SQ domestic confirmed??????
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Dear Ramboflyer,
Do you really work for Qantas? Please tell us how you got through the QF psych tests without setting off the alarm bells. A search and read through your contributions to PPRUNE leads to the conclusion that you are a total fraud.
Nervous about being on the tail end of the QF seniority list! Get real!!
Am I the only one that thinks this guy is bogus?!
Do you really work for Qantas? Please tell us how you got through the QF psych tests without setting off the alarm bells. A search and read through your contributions to PPRUNE leads to the conclusion that you are a total fraud.
Nervous about being on the tail end of the QF seniority list! Get real!!
Am I the only one that thinks this guy is bogus?!
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The third Airline will be VB International, not as silly as it sounds.
Starting with Asia first (mid next year) and then expanding!
Could be very interesting!
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Show me the money!
Well....If VirginBlue are to become the next major carrier here in Australia who is going to put up the money? Certainly not Virgin Blue in their present format.
Who do we know that has the ability to set up a 24 aircraft airline in a short space of time using existing facilities and infrastructure backed up by their own existing infrastructure?
Knowing something of the SE Asian culture I would be surprised to see them run with the Ansett name,
1. Because their superstitious nature would tell them not to become associated with failure, and
2. To fly around with the Ansett name on your aircraft would be to invite a writ being nailed to the mast anytime an aircraft touched down somewhere where any money was owed. The name would have to be changed to, for example. 'Ansett 2003 Pty'.
If it is SQ that are to be the founders of the next airline then a lot of the stumbling blocks mentioned have already been overcome, things like catering contracts, fuel contracts, ground handling, engineering and (possibly) AOC etc. and their financial power alone will probably ensure reasonable terminal access.
Who do we know that has the ability to set up a 24 aircraft airline in a short space of time using existing facilities and infrastructure backed up by their own existing infrastructure?
Knowing something of the SE Asian culture I would be surprised to see them run with the Ansett name,
1. Because their superstitious nature would tell them not to become associated with failure, and
2. To fly around with the Ansett name on your aircraft would be to invite a writ being nailed to the mast anytime an aircraft touched down somewhere where any money was owed. The name would have to be changed to, for example. 'Ansett 2003 Pty'.
If it is SQ that are to be the founders of the next airline then a lot of the stumbling blocks mentioned have already been overcome, things like catering contracts, fuel contracts, ground handling, engineering and (possibly) AOC etc. and their financial power alone will probably ensure reasonable terminal access.
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Dicky Branson made one very very large error - He tore up the SQ cheque very publicly.
That is something you just do NOT do to Asian businessmen as it it is percieved that they have lost face.
Stand back sportsfans - SQ is on the way and he first target will be DJ - and then when honour has been restored the job of redirecting the market away from the rat wll commence.
We are in for some very interesting times.
That is something you just do NOT do to Asian businessmen as it it is percieved that they have lost face.
Stand back sportsfans - SQ is on the way and he first target will be DJ - and then when honour has been restored the job of redirecting the market away from the rat wll commence.
We are in for some very interesting times.
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Yes stormy - you are correct - but just who do you think was bankrolling that little operaion??
This whole disaster has been orchestrated by the Lion and they are far from finished.
Best all
EWL
This whole disaster has been orchestrated by the Lion and they are far from finished.
Best all
EWL
short flights long nights
EWL, as usual, I think you speak with great insight. I think interesting times may lay ahead. Any tips on a start date?
If SQ really start, and want to get serious, things may get awful interesting in Kansas
If SQ really start, and want to get serious, things may get awful interesting in Kansas
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Blue Eagle.
Perhaps, if they did run with the AN name, it would be Ansett Airlines of Australia. No legal or financial legacy, a name synonymous with our reputable aviation history, no full stops, no golden ashtrays, no 89 baggage (both ways).
A name linked to the good times in Oz aviation. Push it hard in the media & hey presto, you're up & running!
I don't think it's for me though. I'll keep the memories of an airline I was proud to work for and move on...
Perhaps, if they did run with the AN name, it would be Ansett Airlines of Australia. No legal or financial legacy, a name synonymous with our reputable aviation history, no full stops, no golden ashtrays, no 89 baggage (both ways).
A name linked to the good times in Oz aviation. Push it hard in the media & hey presto, you're up & running!
I don't think it's for me though. I'll keep the memories of an airline I was proud to work for and move on...
Nunc est bibendum
jetblues, wouldn't any international VB be the FOURTH 'major' airline in Australia currently?
QF, VB, Australian and........= FOUR!
In that case, it seems very silly trying to be the third!!
QF, VB, Australian and........= FOUR!
In that case, it seems very silly trying to be the third!!
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Guys - all I hear on this thread are if's, buts, maybe's and the standard "my butchers brothers wife who has a brother in England" etc etc etc.
I listed some hard requirements on page 1 which would have to be met in order to achieve a start up date.
SQ has had more than ample opportunity to start and now that there is available space at the old AN terminal which isnt going to get cheaper and which may go away then why haven't they started?
As time goes by regaining market share from QF/VB will be more difficult and they have not any confirmed contracts with companies, govt, large business enterprises etc etc.
The clock is ticking, we hear rumours and if you believe the ex AN airbus drivers a start up is imminent but in my opinion until those conditions I listed on P1 are achieved then its all just hot air and wishful thinking on their behalf.
I figured the ex AN guys would have learnt as they trusted SQ to be their Knight in shining armour some 18 months ago and it just didnt happen
Also Dr Cheung (who has little face left) will have to endure what could possibly be a sustained period of heavy losses just to fill in a gap in the start alliance.
Is it worth it?
He has come under very heavy fire in the Singapore Press of late and the pressure to suceed will have to be enormous.
Also SQ are in the throws of negotiating a deal to purchase part of South African Airlines which has the stamp of approval by everyone concerned.
That'll be where the A320's etc will end up.
If they are going to do it why not get going now to achieve sales over easter (the busiest period in the year) but in my opinion a tie-up with someone is in the making and more realistic.
The rest is a smoke screen at this stage and failure in any shape or form is not an option for Dr Cheung.
I listed some hard requirements on page 1 which would have to be met in order to achieve a start up date.
SQ has had more than ample opportunity to start and now that there is available space at the old AN terminal which isnt going to get cheaper and which may go away then why haven't they started?
As time goes by regaining market share from QF/VB will be more difficult and they have not any confirmed contracts with companies, govt, large business enterprises etc etc.
The clock is ticking, we hear rumours and if you believe the ex AN airbus drivers a start up is imminent but in my opinion until those conditions I listed on P1 are achieved then its all just hot air and wishful thinking on their behalf.
I figured the ex AN guys would have learnt as they trusted SQ to be their Knight in shining armour some 18 months ago and it just didnt happen
Also Dr Cheung (who has little face left) will have to endure what could possibly be a sustained period of heavy losses just to fill in a gap in the start alliance.
Is it worth it?
He has come under very heavy fire in the Singapore Press of late and the pressure to suceed will have to be enormous.
Also SQ are in the throws of negotiating a deal to purchase part of South African Airlines which has the stamp of approval by everyone concerned.
That'll be where the A320's etc will end up.
If they are going to do it why not get going now to achieve sales over easter (the busiest period in the year) but in my opinion a tie-up with someone is in the making and more realistic.
The rest is a smoke screen at this stage and failure in any shape or form is not an option for Dr Cheung.
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I don't really think they'll start either, but if they did they would already have a $200 million per year contract.....Star Alliance on-carriage. That goes a long way to complying with one of your points. Not to mention dis-gruntled QF passengers.
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So much talk about yellow lines on aprons in SYD but what about the rest of Oz.
VB are in all the ex AN terminals around the country and if a new entrant was to arrive they would be in the old VB areas(ex SYD).
SQ operating out of tents and tin sheds?
VB are in all the ex AN terminals around the country and if a new entrant was to arrive they would be in the old VB areas(ex SYD).
SQ operating out of tents and tin sheds?
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Let's face it, it will effect VB but nowhere near as much as it will affect Qantas. I'm still yet to be convinced that SQ will even start up. I find myself agreeing with most of what TIMMEE says. (as unbelievable as that may seem)
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So we really ought to encourage them to come and mess with our aviation marketplace.
Singapore goes to polls on Nov 3
Government run Straits Times
Friday, October 19, 2001
Bertha Henson
Associate News Editor
NOV 3 is Polling Day, nine days after Nomination Day on Oct 25.
The announcement comes just a day after the new electoral map was made public, making the 2001 election the snappiest of all snap polls Singapore has held.
The President, on the advice of the Prime Minister, dissolved Parliament yesterday and issued the election writ.
A flurry of other announcements followed: There will be 10 nomination centres, the election deposit is S$13,000 [A$14,107] for each candidate, and Home Affairs ministry deputy secretary Tan Boon Huat was named the Returning Officer.
For the first time, aspiring MPs must obtain a Political Donation Certificate ststing that they had not received any foreign funding.
Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong told reporters yesterday that he planned to call the GE early next year, but changed his mind after the September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States.
He wanted it out of the way quickly so that the country can focus on bigger issues, especially on creating jobs during the deepening recession.
He was also concerned about Singapore’s security. “The risk at the moment is very small for Singapore, but we never know.”
PM Goh, the People’s Action Party chief, is in Shanghai for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit. He will return Monday.
Yesterday, his party introduced its first four new candidates out of a slate of about 27. PAP’s first assistant secretary general Lee Hsien Loong described the batch as “at least equal, probably better than” the 1997 one.
The four are: Neurosurgeon Balaji Sadasivan, 46; Madam Halimah Yacob, 47, Assistant Secretary-General of the NTUC; Madam Ho Geok Choo, 45, Vice-President of Human Resources in SIA Engineering Company; and Mr Raymond Lim, 42, Managing Director of Temasek Holdings.
Like PM Goh, the Deputy Prime Minister also noted the sober circumstances in which the elections were being held.
Their remarks appear to confirm talk that the PAP would pitch itself to the two million voters as the party best able to lead the country in these uncertain times. It will unveil its manifesto today.
A Nov 3 General Election comes as no surprise to political observers, who had noted the heightened activity at the PAP grassroots and the “window” in the Government’s calendar of activities.
Opposition politicians also sniffed an early poll, when they described the recently announced S$11.3-billion [A$12.6-billion] off-Budget package to help Singaporeans cope with the downturn and the New Singapore Shares as PAP “vote-buying” tactics.
Still, they appeared to have been caught off-guard and, to a man [sic], yesterday accused the PAP of bullying tactics.
Said National Solidarity Party’s Steve Chia, who will contest the Chua Chu Kang seat: “They are afraid of losing, and cannot afford to lose. That’s why they are using such underhand tactics by not giving the opposition any preparation time.”
The opposition now has seven days to settle its slate of candidates and where to field them – no mean feat given that the boundary changes were announced only on Wednesday.
The Singapore Democratic Alliance said last night that it will field eight candidates, in one five-member Group Representation Constituency and three single-seat wards.
As in past elections, it will be a hectic nine-day campaign period, the minimum provided for under the law.
Polling Day, a Saturday, is a public holiday.”
-Ends-
A Singapore watcher responds
I don’t know where to begin commenting on this piece - I think there’s a giggle in nearly every paragraph there, from the ludicrous timescales, gerrymandering, registrations, to the PM being out of the country and the one-sided journalism.
I'm sure you'd have more to say in comparing this to Australia’s electoral policies. As you probably know, Singapore’s political system is the most one-sided democracy in the entire world, but the people are happy with it that way.
It’s often been said the Singapore public are relative automatons, following the path the government has laid out for them, creativity and entrepreneurship stifled, but generally happy, safe, well-fed and economically strong. Marx eat your heart out.
Government run Straits Times
Friday, October 19, 2001
Bertha Henson
Associate News Editor
NOV 3 is Polling Day, nine days after Nomination Day on Oct 25.
The announcement comes just a day after the new electoral map was made public, making the 2001 election the snappiest of all snap polls Singapore has held.
The President, on the advice of the Prime Minister, dissolved Parliament yesterday and issued the election writ.
A flurry of other announcements followed: There will be 10 nomination centres, the election deposit is S$13,000 [A$14,107] for each candidate, and Home Affairs ministry deputy secretary Tan Boon Huat was named the Returning Officer.
For the first time, aspiring MPs must obtain a Political Donation Certificate ststing that they had not received any foreign funding.
Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong told reporters yesterday that he planned to call the GE early next year, but changed his mind after the September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States.
He wanted it out of the way quickly so that the country can focus on bigger issues, especially on creating jobs during the deepening recession.
He was also concerned about Singapore’s security. “The risk at the moment is very small for Singapore, but we never know.”
PM Goh, the People’s Action Party chief, is in Shanghai for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit. He will return Monday.
Yesterday, his party introduced its first four new candidates out of a slate of about 27. PAP’s first assistant secretary general Lee Hsien Loong described the batch as “at least equal, probably better than” the 1997 one.
The four are: Neurosurgeon Balaji Sadasivan, 46; Madam Halimah Yacob, 47, Assistant Secretary-General of the NTUC; Madam Ho Geok Choo, 45, Vice-President of Human Resources in SIA Engineering Company; and Mr Raymond Lim, 42, Managing Director of Temasek Holdings.
Like PM Goh, the Deputy Prime Minister also noted the sober circumstances in which the elections were being held.
Their remarks appear to confirm talk that the PAP would pitch itself to the two million voters as the party best able to lead the country in these uncertain times. It will unveil its manifesto today.
A Nov 3 General Election comes as no surprise to political observers, who had noted the heightened activity at the PAP grassroots and the “window” in the Government’s calendar of activities.
Opposition politicians also sniffed an early poll, when they described the recently announced S$11.3-billion [A$12.6-billion] off-Budget package to help Singaporeans cope with the downturn and the New Singapore Shares as PAP “vote-buying” tactics.
Still, they appeared to have been caught off-guard and, to a man [sic], yesterday accused the PAP of bullying tactics.
Said National Solidarity Party’s Steve Chia, who will contest the Chua Chu Kang seat: “They are afraid of losing, and cannot afford to lose. That’s why they are using such underhand tactics by not giving the opposition any preparation time.”
The opposition now has seven days to settle its slate of candidates and where to field them – no mean feat given that the boundary changes were announced only on Wednesday.
The Singapore Democratic Alliance said last night that it will field eight candidates, in one five-member Group Representation Constituency and three single-seat wards.
As in past elections, it will be a hectic nine-day campaign period, the minimum provided for under the law.
Polling Day, a Saturday, is a public holiday.”
-Ends-
A Singapore watcher responds
I don’t know where to begin commenting on this piece - I think there’s a giggle in nearly every paragraph there, from the ludicrous timescales, gerrymandering, registrations, to the PM being out of the country and the one-sided journalism.
I'm sure you'd have more to say in comparing this to Australia’s electoral policies. As you probably know, Singapore’s political system is the most one-sided democracy in the entire world, but the people are happy with it that way.
It’s often been said the Singapore public are relative automatons, following the path the government has laid out for them, creativity and entrepreneurship stifled, but generally happy, safe, well-fed and economically strong. Marx eat your heart out.
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You'll all find that when the news is released, SQ has signed an on carriage deal with Qantas apparently at better rates than what Qantas offers one world partners.
But one must remember this is a rumour network
But one must remember this is a rumour network
