AAE 727 Loses Main Wheel Ex ML?
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727 jobs
Aint it amazing ?!!! An outfit comes along providing desperately
needed jobs for pilots & others & what happens ?
They get sniped from every point on the compass !!!!!
Don't have to guess what the motives are, already know.
needed jobs for pilots & others & what happens ?
They get sniped from every point on the compass !!!!!
Don't have to guess what the motives are, already know.
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Where are ATSB/CASA hiding with regard to this "schmozzle" with this B727 flying across the continent for 4 hrs without a mainwheel and nobody any the wiser!
THE AUTHORITY HAS BEEN CONSPICUOUS IN IT'S SILENCE!
Is it because of the "new managements" cosy relationship with CASA?
THE AUTHORITY HAS BEEN CONSPICUOUS IN IT'S SILENCE!
Is it because of the "new managements" cosy relationship with CASA?
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I here from the inside that this outfit is far from a happy work environment.
Also more disturbing is that the only thing that has stopped "the glass experts" from drilling a hole somewhere is the competent former employees of the previous management.
Also more disturbing is that the only thing that has stopped "the glass experts" from drilling a hole somewhere is the competent former employees of the previous management.
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Have been a reader of PPRUNE for sometime - but never had the desire to raise words with some of the knowlegeable aviation pundits - nor cross swords with the feral contributors.
However here goes.
At a recent BBQ (numerous aviation types present) discussion revolved around the recent offerings on the B727 Mainwheel Loss.
The ensueing conversation proved interesting and I offer some of the comments.
In regard to Sniffer Dog's comments - very strong on implication. But not on substance. But perhaps a genuine enquiry.
The BBQ mob revealed that the organisation involved with this B727 were engaged in deep and serious conversations. And none of it could be construed as "cosy".
Serious issues were raised by CASA (sorry do not know the details) and in the end CASA were satisfied with the outcome.
Especially as the ATSB were indicating their concerns were not with teh maintenance organisation fitting the wheel that eventually fell off. But with the organsiation that provided the wheel.
In regard to CASA's silence - what thet say and to whom??
Perhaps nothing to Sniffer Dog. But it was said to the maintenance organsiation looking after the aircraft.
Similarly with the ATSB - there apparently was considerable dialogue with the maintenance organisation - with an eventual - but yet to be publicised conclusion that the cause of the loss of the mainwheel was directly related to a problem with the wheel bearing grease.
As with many ATSB investigations - not much if anything is said until the final report is completed. And that could be many months away.
FarQ2's comments are also interesting - and some elaboration of his short but telling statement would be appreciated.
The BBQ experts report some mixed views. But in the main the feeling is that the Company in question has grown sigbificantly in a very short period of time. The consequence is "growing pains".
New staff in - some old staff out. Different work practices for changing circumstances. Some people are happy (apparently most) - some are not.
A situation that faces any sort of organisation in any industry.
Not sure about FarQ2's last sentence ... "competent former employees of previous management".
I guess it was meant to say .. "competent employees of former/previous management".
Presumably the ones retained were done so because of their competence. And the newly introduced - would be hired to match or exceed that standard.
Again the BBQ experts (but note - after numerous beers) view the outcome to have more postives than negatives resulting from the new management.
"Cosy" arrangements with CASA do not appear to be the case.
Meetings between CASA and the organisation (before the main wheel loss and afterwards) have been hard hitting from both camps.
Both sides are endeavouring to establish a strong professional working relationship.
It would be refreshing to see it succeed.
Cannibal.
The newly introduced - presumambly
However here goes.
At a recent BBQ (numerous aviation types present) discussion revolved around the recent offerings on the B727 Mainwheel Loss.
The ensueing conversation proved interesting and I offer some of the comments.
In regard to Sniffer Dog's comments - very strong on implication. But not on substance. But perhaps a genuine enquiry.
The BBQ mob revealed that the organisation involved with this B727 were engaged in deep and serious conversations. And none of it could be construed as "cosy".
Serious issues were raised by CASA (sorry do not know the details) and in the end CASA were satisfied with the outcome.
Especially as the ATSB were indicating their concerns were not with teh maintenance organisation fitting the wheel that eventually fell off. But with the organsiation that provided the wheel.
In regard to CASA's silence - what thet say and to whom??
Perhaps nothing to Sniffer Dog. But it was said to the maintenance organsiation looking after the aircraft.
Similarly with the ATSB - there apparently was considerable dialogue with the maintenance organisation - with an eventual - but yet to be publicised conclusion that the cause of the loss of the mainwheel was directly related to a problem with the wheel bearing grease.
As with many ATSB investigations - not much if anything is said until the final report is completed. And that could be many months away.
FarQ2's comments are also interesting - and some elaboration of his short but telling statement would be appreciated.
The BBQ experts report some mixed views. But in the main the feeling is that the Company in question has grown sigbificantly in a very short period of time. The consequence is "growing pains".
New staff in - some old staff out. Different work practices for changing circumstances. Some people are happy (apparently most) - some are not.
A situation that faces any sort of organisation in any industry.
Not sure about FarQ2's last sentence ... "competent former employees of previous management".
I guess it was meant to say .. "competent employees of former/previous management".
Presumably the ones retained were done so because of their competence. And the newly introduced - would be hired to match or exceed that standard.
Again the BBQ experts (but note - after numerous beers) view the outcome to have more postives than negatives resulting from the new management.
"Cosy" arrangements with CASA do not appear to be the case.
Meetings between CASA and the organisation (before the main wheel loss and afterwards) have been hard hitting from both camps.
Both sides are endeavouring to establish a strong professional working relationship.
It would be refreshing to see it succeed.
Cannibal.
The newly introduced - presumambly
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cannibal,
I may be wrong here but I think you may find that the so called maintenance organisation and the operator are the same entity.
If that is the case I think it puts a slightly different slant on the defence espoused!!
Irrespective the operator is responsible for the maintenance of their aircraft and the buck stops there.
A problem with the grease causing the whell to fall off???? wow some grease. Grease that does that is called glue.
I may be wrong here but I think you may find that the so called maintenance organisation and the operator are the same entity.
If that is the case I think it puts a slightly different slant on the defence espoused!!
Irrespective the operator is responsible for the maintenance of their aircraft and the buck stops there.
A problem with the grease causing the whell to fall off???? wow some grease. Grease that does that is called glue.
