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EP....
We have all been in the position that many of these posters are complaining about. Less qualified, (read less hours only), recipients of nepotism (cronyism/old boys club....or whatever), affirmative action candidates have and will get jobs before other suitable candidates.
Guys, we know this happens on a daily basis. We dont like it but it happens. Live with it. Long before I got my ATP I realised that my qualifications mean less than my ability to network my way into a job. And thats exactly what I did at 207 hours tt into the right seat of a regional turboprop....
Lets not complain about the goalposts that seem to shift every five minutes, we cant do anything about it!
I envy those two chicks....they did what they had to to get a job and I will continue to do what I know will get me a job. Network not fly!
Good luck girls
We have all been in the position that many of these posters are complaining about. Less qualified, (read less hours only), recipients of nepotism (cronyism/old boys club....or whatever), affirmative action candidates have and will get jobs before other suitable candidates.
Guys, we know this happens on a daily basis. We dont like it but it happens. Live with it. Long before I got my ATP I realised that my qualifications mean less than my ability to network my way into a job. And thats exactly what I did at 207 hours tt into the right seat of a regional turboprop....
Lets not complain about the goalposts that seem to shift every five minutes, we cant do anything about it!
I envy those two chicks....they did what they had to to get a job and I will continue to do what I know will get me a job. Network not fly!
Good luck girls
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I don't understand some people's mentality! 
Whenever a lady gets to a high position within a company why is it automatically assumed she opened her legs to get there?
Grow up guys!
Welcome aboard VB girls!!!
Whenever a lady gets to a high position within a company why is it automatically assumed she opened her legs to get there?
Grow up guys!
Welcome aboard VB girls!!!
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I am glad we are back to the thread, but at a later date, I will start another. Just checked to line a 25 yo girl, with 3200 hours, as a 737-800 captain. And she made the standard ( and we do have a BIG one), and she was not alone.
But as I said, I will talk about this later.
And no, I dont work for VB
But as I said, I will talk about this later.
And no, I dont work for VB
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A lot of people missing the point here! What 1200 hrs at age 21 says to the employer is this:
He/she knows exactly what he wants to do and
Has already done the hard work to get there, with no beating around the bush and
This is the sort of person we want in our cockpit.
The attitude shown by an early achiever like this is worth quite a bit of experience and can't be compared to your lowtime, inexperienced F/o alluded to by Boeing Belly earlier (who most likely became pilots because it looks like a good job!).
Good luck to these girls, they've already shown they have what it takes and that's what the management of VB sees.
He/she knows exactly what he wants to do and
Has already done the hard work to get there, with no beating around the bush and
This is the sort of person we want in our cockpit.
The attitude shown by an early achiever like this is worth quite a bit of experience and can't be compared to your lowtime, inexperienced F/o alluded to by Boeing Belly earlier (who most likely became pilots because it looks like a good job!).
Good luck to these girls, they've already shown they have what it takes and that's what the management of VB sees.
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well... good luck to everyone. They say the secret to sucess is to acutually 'mind your own bussiness...?
but hey guys , do you think the bank will loan me another 20 thou to get my 737 type rating- being a 23 yr old male and all
but hey guys , do you think the bank will loan me another 20 thou to get my 737 type rating- being a 23 yr old male and all
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You sound like a fellow spending too much time in your Fleet Manager's office and blinded by spin!
If experience means nothing, which is generally bellowed by the inexperienced and the Virgin Blue 737 Advanced Flight Training Program is churning out 1000 hour satisfactory products how will this affect pay and conditions in the future?
Why would Mr Corrigan give in to any reasonable pay demands when his specialist work force is so easily replacable? As experience means nothing in this benign air environment.
Brisbane house prices will continue to increase, inflation eats away as always but in real terms Virgin pay will slide further behind.
A recent F/A course was told by managemnt 5 years service max. I am cynical and believe this is because after this long service leave is pro rata payable! Virgin Blue is using turnover( for ground staff and F/As ) and low experience levels to keep wages down. It is brilliant and the aviation risk minimal-brand new planes and easy flying makes experience not so critical.
Don't kid yourself. One big happy Virgin family but shrewd and clever management. Inexperience will always keep Virgin blue wages in check!
Your only hope prohibitively expensive ab initio flying training costs to keep the hoardes away. And i doubt that will do it.
You sound like a fellow spending too much time in your Fleet Manager's office and blinded by spin!
If experience means nothing, which is generally bellowed by the inexperienced and the Virgin Blue 737 Advanced Flight Training Program is churning out 1000 hour satisfactory products how will this affect pay and conditions in the future?
Why would Mr Corrigan give in to any reasonable pay demands when his specialist work force is so easily replacable? As experience means nothing in this benign air environment.
Brisbane house prices will continue to increase, inflation eats away as always but in real terms Virgin pay will slide further behind.
A recent F/A course was told by managemnt 5 years service max. I am cynical and believe this is because after this long service leave is pro rata payable! Virgin Blue is using turnover( for ground staff and F/As ) and low experience levels to keep wages down. It is brilliant and the aviation risk minimal-brand new planes and easy flying makes experience not so critical.
Don't kid yourself. One big happy Virgin family but shrewd and clever management. Inexperience will always keep Virgin blue wages in check!
Your only hope prohibitively expensive ab initio flying training costs to keep the hoardes away. And i doubt that will do it.
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Well then I guess experience counts for nothing, Gnadenburg. You're reading far too much into this but, hey, don't let me get in the way of a good conspiracy theory. You're spending far too much time in the depths of your own mind.
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You're spending far too much time in the depths of your own mind.
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Slightly off topic but since it has been raised...what do Virgin crews earn? One post above mentions $69K with a $40K pay rise on transition to LHS, I understood the wages were higher than that for F/Os?
It is interesting to consider how low wages could go. GA pilots happy to be out of 30 year old under equipped aircraft and into a shiny new Boeing in the flight levels. What is that worth? What does a first year graduate GP earn or a law graduate after 5-6 years at university?
Interesting to compare.
It is interesting to consider how low wages could go. GA pilots happy to be out of 30 year old under equipped aircraft and into a shiny new Boeing in the flight levels. What is that worth? What does a first year graduate GP earn or a law graduate after 5-6 years at university?
Interesting to compare.
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Or better still Icarus - is there a limit? How low can pilots wages go? A geniune question (no bashing please).
What is the award for an FO...69K?
Sorry off the topic...good luck girls and to all those getting a gig - must be nice to be out GA.
Its good to hear of a few GA drivers getting a go.
What is the award for an FO...69K?
Sorry off the topic...good luck girls and to all those getting a gig - must be nice to be out GA.
Its good to hear of a few GA drivers getting a go.
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Could not agree more Gnadenberg.
Irrespective of age or sex there is no combination for the right mix of experience, training and a level mature head.
If a young pilot receives adequate training and is allowed to apply that and further learn through experience then they should be promoted as soon as practicable. The 5 year command at Ansett after the dispute proved that even in a major airline a quick command was possible (yes, even at 25).
I do not know (honestly) if the DJ training machine is that advanced.
Irrespective of age or sex there is no combination for the right mix of experience, training and a level mature head.
If a young pilot receives adequate training and is allowed to apply that and further learn through experience then they should be promoted as soon as practicable. The 5 year command at Ansett after the dispute proved that even in a major airline a quick command was possible (yes, even at 25).
I do not know (honestly) if the DJ training machine is that advanced.
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Can't remember the last time I actually caught sight of the Captain when sitting in 14D. Do they have their date of birth imprinted on their hats or something? Really now, who cares? Flown heaps in GA with very young 'Captains' and always assumed that they had adequate experience and had gone through all the CASA checks which enabled them to fly RPT services. Of course the older one gets, the younger the pilots (and doctors etc) look. Would be far more concerned with the idea of having 4 x 18 yo FAs on board - although perhaps DJ won't be rostering such younguns on together after the fiasco in Melbourne the other week.