AAE 727 Loses Main Wheel Ex ML?
 

Just heard a story about a night freight 727 Ex Melbourne last night that lost a main wheel on rotate. Apparently the rogue tyre ran through 3 rows of cyclone fencing and a couple of paddocks before stopping. The crew continued on to Perth and the first any one new of the event was when the ground handlers on arrival said to the Captain....."Hey Mate! We think you might be missing something."

Has anyone else heard about this or have any other details:eek: :eek:

What the!......

You just can't get good pit crew anymore.:D

I'm not surprised the wheel went that far considering it would have been going close to 300kmh when it came off, the energy equation would have been impressive.:eek:

Air Cargo Asian Express
 

Are they getting 737 freighters? Heard two F/Os off to the Staes next week to do conversion on the 737-300.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

You just have to put that split pin in after greasing the wheel bearings :D :D

Which wheel ??(1 or 3)Must have been a good crew to land it with-out probs,that is blowing the other.:D :D

It would appear that:

The aircraft concerned is newly imported and has undergone major maintenance, including significant undercarriage component replacements, prior to the issue of a C of A.

The aircraft is being operated without a valid MEL.

The left inner main wheel detached during taxi, and fault indications were present on the anti-skid system. The fault indications would have persisted through the flight.

The aircraft was at or near MTOW on departure.

The left seater was one of the new hire 'professionals' brought in to 'raise the standards'.


In the light of the above:

The crew would appear to have used up all their allocation of luck for this decade, and should probably avoid crossing busy roads.

Serious problems would appear to exist in the maintenance area. The newly hired chief engineer must be tearing his hair out at the shambles he has inherited.

There appear to be problems in the operational culture with respect to use of a pseudo MEL for despatch in aircraft which do not have a valid MEL, and use of unofficial 'snag lists'. 'GA mentality' is the pejorative usually thrown about in this context, and is usually not present in this type of equipment. One wonders about practices at the Captain's previous employer.

There would appear to be immense pressure on the crews at this time, with threats to employment over minor issues.

CASA and ATSB follow-up on this incident may bring a lot of skeletons out of the closet with interesting consequences.

Rumour also has cash shortages and late pays featured.



In short, the aircraft are not the only parts of this organisation that the wheels appear to be falling off.

There is a difference in being an successful operator of aircraft and a leasing company.
Thank God no one was hurt.
No doubt CASA will sort this out.

Starting to sound like Bank Run mentallity has entered the heavey jet arena.

Only there will be a MUCH bigger hole the first time one goes in!!!

Chop my friend, I'm impressed with your confidence in CASA!

CASA won't sort this out, one of their own has taken the chief pilots position!! At least one FOI has been running round sprouting his mouth off as to how good this is going to be and watch how it's done. Well I've watched and can honestly say I'm impressed. I never knew that this is in fact how it is done and is what CASA wanted.

The comments (not rumours) flying out of this organisation by it's own staff is amazing.

This organisation has undergone a complete change of ownership, a complete change of management, a complete change of financial position all while trying to accomodate substantial growth.

Substantial change of these these types by CASA's own guidelines should have required the AOC to reprocessed.

I'll bet nothing comes of it because to do something about it would affect s QANTAS entity AAE that put all their eggs in one basket and now have nowhere to go. A bit of political pressure and CASA will just role over.

I understand that the 727 sim has actively been put up for sale overseas. It would seem that the other shareholders want out. Wonder what they know!!

Wizofoz?

I think one of the previous posters was suggesting that the driver was one of your ex-colleagues.

:D :D :D :D


Snooze

Snooze,

One of my ex colleagues who, as a recently unemployed pilot, was just as susceptable to overt pressure by management to cut corners if his job was on the line as anyone else.

Professtional pilots can only act professtionally in a professtionally run company. Otherwise they have the choice of leaving, or crossing fingers and hoping for the best.

With the bills mounting and no where else to go, it can be an impossible choice, just like the poor sods in the over-loaded aerostars doing bank-runs.

Bank run mentality
 

Hey Wiz, lighten up!

It wasn't me casting aspersions on his 'mentality'. ;)



Interesting concept though.
If we're 'recently unemployed', 'with the bills mounting', and have 'nowhere else to go', a situation that many or most of us have been in one time or another, it's acceptable to lower our standards?

'crossing fingers and hoping for the best' has never been a viable long-term SOP in our trade.


Snooze :eek:

You are right Capt Snooze not viable but certainly popular. :(

d_concord,

While I agree with most of what you say, I spoke to one of the other shareholders of the sim and he said that they are exploring all options available to the company, one of which is to sell the sim, however he did think this was the most likely outcome.

He did say that it had nothing to do with any knowledge of ACA and was more about all the shareholders having different needs and imperatives and as such, the sim did not feature high for at least two of them. Unfortunately that may impact negatively on the one that still needs the sim

latest goss on this outfit is.........new EBA negotiations not good remuneration wise for back of clock flying and rostering is bad.....one week at a time.
Two F/Os going with A320 Captain slots in the middle east, twoo F/Os to Virgin and one (F/O or Capt?) got a 744 slot with Qaintass!.....no problems getting more crews ...but not a real happy place to work at present.

This mob have just got a new Ops guy ex Southern, should be an improvement in the rostering area with any luck, apparently going to Geneva or the like.

Believe all is not well within this outfit, apparently moral is pretty low because of the "new" management attitude to the guys who were already employed there. The new CP is not on everyones dinner party list nor is the "flotsom" he dragged in with him.

There is also a very strong rumour that this "new" management is on very shakey ground with CASA over a number of issues, actually "up to their armpits in alligators" was the term used, and it is said that they can't find the swamp. Added to all there woes apparently a very disgruntled well qualified 727 pilot has taken them to court over their policy of hiring unrated pilots for advertised 727 positions.

With all this going on one wonders if with former Ansett staff now running the show whether AAE will go the same way, fairly rocky start to an expansion I'd say!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Sorta puts a lie to that old saying that "a rolling wheel gathers no moss" eh. :D

This wouldn't be the same chief pilot that stuck his head around the door of a classroom with some new hires, didn't introduce himself and said something like "any of you bastards mention the word scab and your fired" and stormed off

Would suggest that he might just have a guilty concience. He probably also wonders why this hatchet has never been buried. Although if he continues to act like that I can probably guess where it may be buried.

AHHH............ HRM and CRM at its best!!!! Yet this is CASA's great white hope.. Says a lot also.