Qantas DOES buy 1/4 of ANZ!!
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The really sad thing is that if the NZ Gov had allowed Singapore to increase their stake in Air New Zealand we would have had two strong international airlines now competing against each other. Instead we now look foward to a QF/Air New Zealand duopoly with no real competition, little growth and certainly no major growth in employment opportunies for ppuners.
Oh well I guess the NZ Government was desperate for somone white to bail out the stupidity of the past
Oh well I guess the NZ Government was desperate for somone white to bail out the stupidity of the past
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IMHO
Qantas will corral ANZ the same way it has corraled Air Pacific (of which it owns in excess of 22 1/2%). It will allow the local carrier to do what it does best whilst it uses itself as the major feed source.
What does this mean for pilots?
Expect QF pilots to see the international - long haul benefits of the deal.
Expect ANZ pilots to see the domestic / Pacific island nation (read 737) benefits of the deal.
NZALPA have no claim whatsoever to the benefits of this arrangement and therefore should pull their heads in before they are collectively shot off. They should remain grateful for theirs and their members continued survival and forever regret their previously greedy claims to unnaturally covet what did not belong to them.
Qantas will corral ANZ the same way it has corraled Air Pacific (of which it owns in excess of 22 1/2%). It will allow the local carrier to do what it does best whilst it uses itself as the major feed source.
What does this mean for pilots?
Expect QF pilots to see the international - long haul benefits of the deal.
Expect ANZ pilots to see the domestic / Pacific island nation (read 737) benefits of the deal.
NZALPA have no claim whatsoever to the benefits of this arrangement and therefore should pull their heads in before they are collectively shot off. They should remain grateful for theirs and their members continued survival and forever regret their previously greedy claims to unnaturally covet what did not belong to them.
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NO JOB CUTS?
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I guess by that you mean NO job cuts in NZ.
Unless my maths is degrading in line with my increased beer consumption - I take this to mean a migration of jobs to NZ.
There is no way that this kind of deal will create jobs overall.
Does this mean a loss of jobs at QF maint. bases in Melb. & Sy. as the red tailed bandit schedules work in Christchurch??.
* No job cuts but 200 more engineering jobs, mainly in Christchurch.
I guess by that you mean NO job cuts in NZ.
Unless my maths is degrading in line with my increased beer consumption - I take this to mean a migration of jobs to NZ.
There is no way that this kind of deal will create jobs overall.
Does this mean a loss of jobs at QF maint. bases in Melb. & Sy. as the red tailed bandit schedules work in Christchurch??.
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So what happens in NZ domesticly? Origin Pacific are feeding to QF (NZ) whilst Eagle, Air nelson and Mount Cook feed to the ANZ system. Now that QF and ANZ are getting a little cosy does this mean that the feeders all go under one banner or continue competing against each other?
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Well ANZ's engineering hourly cost is $90hr and QF's is $140 hr so of cause we'll be doing more of QF engineering work, simple economics boys.
Plans are already underway to build another hangar for all the extra QF and contract work. Plus 200 hunderd extra spanner lads for CHC and they have been hiring flat out for the AKL engineering base as well.
As for fleet replacement, well we have 15 A320's coming with another 20 options at an incredibly low cost deal. 100 new pilots in the next 18 months.
The new domestic express service (low cost fares) is going mad with huge loads everywhere.
As for the Tasman, We are the cheaper operator cost wise(equals more profit= QF getting more $ from the profit share arrangement we have made) so it makes sense we'll be doing more of the flights, especially as we are going to be controlling all the scheduling for the tasman, in exchange for not setting up in Aust. domestically (like we would)
It'll be a win win deal, we get QF off our back and expand, Dixon gets to wave a big stick at your high cost structure and get out of losing 80mil a year operating here domestically.
Plans are already underway to build another hangar for all the extra QF and contract work. Plus 200 hunderd extra spanner lads for CHC and they have been hiring flat out for the AKL engineering base as well.
As for fleet replacement, well we have 15 A320's coming with another 20 options at an incredibly low cost deal. 100 new pilots in the next 18 months.
The new domestic express service (low cost fares) is going mad with huge loads everywhere.
As for the Tasman, We are the cheaper operator cost wise(equals more profit= QF getting more $ from the profit share arrangement we have made) so it makes sense we'll be doing more of the flights, especially as we are going to be controlling all the scheduling for the tasman, in exchange for not setting up in Aust. domestically (like we would)
It'll be a win win deal, we get QF off our back and expand, Dixon gets to wave a big stick at your high cost structure and get out of losing 80mil a year operating here domestically.
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R-F-G
Hey not my words. Read the reference...
Although I thought I suggested we leave that dead duck AN alone.
No job cuts but 200 more engineering jobs, mainly in Christchurch
Although I thought I suggested we leave that dead duck AN alone.
Barbers Pole
You sound like a New Zealand shearer.
I think your disjointed pilot group will be outmanoeuvred by the Qantas pilots' association.
I here TJ will be down your way soon. His expertise with the Air NZ pilots in another life, well recognised by your new bosses.
You sound like a New Zealand shearer.
I think your disjointed pilot group will be outmanoeuvred by the Qantas pilots' association.
I here TJ will be down your way soon. His expertise with the Air NZ pilots in another life, well recognised by your new bosses.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
I`d be a little careful with the gloating, B.P.!
"As for fleet replacement, well we have 15 A320's coming with another 20 options at an incredibly low cost deal. 100 new pilots in the next 18 months.
Hmmm, anyone know where we might find some A320-endorsed pilots?
And some out-of-work LAME`s, rated B76, B73, and A320, who would probably consider moving to CHC?
After all, most Aussies see Air New Zealand as having some sort of MORAL obligation to ex-AN employees!!
You MIGHT just be correct with your "win-win" statement!
"As for fleet replacement, well we have 15 A320's coming with another 20 options at an incredibly low cost deal. 100 new pilots in the next 18 months.
Hmmm, anyone know where we might find some A320-endorsed pilots?
And some out-of-work LAME`s, rated B76, B73, and A320, who would probably consider moving to CHC?
After all, most Aussies see Air New Zealand as having some sort of MORAL obligation to ex-AN employees!!
You MIGHT just be correct with your "win-win" statement!
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Well ANZ's engineering hourly cost is $90hr and QF's is $140 hr so of cause we'll be doing more of QF engineering work, simple economics boys.
DJ are currently training AAES (Ansett engineering) LAME's on the 737NG for overflow work rather than send it to NZ. QF sent a high level delegation down from SYD to look at having 737/767 maintenance carried out at AAES. 6 months ago they didn't want to touch us because of the administration. Something made them change their mind.
I have no doubt that some work will stray across the tasman to sweeten the deal but bean counters only seem to look at short term gains and not the long term pain. It would certainly be interesting to see a 12 month reliability study between a product overhauled in Oz vs NZ.
simple economics boys
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well well, once again the handbags are going like the clappers,
maybe the mod's should ban these sort of threads, my book of insults is running dry.
maybe the mod's should ban these sort of threads, my book of insults is running dry.
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Rotating Shift work at AKL only offered $50K Sheep dollars
If they offered it for a LAME then I guess they saw you coming.
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B.P. Gloating is a pretty typical response from a Kiwi when it comes to anything Australian.
I can confirm that the 73's that came back from Kiwi were pretty ordinary. I think a restructured AN engineering will give you lot a real run for the money. I also expect the AIPA will get pretty active because this affects their real baby-long haul. If it affected short haul they wouldnt give a toss(as usual).If you get to control the Tasman then the quid pro quo would be QF controlling the pacific!I'd like to see that. Did I mention the EBA period commencing soon for QF pilots .
I can confirm that the 73's that came back from Kiwi were pretty ordinary. I think a restructured AN engineering will give you lot a real run for the money. I also expect the AIPA will get pretty active because this affects their real baby-long haul. If it affected short haul they wouldnt give a toss(as usual).If you get to control the Tasman then the quid pro quo would be QF controlling the pacific!I'd like to see that. Did I mention the EBA period commencing soon for QF pilots .
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Shares in both companies - Air N.Z., and QANTAS - have dropped again, following an initial increase.
Whilst APPEARING to be good for both companies, inasmuch as it will strengthen both, there are bound to be staff cuts (as with all mergers), and in this case lead to a monopoly - certainly trans-Tasman - and very likely in the Australia-Pacific region - which is NOT in the interests of the Australian, Kiwi, or any other travellers of that area.
WIN/WIN for upper management, and LOSE/LOSE/LOSE for EVERYONE ELSE!
Perhaps a 10% interest in ANZ by QF, but no code-sharing/rationalisation of trans-Tasman flights.
Any Oz domestic flights operated by Air N.Z. should be INSTEAD of QANTAS - not in ADDITION TO (to stop V.B., or any other domestic operator being wiped out.)
Whilst APPEARING to be good for both companies, inasmuch as it will strengthen both, there are bound to be staff cuts (as with all mergers), and in this case lead to a monopoly - certainly trans-Tasman - and very likely in the Australia-Pacific region - which is NOT in the interests of the Australian, Kiwi, or any other travellers of that area.
WIN/WIN for upper management, and LOSE/LOSE/LOSE for EVERYONE ELSE!
Perhaps a 10% interest in ANZ by QF, but no code-sharing/rationalisation of trans-Tasman flights.
Any Oz domestic flights operated by Air N.Z. should be INSTEAD of QANTAS - not in ADDITION TO (to stop V.B., or any other domestic operator being wiped out.)
ZK-NSJ
So precious you!
There is an anti-QF/Australian groundswell in NZ at the moment. Politicians, websites etc etc. All because of little man nationalism.
You are upset because a few PPruners vent their spleen, their anti-AirNZ sentiments borne of losing jobs.
The QF lifeline is a win-win for Air NZ. Another opportunity to bludge, yes, but the alternative is not pretty.
$10 promo airfares across the Tasman from Virgin Blue and a super strong Qantas. AirNZ recapitalisation beyond your economic means and political will. Death by a thousand cuts as your inept management would attemp to restructure(low cost model), no doubt always a step behind the big boys at play.
Go it alone and ther will be thousands of job losses and an uncertain future. Bludge off Qantas, get on all fours and accept a few job losses. Helen Clarke knows this the prettiest alternative.
There should be no job losses on our side of the Tasman. That would not be right considering.
So precious you!
There is an anti-QF/Australian groundswell in NZ at the moment. Politicians, websites etc etc. All because of little man nationalism.
You are upset because a few PPruners vent their spleen, their anti-AirNZ sentiments borne of losing jobs.
The QF lifeline is a win-win for Air NZ. Another opportunity to bludge, yes, but the alternative is not pretty.
$10 promo airfares across the Tasman from Virgin Blue and a super strong Qantas. AirNZ recapitalisation beyond your economic means and political will. Death by a thousand cuts as your inept management would attemp to restructure(low cost model), no doubt always a step behind the big boys at play.
Go it alone and ther will be thousands of job losses and an uncertain future. Bludge off Qantas, get on all fours and accept a few job losses. Helen Clarke knows this the prettiest alternative.
There should be no job losses on our side of the Tasman. That would not be right considering.
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Geez, no wonder a lot of people can't be bothered posting on this forum!
The trade off agreed for the Tasman is that ANZ wont operate domestically in aust or fly from aust to any of the asian destinations in the future, I'd say that suits us fine.
Kaptain M, we already have guys in Turlose doing type ratings and then going to get some time on type at a friendly airline, our sim is due here early next year and your suggestion that ex An guys will be hired to fly our 320's is laughable.
As for TJ coming back here, well thats even a bigger joke, I know the QF pilots would love to see the back of him (I hope it happens) but anyone who had anything to do with the An debacle in ANZ has been sacked by our new CEO.
You lot should remember that it wasn't us who wanted this deal, it was Dixon who's been after it for the last 18mths, I'd stop worrying/slagging us and look at whats happening a little closer to home.
The trade off agreed for the Tasman is that ANZ wont operate domestically in aust or fly from aust to any of the asian destinations in the future, I'd say that suits us fine.
Kaptain M, we already have guys in Turlose doing type ratings and then going to get some time on type at a friendly airline, our sim is due here early next year and your suggestion that ex An guys will be hired to fly our 320's is laughable.
As for TJ coming back here, well thats even a bigger joke, I know the QF pilots would love to see the back of him (I hope it happens) but anyone who had anything to do with the An debacle in ANZ has been sacked by our new CEO.
You lot should remember that it wasn't us who wanted this deal, it was Dixon who's been after it for the last 18mths, I'd stop worrying/slagging us and look at whats happening a little closer to home.