.
However some drugs can be used without such destruction. (possibly with the exception of herion use; bearing in mind morphine is used in hospitals!).
What is the intention of drug testing? What are it's capabilities?
If drug testing can catch a person who is impaired and
under the influence of a drug(it should be all drugs as above) at work I am prepared to suffer a urinary or blood test, and even risk my own livelihood (false positives) etc.
If drug testing catches an occassional marihauna smoker who is at work with no impairment and destroys their livlihood then I am against it.
The fact that some drugs are illegal is not the issue here. Nor whether anyone should take drugs at all, on moral grounds. I am sure there are many people out there who don't meet others moral standards in their private lives. And many others who break the law in one fashion or another and are perfectly capable aircrew.
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In defense of my brother and on behalf of my aviating colleagues and the travelling public, I respectfully ask that you retract your statement.
For the last friggin time, I never said taking heroin is OK. From a purely clinical view, I was merely pointing out that it is less damaging to the body than alcohol. I am quite aware of and familiar with the addictive properties and reality of heroin addicts, as I am of those addicted, abused, and killed by alcohol. If able, I would suggest you take your brother overseas to one of many accommodating countries that have effective long term cold turkey programs. What I am saying is that the numbers of recreational users of these drugs in the pilot community is a non-issue to the traveling public safety interests in comparison to the numbers of alcohol affected pilots plying the skies daily at less than their desired peak mental alertness. 
I know what the job demands; in and out, back to front, night and day.
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This feels gooooooooooood!!!
Wanna get High?
Hang on I think I've got it........
It's the tune to Funky Town!....."wont you take me to a funky town".....
Remember.....if you go to the pool dont forget to bring a TOWL!!!
Hang on I think I've got it........
It's the tune to Funky Town!....."wont you take me to a funky town".....
Remember.....if you go to the pool dont forget to bring a TOWL!!!