Non-competitive Air New Zealand
Kap, I checked out the fares site you mentioned and found the prices to be a little different to yours. I would suggest that its all a bit meaningless and sad to make bold statements based on a snapshot of prices.
NEW ZEALAND
AUCKLAND JUL. AUG. SEP.
Malaysia Airlines \82,000- \92,000- \79,000-
Korean Air \69,000- \85,000- \83,000-
Singapore Airlines \98,000- \126,000- \126,000-
Thai Airways \84,000- \111,000- \111,000-
Cathay Pacific \85,000- \106,000- \95,000-
Qantas Airways \94,000- \117,000- \117,000-
Air New Zealand \83,000- \133,000- \133,000-
Showcase Malaysia \70,000- \70,000- \70,000-
CHRISTCHURCH JUL. AUG. SEP.
Singapore Airlines \98,000- \126,000- \126,000-
Cathay Pacific \100,000- \121,000- \110,000-
Qantas Airways \94,000- \117,000- \117,000-
Air New Zealand \93,000- \143,000- \143,000-
WELLINGTON JUL. AUG. SEP.
Cathay Pacific \100,000- \121,000- \110,000-
Qantas Airways \94,000- \117,000- \117,000-
Air New Zealand \93,000- \143,000- \143,000-
I also did a google search on seat pitch which gave me the following.
Thai Airways
80"
50"
34"
Air New Zealand
80"
50"
34"
Malaysia Airlines
76"
50"
34"
Cathay Pacific
79"
60"
32"
Singapore Airlines
78"
58"
32"
Qantas Airways
78"
50"
31"
I will conceed that the Air NZ IFE (lack of)sucks. As does the lack of full sleeper seats.
NEW ZEALAND
AUCKLAND JUL. AUG. SEP.
Malaysia Airlines \82,000- \92,000- \79,000-
Korean Air \69,000- \85,000- \83,000-
Singapore Airlines \98,000- \126,000- \126,000-
Thai Airways \84,000- \111,000- \111,000-
Cathay Pacific \85,000- \106,000- \95,000-
Qantas Airways \94,000- \117,000- \117,000-
Air New Zealand \83,000- \133,000- \133,000-
Showcase Malaysia \70,000- \70,000- \70,000-
CHRISTCHURCH JUL. AUG. SEP.
Singapore Airlines \98,000- \126,000- \126,000-
Cathay Pacific \100,000- \121,000- \110,000-
Qantas Airways \94,000- \117,000- \117,000-
Air New Zealand \93,000- \143,000- \143,000-
WELLINGTON JUL. AUG. SEP.
Cathay Pacific \100,000- \121,000- \110,000-
Qantas Airways \94,000- \117,000- \117,000-
Air New Zealand \93,000- \143,000- \143,000-
I also did a google search on seat pitch which gave me the following.
Thai Airways
80"
50"
34"
Air New Zealand
80"
50"
34"
Malaysia Airlines
76"
50"
34"
Cathay Pacific
79"
60"
32"
Singapore Airlines
78"
58"
32"
Qantas Airways
78"
50"
31"
I will conceed that the Air NZ IFE (lack of)sucks. As does the lack of full sleeper seats.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
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Interesting, C1300, but I see that at the time I checked, the June prices were also included - it's "interesting" to note that the July prices for Air New Zealand have been REDUCED by some JPY20,000 (about NZD300) whilst the other airlines' prices have remained fixed.
I suspect that Air New Zealand is indeed finding it difficult to sell seats, when their fare structure is so much higher than the competitors, and that as departure time nears the panic button is pushed.
Compare the August and September prices that YOU have provided, C1300 - they are exactly the same as those I showed, and support my assertion, which I feel is far from"a bit meaningless and sad".
Believe me, I have no agenda, other than a genuine observation from a consumer point of view, that Air New Zealand which operate old equipment (B767's) charge a LOT more, but offer far less in terms of comfort.
The seat pitch might be the equivalent of others (in QANTAS' case the aircraft is now an Australian 767), however the DESIGN of the seat is a real shocker!
If you can imagine a very thin mattress that has 2/3rds bent at about 80 degrees for a back support with the remaining 1/3rd to sit on as your seat, and to then recline the back you must slide the part under your buttocks forward, you have an image of ANZ's seats.
I suspect that Air New Zealand is indeed finding it difficult to sell seats, when their fare structure is so much higher than the competitors, and that as departure time nears the panic button is pushed.
Compare the August and September prices that YOU have provided, C1300 - they are exactly the same as those I showed, and support my assertion, which I feel is far from"a bit meaningless and sad".
Believe me, I have no agenda, other than a genuine observation from a consumer point of view, that Air New Zealand which operate old equipment (B767's) charge a LOT more, but offer far less in terms of comfort.
The seat pitch might be the equivalent of others (in QANTAS' case the aircraft is now an Australian 767), however the DESIGN of the seat is a real shocker!
If you can imagine a very thin mattress that has 2/3rds bent at about 80 degrees for a back support with the remaining 1/3rd to sit on as your seat, and to then recline the back you must slide the part under your buttocks forward, you have an image of ANZ's seats.
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Kapitan M, you say :
"I suspect that Air New Zealand is indeed finding it difficult to sell seats, when their fare structure is so much higher than the competitors, and that as departure time nears the panic button is pushed"
You seem to have a very poor understanding of how seats are marketed - as "departure time approaches" there is no "pushing of panic buttons" rather the remaining seats are in effect "auctioned".
There is no one price for sector - seats are sold in blocks - some to wholesalers, who get a price based on numbers of seats and how far in advance the purchase is made - some are at a variety of flexible fares, some at fixed fares. As another contributor has said, you cannot in fact take "snapshot" and have it reflect "the fare". The reality is that ANZ's Japan business (SAR's spill overs notwithstanding) is doing very nicely thank you - and the variety of marketing and pricing strategies employed contributes to this.
I travel to Europe once a year, business class, and I research the best deals - they are generally in Thai/MAS - SIN, QF, and ANZ are more expensive - so I do not travel ANZ longhaul - when I do however (one recent Business class return to LHR, NZD 7500, in case you are interested) it was very difficult to get aseat on the days required due to HIGH DEMAND.
Pricing, marketing, market positioning etc are complex issues, and if you don't like ANZ as a corporate entity, fine, but please, find some better basis for your denigration, or at least do more thorough research into the whole topic.
"I suspect that Air New Zealand is indeed finding it difficult to sell seats, when their fare structure is so much higher than the competitors, and that as departure time nears the panic button is pushed"
You seem to have a very poor understanding of how seats are marketed - as "departure time approaches" there is no "pushing of panic buttons" rather the remaining seats are in effect "auctioned".
There is no one price for sector - seats are sold in blocks - some to wholesalers, who get a price based on numbers of seats and how far in advance the purchase is made - some are at a variety of flexible fares, some at fixed fares. As another contributor has said, you cannot in fact take "snapshot" and have it reflect "the fare". The reality is that ANZ's Japan business (SAR's spill overs notwithstanding) is doing very nicely thank you - and the variety of marketing and pricing strategies employed contributes to this.
I travel to Europe once a year, business class, and I research the best deals - they are generally in Thai/MAS - SIN, QF, and ANZ are more expensive - so I do not travel ANZ longhaul - when I do however (one recent Business class return to LHR, NZD 7500, in case you are interested) it was very difficult to get aseat on the days required due to HIGH DEMAND.
Pricing, marketing, market positioning etc are complex issues, and if you don't like ANZ as a corporate entity, fine, but please, find some better basis for your denigration, or at least do more thorough research into the whole topic.
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Well, I for one got totally screwed by Qantas as did many other kiwis but I've got better things to do than sit here and bleat about it. Some on this thread would blame Air NZ if their lawnmower didn't start this morning. This slagging off of Air NZ, can we apply some balance to it? I know they are undercapitalised, the fleet in ancient and the marketshare must be slowly eroding away especially in business/first where the money is. But can you truly say Qantas is a role model in a completely open market? And what about the Japanese. The whole playing field is so uneven, with Govt intervention etc.
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STILL ALBATROSS - "The Fleet is ancient" - All the B737's are less than 5 years old - 20 A320's ex factory begin delivery in October - B744's 5-15 years old - industry average - B767-200's - VERY OLD - I agree - all being retired within the next 2 years - B767 300's - 10 years on average - a bit better than industry average - can't see where you get "ancient" from ?
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I'm in Holland right now. Had to pay MORE to get to LHR QF because I couldn't get a (cheaper) seat on NZ for any of of the three days that I could have chosen. Sorry about the logic. I know a seat you can't get can't be cheaper. Just making a point.
BTW - I had an empty seat next to me all the way WLG-SYD-SIN-LHR. My colleague, who flew NZ AKL-LAX-LHR, is complaining that she couldn't find an empty space anywhere on either sector.
BTW - I had an empty seat next to me all the way WLG-SYD-SIN-LHR. My colleague, who flew NZ AKL-LAX-LHR, is complaining that she couldn't find an empty space anywhere on either sector.
