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Thanks to all who have posted replies on this thread.
But so far those QF management types are still hiding behind "MUMMIES SKIRT" OR MAYBE" WIFIES DRESS", come out, come out where ever you are.
Be big people and talk about grown up stuff like DISCRIMINATION............... Whoops there's that word again.
Come on be tough and type away so we all know the facts Jack.
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But so far those QF management types are still hiding behind "MUMMIES SKIRT" OR MAYBE" WIFIES DRESS", come out, come out where ever you are.
Be big people and talk about grown up stuff like DISCRIMINATION............... Whoops there's that word again.
Come on be tough and type away so we all know the facts Jack.
Four Points.
EPIRB,
Sorry my friend, but its not me... A few people have also thought i was that person as well. All i can suggest is the I either signed up his/her name after it was no longer used, or else there were spaces between the One Dot Low.
4 Points,
When did you submit your application to QF Mainline? Have you completed any stages of the process? I doubt that they would let guys through from the subsidaries (of which i have seen quite a few - and i wouldnt say a disproportionate number either!!) at all if the wanted to discriminate.... I would be interested to hear what your thoughts are on that?
And finally why would anyone from mangement in any airline use this internet bulletin board to "chat" about an employment process???? If you want an answer, ask them directly, and sign your name to it! If needs be take it to a higher level..... but i dont think any of you would do that, would you??? Thats the problem with this place... too many people say all these things, and will never put it into action.
I do agree that anonymity is a wonderful thing SOMETIMES, but in this instance it serves to only dull your screams...
Sorry my friend, but its not me... A few people have also thought i was that person as well. All i can suggest is the I either signed up his/her name after it was no longer used, or else there were spaces between the One Dot Low.
4 Points,
When did you submit your application to QF Mainline? Have you completed any stages of the process? I doubt that they would let guys through from the subsidaries (of which i have seen quite a few - and i wouldnt say a disproportionate number either!!) at all if the wanted to discriminate.... I would be interested to hear what your thoughts are on that?
And finally why would anyone from mangement in any airline use this internet bulletin board to "chat" about an employment process???? If you want an answer, ask them directly, and sign your name to it! If needs be take it to a higher level..... but i dont think any of you would do that, would you??? Thats the problem with this place... too many people say all these things, and will never put it into action.
I do agree that anonymity is a wonderful thing SOMETIMES, but in this instance it serves to only dull your screams...
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One Dot Low.
With all the recruitment that has been ongoing at QF for sometime. That is until all the recent world events there was only one person from EAA successful. This person was thought to have been employed still by REX. However, he had been at EAA since ANSETT fell over. He had updated his application to reflect his new employer. QF smart management did not discover this fact until the final interview. Apparently the interviewers asked about REX and this person said he hadn't worked at REX for sometime and that he was currently employed by EAA, well that was basically the end of the interview, he thought at the time he had missed out because of that question. Thankfully, he still got the job.
He was the first person successfully recruited from EAA by QF in 2 1/2 years. There hasn't been another since.
All the Pilot's from SAA were given the opportunity to apply/re-apply and all were unsuccessful, this includes the BA146 Pilot's already flying Jet's with a red tail. The profit's from all the regionals finally end up at QF. So why is QF so "hell bent" on destroying these people's careers? Their employment records, FT9s and FT10s are there waiting to be read to prove their value as a pilot.
Somebody please tell me what is so different from flying a BA146 to a B737 or B767 or B747 appart from size and pay packet. At the end of the day they are all aircraft designed to be flown by the average Pilot. QF has stated in the past they could teach "monkey's" to fly their aircraft. So why won't they give their experienced regional Pilot's a fair go?
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With all the recruitment that has been ongoing at QF for sometime. That is until all the recent world events there was only one person from EAA successful. This person was thought to have been employed still by REX. However, he had been at EAA since ANSETT fell over. He had updated his application to reflect his new employer. QF smart management did not discover this fact until the final interview. Apparently the interviewers asked about REX and this person said he hadn't worked at REX for sometime and that he was currently employed by EAA, well that was basically the end of the interview, he thought at the time he had missed out because of that question. Thankfully, he still got the job.
He was the first person successfully recruited from EAA by QF in 2 1/2 years. There hasn't been another since.
All the Pilot's from SAA were given the opportunity to apply/re-apply and all were unsuccessful, this includes the BA146 Pilot's already flying Jet's with a red tail. The profit's from all the regionals finally end up at QF. So why is QF so "hell bent" on destroying these people's careers? Their employment records, FT9s and FT10s are there waiting to be read to prove their value as a pilot.
Somebody please tell me what is so different from flying a BA146 to a B737 or B767 or B747 appart from size and pay packet. At the end of the day they are all aircraft designed to be flown by the average Pilot. QF has stated in the past they could teach "monkey's" to fly their aircraft. So why won't they give their experienced regional Pilot's a fair go?
Four Points
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
From the postings on here wrt QF, my opinion is that you're better OUT of it right now, than being IN there, with what looks like is brewing!!
The way Dixon is talking, "management" intend to squeeze QANTAS for every drop they can...read retrenchments.
And THEN..............walk away from it! (as they count the millions of $$$'s paid to them in "performance bonuses").
The way Dixon is talking, "management" intend to squeeze QANTAS for every drop they can...read retrenchments.
And THEN..............walk away from it! (as they count the millions of $$$'s paid to them in "performance bonuses").
4points,
I know a barrell load of ex "Impulse" guys who are in now... surely the policies you speak of would be applied to them as well...
I cant speak as to the accuracy of your figures, as I am in no position to know, however that does seem awfully low. But i say again, why would the not employ you guys and yet employ the Impulse blokes (and girls)??
odl
I know a barrell load of ex "Impulse" guys who are in now... surely the policies you speak of would be applied to them as well...
I cant speak as to the accuracy of your figures, as I am in no position to know, however that does seem awfully low. But i say again, why would the not employ you guys and yet employ the Impulse blokes (and girls)??
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Your reference is a little incorrect since QF has taken over Impulse you could count on one hand the number of pilots they have taken on. When the B1900 stopped operating 35 guys were left without work. Like SAA we were told to apply to mainline and we'll get preferential treatment. that treatment being they'll take $165 dollars from us and then tell us all (except for one person who was already at stage 2 when this happened) thanks but no thanks. the barrel loads (up to 15 per year at one stage) you speak of was what use to occur prior to qantas buying impulse.
Sounds suspect doesn't it.
Your reference is a little incorrect since QF has taken over Impulse you could count on one hand the number of pilots they have taken on. When the B1900 stopped operating 35 guys were left without work. Like SAA we were told to apply to mainline and we'll get preferential treatment. that treatment being they'll take $165 dollars from us and then tell us all (except for one person who was already at stage 2 when this happened) thanks but no thanks. the barrel loads (up to 15 per year at one stage) you speak of was what use to occur prior to qantas buying impulse.
Sounds suspect doesn't it.
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My figures are correct. QF we are all watching with future recruitment. One day soon some people may just ban together and take the necessary action.
ALPA should support this as well. They are about to embark on the biggest fight of their lives with the flood gates that are about to open from across the Tasman.
What all the Pilot groups need at the moment is 1 union for all the groups. Strength in numbers and all that stuff.
Come on all of you lets get together and have 1 union represent us and band together as one entity.
ALPA should support this as well. They are about to embark on the biggest fight of their lives with the flood gates that are about to open from across the Tasman.
What all the Pilot groups need at the moment is 1 union for all the groups. Strength in numbers and all that stuff.
Come on all of you lets get together and have 1 union represent us and band together as one entity.
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4 Points, AIPA is not the union for you(us). Just take a look at Qrewroom and the disillusionment. The domestic guys are staring down the barrel of Jetconnect, Australian etc with little apparent representation. Until the 400's are under threat I suspect there will be no change....
TWU sounds like the go folks. AFAP are a bunch of gun-shy pussies
Perhaps the AFAP don't realise it, but from the feedback I've seen, the only reason the majority of their members are there is for the MBF. Without that, they are nothing.
Surely there has to be a better product out there?
HELP!!
TWU sounds like the go folks. AFAP are a bunch of gun-shy pussies
Perhaps the AFAP don't realise it, but from the feedback I've seen, the only reason the majority of their members are there is for the MBF. Without that, they are nothing.
Surely there has to be a better product out there?
HELP!!
Folks,
Well I really cant comment on your stats, as i dont have access to that sort of info, but when it comes down to it... Its their trainset...
Id better run out of this topic now... looks like a war is about to take place..... incoming!!!
Cheers
ODL
Well I really cant comment on your stats, as i dont have access to that sort of info, but when it comes down to it... Its their trainset...
Id better run out of this topic now... looks like a war is about to take place..... incoming!!!
Cheers
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Not quite true about AIPA and Vq. AIPA is not allowed to approach pilot groups represented by another union, it is seen as poaching and it is against industrial law.
However if those pilots are not satisfied with their current union, then as a group they can approach AIPA with a view representation. I doubt that would happen.
Not quite true about AIPA and Vq. AIPA is not allowed to approach pilot groups represented by another union, it is seen as poaching and it is against industrial law.
However if those pilots are not satisfied with their current union, then as a group they can approach AIPA with a view representation. I doubt that would happen.
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I am most definitely not Qantas Management but . .
I don't think there would be a single mainline driver who doesn't feel that pilots from our regionals shouldn't have equal opportunity to apply for mainline.
I once flew B1900s for Impulse (well before the tie - up) so I appreciate the skills and experience which regional pilots have to offer. And as Jarse says, there is a wealth of training data on these guys. I consider my time at Impulse to be the most important part of my early experience, and to be perfectly honest, domestic flying in the "east coast commuter jet"
is frighteningly similar to the old "all stops" north from Newcastle in the B1900.
"Huan Hung Lo", I think it's really regrettable that regional pilots have to go and work for Virgin for career fulfillment, but don't kid yourself that Virgin is directly trying to hurt Qantas. It's got more to do with CASA's concern at Virgin's depth of inexperience. The experience regional drivers come with addresses that issue.
WG.
I once flew B1900s for Impulse (well before the tie - up) so I appreciate the skills and experience which regional pilots have to offer. And as Jarse says, there is a wealth of training data on these guys. I consider my time at Impulse to be the most important part of my early experience, and to be perfectly honest, domestic flying in the "east coast commuter jet"
is frighteningly similar to the old "all stops" north from Newcastle in the B1900.
Now Virgin are smarter than that as they actively source pilots from the regionals.
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I just rang AFAP, they seem to think they represent Impulse pilots and that they have done so for a number of years.
I do not know the mechanics for a change, but AIPA cannot go after representation of Impulse pilots unless the pilots as a majority group approach AIPA first.
I know there was some talk between Impulse pilots and AIPA when they were purchased by Qantas, but perhaps the Impulse Pilot's Council did not have the backing for a change.
I just rang AFAP, they seem to think they represent Impulse pilots and that they have done so for a number of years.
I do not know the mechanics for a change, but AIPA cannot go after representation of Impulse pilots unless the pilots as a majority group approach AIPA first.
I know there was some talk between Impulse pilots and AIPA when they were purchased by Qantas, but perhaps the Impulse Pilot's Council did not have the backing for a change.
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RaTa,
I have to go along with Rostov on this one. The Impulse Pilot Council who was looking at the Option of having AIPA represent Impulse Pilots. However when the AIPA was approached by the Council themeselves seeking if AIPA were interested in representing ALL impulse pilots the response was along the lines of Not Interested.
Don't Worry it surpirsed me also that they would find it more of an advantage to keep the to groups apart. Everyone talks about all being under one Banner and how we shouldn't let them divide and conquer but it seems as though the divide and conquer spirit comes from within us. Having said that I'm more than happy to listen to AIPA's reasoning for saying no and more than willing to accept there decision. I just thought it a vit of a strange strategic move.
I have to go along with Rostov on this one. The Impulse Pilot Council who was looking at the Option of having AIPA represent Impulse Pilots. However when the AIPA was approached by the Council themeselves seeking if AIPA were interested in representing ALL impulse pilots the response was along the lines of Not Interested.
Don't Worry it surpirsed me also that they would find it more of an advantage to keep the to groups apart. Everyone talks about all being under one Banner and how we shouldn't let them divide and conquer but it seems as though the divide and conquer spirit comes from within us. Having said that I'm more than happy to listen to AIPA's reasoning for saying no and more than willing to accept there decision. I just thought it a vit of a strange strategic move.
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AIPA originally set themselves up because they wanted to be elite. They didnt want to associate with those light aircraft drivers in domestic and were sure they could do better by themselves. Now they have morphed into a company union, essentially a training ground for management.
I'm with Jarse on this one, get the TWU on the job. At least they will have a go.
I'm with Jarse on this one, get the TWU on the job. At least they will have a go.
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There must have been some stumbling block as there was definite interest at AIPA committee level to bring them on board.
bonvol
Not that I condone it, but it is not that unusual for ex union heads to go into managment, I've seen it a number of times in other airlines. There have been times where I would have to agree with you and Jarse with regards TWU.
As for "light aircraft drivers" bla bla bla, a lot of us thought they should be allowed to come into AIPA.
There must have been some stumbling block as there was definite interest at AIPA committee level to bring them on board.
bonvol
Not that I condone it, but it is not that unusual for ex union heads to go into managment, I've seen it a number of times in other airlines. There have been times where I would have to agree with you and Jarse with regards TWU.
As for "light aircraft drivers" bla bla bla, a lot of us thought they should be allowed to come into AIPA.
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RaTa,
I'm not aware of your position within AIPA but If that is the case then maybe you should pm me, or get in contact with the IPC because everyone on this end seems to think that AIPA gave us the brush off.
I'm not aware of your position within AIPA but If that is the case then maybe you should pm me, or get in contact with the IPC because everyone on this end seems to think that AIPA gave us the brush off.
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Not sure about your take on history bonvol but as I recall A.I.P.A was formed as a direct result of one third of a Unions membership contributing more than 50% of its income ,yet getting less than 50% in the representation stakes. As to the idea of a super union representing all aviation interests not much chance of it happening under the current legislation.