Ansett 737 last day (CZD)
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Age: 84
Posts: 492
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well said, Buster, I despair of how long M&M are going to keep us hanging on. I found, while checking my bank statement the other day, that I had been paid the princely sum of $301.13 by the AN Administrators, no explanation by mail, e-mail or any other form of communication, what are we to think? Just keep on hanging on, I guess.
Kind regards,
TheNightOwl.
Kind regards,
TheNightOwl.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Qld Aust
Posts: 164
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Two Tools,
This discussion was about and aeroplane CZD not about 89. Now you can start blaming the machine for continuing to fly without your gods in the cockpit. You really are a sick person Two Tools.
This discussion was about and aeroplane CZD not about 89. Now you can start blaming the machine for continuing to fly without your gods in the cockpit. You really are a sick person Two Tools.
Last edited by Pole Vaulter; 1st Nov 2002 at 22:20.
Don Quixote Impersonator
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Australia
Age: 77
Posts: 3,403
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The answer is in your hands guys.
As creditors, take control back from their union mates, sack em, and appoint receivers who will liquidate and put it to death, quickly.
The assett values they keep feeding you and the Govt are as rubbery as the condom they are using on you and just aren't going to be realised anytime soon.
Crystallise the fact that you have all been gulled, accept that your "entitlements" have been spent on that crazy fox hunt and as I'm sure most of you have or are doing, get on with the rest of your lives.
CZDs fate is probably that of most of what's left and in any event only pays for the office Christmas Party.
Then agitate for a Royal Commission into the whole sorry administration fiasco and chasing the Board members and executives of the company who continued to trade the Company whilst they were patently insolvent.
Oh I forgot, the Aministrators traded away your rights on the latter, for enough funds to keep themselves going.
Meanwhile the ACTU gets a free ride, keeps their industry power base more or less intact and all financed with your entitlements.
I'm surprised that you are still able to sit down.
As creditors, take control back from their union mates, sack em, and appoint receivers who will liquidate and put it to death, quickly.
The assett values they keep feeding you and the Govt are as rubbery as the condom they are using on you and just aren't going to be realised anytime soon.
Crystallise the fact that you have all been gulled, accept that your "entitlements" have been spent on that crazy fox hunt and as I'm sure most of you have or are doing, get on with the rest of your lives.
CZDs fate is probably that of most of what's left and in any event only pays for the office Christmas Party.
Then agitate for a Royal Commission into the whole sorry administration fiasco and chasing the Board members and executives of the company who continued to trade the Company whilst they were patently insolvent.
Oh I forgot, the Aministrators traded away your rights on the latter, for enough funds to keep themselves going.
Meanwhile the ACTU gets a free ride, keeps their industry power base more or less intact and all financed with your entitlements.
I'm surprised that you are still able to sit down.
Well said, Gaunty!
The future of the bones and dregs of Ansett - and the staff entitrlements - are solely in the hands of the creditors. I'm amazed the creditors continue to sanction and legitimise the rape and pillage of their own money and entitlements.
The future of the bones and dregs of Ansett - and the staff entitrlements - are solely in the hands of the creditors. I'm amazed the creditors continue to sanction and legitimise the rape and pillage of their own money and entitlements.
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Australia
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thanks Buster, you are right, but it just erks me, a few of my F/O mates are in Q as S/O's, flying with some of these arrogant NZ national Captains, who seem to have a handle on everything that was wrong with Ansett, except for Air New Zealand, why are they here, why don't they go fly with Air Garbage, the fact is ANZ were standing there with the smoking gun, and for the other intellectuals, like tool man, it was under News and TNT that the 767, 737, 727LR orders were made, what is the legacy of Air Garbage, all you have to do is look at the photos posted by rmm. And yes Buster, one of the M's has to go around incognito at his holiday home, as I spoke to a person the other day who is his neighbour, and thats exactly what they are doing is milking it for what they can, as Kerry Packer said once about Alan Bond, "people like Alan come once in a life time", after this the 2 M's can be on easy street for ever. as for me still flying from the touchy Kiwis around the place, another quote from a F/O in Q taxing past the Ansett Terminal in SY "YES!!! I've been waiting 13 years for this", I'd be more worried about flying with that idiot, Ansett was a wonderfull company with exceptional people, service second to none, only to be stymied by a pathetic, stupid, incompetent New Zealand company.....
Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Buckshot- we used to call it CZ Dog but only cos it was a bit bent and flew a little sideways.I'm a bit worried because CZA-P were basically the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!I think CZA-L were 86 models and M-P about 88.
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Dunnunda & Godzone
Age: 74
Posts: 4,275
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My angst-o-meter is starting to approach the yellow zone, I think we have covered the AirNz/Ansett issues well enough before, so how about cooling it down a touch chaps.
The real enemy is not each other as individuals.
The real enemy is not each other as individuals.
topend 3
Hello again.
On another post you claimed to be an exAN 747 pilot delivering pizza. Joking how the money was bad but the pizza good!
A bit insensitive considering that post on the welfare of Ansett employees.
Bit of pushing and proding we discovered you to be a Kiwi. As I said before, stop pretending to be an Aussie.
Amatuerish to get upset at the anti-AirNZ sentiments from aggrieved AN people. Especially considering your insensitive, and to some, offensive posts hiding behind the facade of an Aussie.
The role of NZ in the Ansett demise undeniable. The degree of responsibility is what is debatable. An evasion or denial of responsibility the definition of bludging.
Is New Zealand a bludging nation? I think Ansett another piece in the puzzle. The final piece for some Australians but for others, the next piece may be just around the corner!
Could really use another well equiped ally in the fight on terror.
Hello again.
On another post you claimed to be an exAN 747 pilot delivering pizza. Joking how the money was bad but the pizza good!
A bit insensitive considering that post on the welfare of Ansett employees.
Bit of pushing and proding we discovered you to be a Kiwi. As I said before, stop pretending to be an Aussie.
Amatuerish to get upset at the anti-AirNZ sentiments from aggrieved AN people. Especially considering your insensitive, and to some, offensive posts hiding behind the facade of an Aussie.
The role of NZ in the Ansett demise undeniable. The degree of responsibility is what is debatable. An evasion or denial of responsibility the definition of bludging.
Is New Zealand a bludging nation? I think Ansett another piece in the puzzle. The final piece for some Australians but for others, the next piece may be just around the corner!
Could really use another well equiped ally in the fight on terror.
gnadburger...not you again, my reference to being an ex an dri9ver was purely humourous and had nothing to do with my opinions surrounding the demise of an and airnz's involvement.
yes i am a kiwi and bloody proud of it, and no im not pretending to be an aussie.
i have never said airnz is at no fault for ansett's demise, the point i keep making is that ansett management was equally responsible for the fate of their own company, airnz made some mistakes of their own, i admit that but that is not the fault of 3.5 million innocent kiwis and no reason for the constant bleating on the part of you aussies.
as for you richard kranium, buy the book recording ansett's history - on sale from mid november, you might learn some facts as i think you are rather mis-informed as to events surrounding ansett's death. this seems a popular view running through tthe posts on this topic, which started as a simple reference to the break up of an aircraft...
yes i am a kiwi and bloody proud of it, and no im not pretending to be an aussie.
i have never said airnz is at no fault for ansett's demise, the point i keep making is that ansett management was equally responsible for the fate of their own company, airnz made some mistakes of their own, i admit that but that is not the fault of 3.5 million innocent kiwis and no reason for the constant bleating on the part of you aussies.
as for you richard kranium, buy the book recording ansett's history - on sale from mid november, you might learn some facts as i think you are rather mis-informed as to events surrounding ansett's death. this seems a popular view running through tthe posts on this topic, which started as a simple reference to the break up of an aircraft...
Evertonian
Well, I know what I know first hand & I've heard plenty of other stuff, but, I formulate my opinions on what I know that are facts. Remember, it's the victors that get to write the history books. I'll trust my memory & save my dollars.
Gaunty, just the other day I was thinking of starting a groundswell to do just that. If only PWC were allowed to finish the job they started, I wonder if they'd like to come back?
It's time to kick a few heads people!
Gaunty, just the other day I was thinking of starting a groundswell to do just that. If only PWC were allowed to finish the job they started, I wonder if they'd like to come back?
It's time to kick a few heads people!
Join Date: May 2002
Location: BNE
Posts: 256
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
A few more picture's added thanks to Lozza2002. Not a pretty site to see a 733 turned into a 6 pack.
http://members.optushome.com.au/vhrmm
http://members.optushome.com.au/vhrmm
Don Quixote Impersonator
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Australia
Age: 77
Posts: 3,403
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It's almost obscene seeing those photos, almost like watching your granny naked.
Like all airliners, the dreams, reunions, partings, business, urgent family stuff, probably even the odd apprentice terrorist, the innumerable life stories that surrounded every passenger she proudly and routinely carried through the skies.
Now only a fading memory.
Like all airliners, the dreams, reunions, partings, business, urgent family stuff, probably even the odd apprentice terrorist, the innumerable life stories that surrounded every passenger she proudly and routinely carried through the skies.
Now only a fading memory.
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Oz
Posts: 250
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Arrive BN approx 0720 and noticed the frame sitting on the grass
Departed approx 0820 and she was nearly all gone!Very sad
Surely such a young fame would have been of use to someone,maybe as a freighter conversion etc.
What a waste!!!!!
Departed approx 0820 and she was nearly all gone!Very sad
Surely such a young fame would have been of use to someone,maybe as a freighter conversion etc.
What a waste!!!!!
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Syd
Posts: 256
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
When I joined Ansett in the early nineties it was a great company to work for. Morale was high, the aircraft were serviceable and the photo copiers always had paper in them. News Corp/ TNT were never going to make Ansett truly prosper, but they always seemed to tip just enough money into it to keep it going. When AirNZ bought the first 50% nobody worried too much. It soon became evident talking to Management ( from all areas) that AirNZ were considered by NewsCorp to be a "hostile" partner. When they got the other half it was like a thick fog had descended on the airline. It was so obvious to everbody, except AirNZ, that they had bitten off more than they could chew. They had neither the resources nor the skills to manage the combined airline. The day to day operations were affected by the chips on their shoulders. It was their way or no way. It went downhill so quickly. Once when you had the occasional MEL, now they were so numerous that some remarked it would be good if the stickers were grey instead of red. Far less distracting. Nothing ever got fixed. The sign-on computers would crash and stay down for a week or more. The printers in the briefing room would run out of ink and go days, even weeks, without a refill. They got rid of the company Doctor in Australia. The only one was in NZ. The flights were always late because you were forever waiting for an incoming flight so you could rob a spare part off them.(They would fix the "new" problem later). I remember sitting in Brisbane one night in a full aircraft (AirNZ also have the distinction of closing an airline that flew around more often than not full) waiting for the inbound from Melbourne so that we could rob a landing light off them. We had one MELd and the other went U/S on final. No spare landing light in Brissie. In fact no spare landing lights in Ansett. The engineers told me that AirNZ had cacelled a large spare parts order including the landing lights!!!! The rot may have started years ago, but it became terminal the instant AirNZ got their claws into us. I don't really dis-like Kiwis, that would be like saying all Germans were Nazis. They just suffer as a Nation from a huge dose of insecurity. Were as Australia is a Nation of winners, NZ for the most part is a Nation of losers. It's always somebody elses fault. "We bought a lemon" they say. Well, who made you? Kaptin M made a comment recently that he hated Ansett. Not so much the people ( a few excepted I suppose) but more the name as such. I have similar feelings. I don't hate Kiwis, even those that work for their airline, but I despise AirNZ and everything it represents. I really hope that those small minded lot over there don't let "that Australian airline buy into our National carrier" because I would like to see them fail. They won't be missed, the void would soon be filled.
Don Quixote Impersonator
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Australia
Age: 77
Posts: 3,403
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Boeing Belly
Robbing Peter to fly Paul sounds familiar, just like the busted arse GA poverty mentality. Inevitably and ultimately self destructive.
Robbing Peter to fly Paul sounds familiar, just like the busted arse GA poverty mentality. Inevitably and ultimately self destructive.
you are a bitter, twisted man BB, nation of losers??? a bit harsh i think, after that underarm incident i called you a nation oif cheats for a few years i suppose....