Qantas A330 Introduction.
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In Frozen Chunks (Cloud Cuckoo Land)
Age: 17
Posts: 1,521
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well....what i heard was that QANTAS is cancelling every aircraft order and selling its entire fleet to be replaced with the 6 new Scaremonger 500. It seats 1000 people in 1/2 class configuration and has (best of all) 1 flight attendant (over 65). 
Guest
Posts: n/a
Heard QF6008 (330 ferry flight) from Touluose to Aus asking for wind Adl-Mel today. This was at around 0300Z. AC departed at ~1000Z yesterday and was trying to make it to MEL direct ... Initial plan was ADL.
Interesting comment was the planned descent profile.... 210 KIAS. I presume min drag/max range speed to preserve fuel.
Made it to MEL I hear.
Interesting comment was the planned descent profile.... 210 KIAS. I presume min drag/max range speed to preserve fuel.
Made it to MEL I hear.
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Worldwide
Posts: 340
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Peter T,
Don't think so, some of the A330-300's are not due to be delviery for ages (QPA-QPF&EBG), QPA is not set for delivery until oct/03. EBC & EBD are due first half of 03. EBG an A333 is the last of them at this stage, due for delivery may 05. The A332's EBE & EBF have been deferred.
OQA the first of the A380-841s is due nov 06 and the last of them OQL due may 09.
Gafa,
Correct me if I am wrong, I thought VH-TAA the first of the A300B4-103's MSN 134 to (TAA->QF) was ex P2-ANG, not new from the factory.
Z
Don't think so, some of the A330-300's are not due to be delviery for ages (QPA-QPF&EBG), QPA is not set for delivery until oct/03. EBC & EBD are due first half of 03. EBG an A333 is the last of them at this stage, due for delivery may 05. The A332's EBE & EBF have been deferred.
OQA the first of the A380-841s is due nov 06 and the last of them OQL due may 09.
Gafa,
Correct me if I am wrong, I thought VH-TAA the first of the A300B4-103's MSN 134 to (TAA->QF) was ex P2-ANG, not new from the factory.
Z
All,
Below is some information that was sent to Airservices by Qantas so at least the controllers know what to expect (which ain't that much). This is some Tower relevant information and there was other information more pertinent to Sectors and Approach (slow approach speeds).
The A330 is similar to the B777 or B747 in terms of the runway that it uses on landing. It is not normal for us to be able to vacate quickly after landing.
The A330 is very slow when making 90 degree turns on the ground. It generally is a slow aircraft when taxiing and ‘expedite’ requests when taxiing, will be complied with as best as possible, but please don’t expect a rapid response.
The aircraft pushback and start sequence is normal and similar to other large twins. Note that it has the physical size of just under a B747 Classic aircraft. Also as the aircraft will have a fair amount of training crews, there may be a slower than normal start sequence until more experience has been gained.
And what did I say...bold
Below is some information that was sent to Airservices by Qantas so at least the controllers know what to expect (which ain't that much). This is some Tower relevant information and there was other information more pertinent to Sectors and Approach (slow approach speeds).
The A330 is similar to the B777 or B747 in terms of the runway that it uses on landing. It is not normal for us to be able to vacate quickly after landing.
The A330 is very slow when making 90 degree turns on the ground. It generally is a slow aircraft when taxiing and ‘expedite’ requests when taxiing, will be complied with as best as possible, but please don’t expect a rapid response.
The aircraft pushback and start sequence is normal and similar to other large twins. Note that it has the physical size of just under a B747 Classic aircraft. Also as the aircraft will have a fair amount of training crews, there may be a slower than normal start sequence until more experience has been gained.
And what did I say...bold
Please disregard the "bold" bit at the end of my last point as I was trying some formatting but it didn't work!!
Oh yeah, I hear the other day when operating 34 parallel departures the A330 wanted RWY 34L for departure rather than RWY 34R. To MEL via the "gong" so what's the story?
Oh yeah, I hear the other day when operating 34 parallel departures the A330 wanted RWY 34L for departure rather than RWY 34R. To MEL via the "gong" so what's the story?
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Brisbane
Age: 77
Posts: 1,406
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Qantas recently took delivery of its first Airbus A330 aircraft, which will replace older Boeing 767s on domestic routes.
Qantas has ordered 13 A330s to be delivered over the next three years.
The A330 seats about 300 passengers and features more cabin space.
The planes will be used on Qantas Cityflyer routes, including the new service between Melbourne and Perth launched last week, as well as Sydney and Perth and Brisbane and Perth.
Mr Gurney said the airline had upgraded its in-flight service on the route, including bigger meals and a second service during the flight.
"This is the first of an overall review of catering across the network," he said.
Mr Gurney said Qantas would announce details of an Internet and SMS messaging service this year.
Qantas has ordered 13 A330s to be delivered over the next three years.
The A330 seats about 300 passengers and features more cabin space.
The planes will be used on Qantas Cityflyer routes, including the new service between Melbourne and Perth launched last week, as well as Sydney and Perth and Brisbane and Perth.
Mr Gurney said the airline had upgraded its in-flight service on the route, including bigger meals and a second service during the flight.
"This is the first of an overall review of catering across the network," he said.
Mr Gurney said Qantas would announce details of an Internet and SMS messaging service this year.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Tasmania
Posts: 168
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Airsupport,
PER-BNE? Seems a big increase in capacity, especially when DJ recently started as well. If 330 is being used, will QF keep the double daily, or cut back to one service? It was only a few years ago when QF had no service at all on this route, now a 300 seat jet!
PER-BNE? Seems a big increase in capacity, especially when DJ recently started as well. If 330 is being used, will QF keep the double daily, or cut back to one service? It was only a few years ago when QF had no service at all on this route, now a 300 seat jet!
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Brisbane
Age: 77
Posts: 1,406
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well you would have to ask Qantas for the official position.
I believe that they are doing this because Virgin Blue "have crossed the line in the sand".
That is, Qantas were prepared to tolerate Virgin Blue to a certain extent, however they have now become too much of a nuisance
especially on the Perth route.
So now Qantas are going to use these A330s and massively improve their inflight service (on the Perth route anyway
) to repel Virgin Blue..............
I believe that they are doing this because Virgin Blue "have crossed the line in the sand".
That is, Qantas were prepared to tolerate Virgin Blue to a certain extent, however they have now become too much of a nuisance
especially on the Perth route.So now Qantas are going to use these A330s and massively improve their inflight service (on the Perth route anyway
) to repel Virgin Blue..............
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Australia
Posts: 103
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re info to Airservices from Qantas:
“The A330 is very slow when making 90 degree turns on the ground. It generally is a slow aircraft when taxiing and ‘expedite’ requests when taxiing, will be complied with as best as possible, but please don’t expect a rapid response.”
The real reason they (A330) are slow in making large turns is due to a design fault / limitation of the undercarriage. The wheels on the bogie are further apart (fore aft) than those on the older A300/310 series aircraft. If sharp or tight turns are made the undercarriage is prone to cracking !
Operators of the A340 have the same problem. Pilots just have to understand the limitation and live with it.
Typical Airbus …………. Another limitation rather than a design fix.
“The A330 is very slow when making 90 degree turns on the ground. It generally is a slow aircraft when taxiing and ‘expedite’ requests when taxiing, will be complied with as best as possible, but please don’t expect a rapid response.”
The real reason they (A330) are slow in making large turns is due to a design fault / limitation of the undercarriage. The wheels on the bogie are further apart (fore aft) than those on the older A300/310 series aircraft. If sharp or tight turns are made the undercarriage is prone to cracking !
Operators of the A340 have the same problem. Pilots just have to understand the limitation and live with it.
Typical Airbus …………. Another limitation rather than a design fix.
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Brisbane
Age: 77
Posts: 1,406
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
THE newest Qantas A330-200 is headed for the record books after a 17,000km non -stop delivery flight from France to Melbourne. The airline is waiting for confirmation from the Australian Sport Aviation Confederation that the 20-hour flight was a world record.
The new plane, VH-EBB, is the airline's second A330 and landed in Melbourne on Christmas Day after the marathon flight from the Airbus factory in Toulouse.
"We believe we have achieved a distance-without-landing milestone of 16,910km , improving on the current record of 11,249km which was accomplished on a flight from Toulouse to Santiago, Chile, on March 21, 1998," said executive general manager aircraft operations David Forsyth. "The distance flown by VH- EBB demonstrates the range capability and efficiency of the A330-200. "
VH-EBB joined its sister, VH-EBA, on Cityflyer routes yesterday and will be used between Sydney and Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth.
The twin-engine aircraft are the first of seven A330-200s and six bigger A330 -300s ordered to replace older 767-200s as Qantas's mid-size workhorse.
They are part of a multi-billion dollar Airbus deal that broke Boeing's stranglehold at Qantas and will see the introduction of 515-seat A380 super jumbos in 2006.
Meanwhile, the last Boeing 747-200 in service at Qantas headed off to an American desert retirement this week. VH-EBS, The City of Broken Hill, entered service in 1981.
The new plane, VH-EBB, is the airline's second A330 and landed in Melbourne on Christmas Day after the marathon flight from the Airbus factory in Toulouse.
"We believe we have achieved a distance-without-landing milestone of 16,910km , improving on the current record of 11,249km which was accomplished on a flight from Toulouse to Santiago, Chile, on March 21, 1998," said executive general manager aircraft operations David Forsyth. "The distance flown by VH- EBB demonstrates the range capability and efficiency of the A330-200. "
VH-EBB joined its sister, VH-EBA, on Cityflyer routes yesterday and will be used between Sydney and Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth.
The twin-engine aircraft are the first of seven A330-200s and six bigger A330 -300s ordered to replace older 767-200s as Qantas's mid-size workhorse.
They are part of a multi-billion dollar Airbus deal that broke Boeing's stranglehold at Qantas and will see the introduction of 515-seat A380 super jumbos in 2006.
Meanwhile, the last Boeing 747-200 in service at Qantas headed off to an American desert retirement this week. VH-EBS, The City of Broken Hill, entered service in 1981.
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Asia
Posts: 381
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Good to see Broken Hill off to Boot Hill...
Now all they have to do is clean up their act with the 743's.
All this talk about upgraded equipment and service with the 330's while the punters in Asia still put up with the rubbish.
The last ride I had from Sydney to Narita a week or so ago in the 'Rome maingear collapse' 743 shows how little they care about the Japanese market. No complaints so everything must be OK. Well it ain't I am afraid when a lot of the seats are broken and the skirting boards have parted company from the rest of the interior and the wide-eyed Japanese look in fear at naked ribbing!! Not to mention the galleys. No wonder they only fly these babies at night!!
Likewise JAL seem to treat the Australian service with similar contempt but at least their antiques are better internally maintained.
Have given up writing..it is a waste of paper.
Now all they have to do is clean up their act with the 743's.
All this talk about upgraded equipment and service with the 330's while the punters in Asia still put up with the rubbish.
The last ride I had from Sydney to Narita a week or so ago in the 'Rome maingear collapse' 743 shows how little they care about the Japanese market. No complaints so everything must be OK. Well it ain't I am afraid when a lot of the seats are broken and the skirting boards have parted company from the rest of the interior and the wide-eyed Japanese look in fear at naked ribbing!! Not to mention the galleys. No wonder they only fly these babies at night!!
Likewise JAL seem to treat the Australian service with similar contempt but at least their antiques are better internally maintained.
Have given up writing..it is a waste of paper.
Nunc est bibendum
Traffic, QFs 743s are currently all undergoing an upgrade. New business class and economy seating to match the systems currently being put into the 744s. Eventually, some 744s will be indistinguishable from the 743s on the interior. Perhaps your letter writing did get to them after all!
Routes
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Brisbane
Age: 77
Posts: 1,406
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
QANTAS launched its Perth Cityflyer service, featuring an international standard of inflight service for travel across the continent using new Airbus A330 aircraft.
You can sum that as representing an important shift in attitude towards WA travellers particularly those flying regularly on business.
And it is a major win for local Qantas representatives, particularly regional general manager WA Ian Gay, who has been driving home to Qantas nationally what it's like to be on the sharp end as a West Australian traveller.
It also is a clear result of a big company listening to its customers.
"It's the culmination of a few of us in Perth working to get a product flying to the east coast that is appropriate to the market," says Mr Gay. "So many people compare the flight to Sydney with a flight to Singapore.
"People over here literally do 30 or 40 flights east-west a year." Particularly for them, food, service, choice of movies are important.
Group general manager sales Rob Gurney, says: "The service on these flights is now like an international flight."
At the launch, he praised Mr Gay for his part in bringing the upgraded service. "Ian does champion the cause of WA very effectively."
He also announced that 50 cabin crew will now be based in Perth. "By having the crew based here they do get to know their regular customers," he says.
It is a further visible commitment to the Perth market.
Qantas executive general manager sales and marketing John Borghetti said the airline's brand new Airbus A330 aircraft, setting a high standard in domestic air travel, would be used.
"We've worked closely with Airbus to develop an enhanced cabin environment, with a level of comfort and space unparalleled," he said.
There will be seven services a day between Perth and Sydney, eight a day between Perth and Melbourne, and two a day between Perth and Brisbane.
(This also includes Perth to Brisbane, unless they are not all operated by A330s, but that is how it reads??)
You can sum that as representing an important shift in attitude towards WA travellers particularly those flying regularly on business.
And it is a major win for local Qantas representatives, particularly regional general manager WA Ian Gay, who has been driving home to Qantas nationally what it's like to be on the sharp end as a West Australian traveller.
It also is a clear result of a big company listening to its customers.
"It's the culmination of a few of us in Perth working to get a product flying to the east coast that is appropriate to the market," says Mr Gay. "So many people compare the flight to Sydney with a flight to Singapore.
"People over here literally do 30 or 40 flights east-west a year." Particularly for them, food, service, choice of movies are important.
Group general manager sales Rob Gurney, says: "The service on these flights is now like an international flight."
At the launch, he praised Mr Gay for his part in bringing the upgraded service. "Ian does champion the cause of WA very effectively."
He also announced that 50 cabin crew will now be based in Perth. "By having the crew based here they do get to know their regular customers," he says.
It is a further visible commitment to the Perth market.
Qantas executive general manager sales and marketing John Borghetti said the airline's brand new Airbus A330 aircraft, setting a high standard in domestic air travel, would be used.
"We've worked closely with Airbus to develop an enhanced cabin environment, with a level of comfort and space unparalleled," he said.
There will be seven services a day between Perth and Sydney, eight a day between Perth and Melbourne, and two a day between Perth and Brisbane.
(This also includes Perth to Brisbane, unless they are not all operated by A330s, but that is how it reads??)
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: 24 27 45.66N 54 22 42.28E
Posts: 987
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Watch out all Australian controllers if QF get the A330's, they are a nightmare. They descend 50NM earlier than all the other jets, so they get low and slow, and screw up the sequence royally (unless you putem number last as we do in the Middle East). You've been warned.
