Wheels up - Go Around!
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ferris, try these.... they may work..
this
inquiry
and on the ATC Issues forum
this
thread
on Reporting Points.
this
inquiry
and on the ATC Issues forum
this
thread
on Reporting Points.
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I recall reading an incident report a few months ago about an Airbus [pretty sure it was A320] that after landing, ECAM displayed a "GEAR NOT DOWN" message.
From memory it was found to be a damaged sensor that had caused the spurious message.
From memory it was found to be a damaged sensor that had caused the spurious message.
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Ferris me thinks you owe bik an apology.
Instead of labouring under self imposed misguided beliefs, getting your colleague to search an irrelevant database, calling bik a liar and then posting a question in atc issues why didnt you just do a pprune search in the first place? The incident bik talks about has been on pprune since October. (thanks for the link nc)
The post about the Adelaide go around put the subject of gear up landings on the table. Gear ups can happen anywhere. Bik talked about two near gear ups what does it matter where they happened?
Instead of labouring under self imposed misguided beliefs, getting your colleague to search an irrelevant database, calling bik a liar and then posting a question in atc issues why didnt you just do a pprune search in the first place? The incident bik talks about has been on pprune since October. (thanks for the link nc)
The post about the Adelaide go around put the subject of gear up landings on the table. Gear ups can happen anywhere. Bik talked about two near gear ups what does it matter where they happened?
I have absolutely no problem with BIK and what he says.
I've known him for over ten years now and he's a dead straight-up sort of guy.
Airbus' do all sorts of wierd things and the promotors of them cover it up as best they can.
See here - http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...5&pagenumber=1
I'm sticking with Boeing, thanks.
I've known him for over ten years now and he's a dead straight-up sort of guy.
Airbus' do all sorts of wierd things and the promotors of them cover it up as best they can.
See here - http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...5&pagenumber=1
I'm sticking with Boeing, thanks.
Impulse mixup??
Would anyone care to comment on an incident last week, perhaps on monday, involving a B717 stick shaker after take-off because flap was selected instead of gear??
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Apology to BIK116.8
Well, I'm sure most people don't care, but after much digging have finally got some answers. It took a while, however.....
I'm glad that
that way this apology will fall on deaf ears.
I apologise unreservedly to BIK116.8 for implying that he may have been untruthful in alleging he thought he saw an A320 go around wheels up. This was partly fuelled by my mistaken belief that he was saying he saw this in oz (this being the D&G forum etc.). He then, despite being asked, refused to divulge the location (without any plausable explanation), and I mistakenly checked sources around oz to find out the facts surrounding the incident. Having been unable to find even a hint of it, (wasting peoples time), I insinuated he was making it up.
It now appears that he did not make it up, he just failed to check any further on what he thought he saw. What a shame. Because if he had, like I did, he would have worked out that things were not as advertised. I guess it's just easier to hang 5hit on the other crew, right BIK116.8? Indicitive really, of the criticism I (and others) had levelled at him.
You are dead right there, buddy.
The crew in the aircraft following postulated that the A320 had already initiated a go around (due to the unacceptable cross-wind), but before reporting doing so to the tower, the tower ordered the (already going around) A320 to go around.
(See UK CAA Occurrence List, October 2002 and the thread on pprune). That didn't even enter your head, did it? Your version is a much better story.
So now, Mr McNeil, we can let this thread die. Thanks to all those that helped (you know who you are), and to all those who didn't.... I'm beyond expecting much else.
I'm glad that
But I fail to understand why I would need or desire an apology from someone who’s opinion matters so little to me.
I apologise unreservedly to BIK116.8 for implying that he may have been untruthful in alleging he thought he saw an A320 go around wheels up. This was partly fuelled by my mistaken belief that he was saying he saw this in oz (this being the D&G forum etc.). He then, despite being asked, refused to divulge the location (without any plausable explanation), and I mistakenly checked sources around oz to find out the facts surrounding the incident. Having been unable to find even a hint of it, (wasting peoples time), I insinuated he was making it up.
It now appears that he did not make it up, he just failed to check any further on what he thought he saw. What a shame. Because if he had, like I did, he would have worked out that things were not as advertised. I guess it's just easier to hang 5hit on the other crew, right BIK116.8? Indicitive really, of the criticism I (and others) had levelled at him.
You have demonstrated a propensity for tenacious, dogged and confrontational debate and I have no doubt that you will be able to continue in that style here.
The crew in the aircraft following postulated that the A320 had already initiated a go around (due to the unacceptable cross-wind), but before reporting doing so to the tower, the tower ordered the (already going around) A320 to go around.
(See UK CAA Occurrence List, October 2002 and the thread on pprune). That didn't even enter your head, did it? Your version is a much better story.
So now, Mr McNeil, we can let this thread die. Thanks to all those that helped (you know who you are), and to all those who didn't.... I'm beyond expecting much else.
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why....
does it seems like nearly every item goes tits up (personality clash) after a few posts... anyway thishowitshappened:
A320 reports established on the ILS to tower. Tower clears A320 to land.
(about 60 seconds latter)
A320 observed at about 500 feet above runway elevation. A320 gear up and descending.
(about 25 seconds latter)
A320 at about 200 feet above runway elevation. A320 gear up and descending. Tower says Kestrel 374 check wheels.
(the tower guy never said go around)
(about 5 seconds latter)
A320 nose starts to pitch up.
(about 5 seconds latter)
A320 nose pitched up more steeply. A320 tail goes within about 100 feet of the runway (A320 tail was about one third the length of the fuselage above the runway). A320 climbing.
(about 8 minutes latter)
A320 lands normally on the same runway. Does that sound like a normal go around to you? I dont see anywhere where BIK has put **** on the A320 crew. He did a lot of research after this to find out how it could happen.
A320 reports established on the ILS to tower. Tower clears A320 to land.
(about 60 seconds latter)
A320 observed at about 500 feet above runway elevation. A320 gear up and descending.
(about 25 seconds latter)
A320 at about 200 feet above runway elevation. A320 gear up and descending. Tower says Kestrel 374 check wheels.
(the tower guy never said go around)
(about 5 seconds latter)
A320 nose starts to pitch up.
(about 5 seconds latter)
A320 nose pitched up more steeply. A320 tail goes within about 100 feet of the runway (A320 tail was about one third the length of the fuselage above the runway). A320 climbing.
(about 8 minutes latter)
A320 lands normally on the same runway. Does that sound like a normal go around to you? I dont see anywhere where BIK has put **** on the A320 crew. He did a lot of research after this to find out how it could happen.
