Regional Jet Replacement
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Regional Jet Replacement
Rumour has it the jet replacement for the 146 will be put in the Pulse instead of NJS, the bean counters are at it again.
look out NJS
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look out NJS
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Don't bet on it!
More likely that some of the shorter 146 routes will be taken over by D8-400's. Who will operate them is a bigger question.
146 will stay for a while yet as some routes/ports are not suitable for the 717. But likely that 717 will take over longer routes that are suitable.
EMB170 is only jet contender at the moment. Who might get that is anyones guess. And that is at least 3 years away.
More likely that some of the shorter 146 routes will be taken over by D8-400's. Who will operate them is a bigger question.
146 will stay for a while yet as some routes/ports are not suitable for the 717. But likely that 717 will take over longer routes that are suitable.
EMB170 is only jet contender at the moment. Who might get that is anyones guess. And that is at least 3 years away.
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Hey Turd'
This topic has been pondered many times before and discussed here in this forum by many others but still there has been no commitment to any aircraft type for replacing the 146. Although there has been alleged meetings between NJS/QF and an aircraft manufacturer, even to the point of a proposed contender having painted up the proposed aircraft type and it being seen in a hangar in SYD recently... still we are none the wiser.
Ironically any talk on this topic has only ever been discussed around the same times that we hear of another incident with the 146 or it makes the news, needless to say it has been popular.
Its only a matter of time before the replacement is made public, I would say when and if this does ever happen, alot of people at NJS with fingers crossed to hear something possitive will be relieved!
My money's on the Emb.
This topic has been pondered many times before and discussed here in this forum by many others but still there has been no commitment to any aircraft type for replacing the 146. Although there has been alleged meetings between NJS/QF and an aircraft manufacturer, even to the point of a proposed contender having painted up the proposed aircraft type and it being seen in a hangar in SYD recently... still we are none the wiser.
Ironically any talk on this topic has only ever been discussed around the same times that we hear of another incident with the 146 or it makes the news, needless to say it has been popular.
Its only a matter of time before the replacement is made public, I would say when and if this does ever happen, alot of people at NJS with fingers crossed to hear something possitive will be relieved!
My money's on the Emb.
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Ahhh.... turd-nudger.. nice name, I like it.
However I think you should immediately proclaim your raving heterosexuality and stand up for your manhood as your inclinations are definitely a bit dubious.
As for the jets, as we all know, they are looking at retiring the -146s and replacing with Avro RJs on a 1 for 1 basis. That'll keep everyone happy.
As for lusim ding dong, you hit the nail with comments on the relationship between names and IQs, before you even said anything.......
However I think you should immediately proclaim your raving heterosexuality and stand up for your manhood as your inclinations are definitely a bit dubious.
As for the jets, as we all know, they are looking at retiring the -146s and replacing with Avro RJs on a 1 for 1 basis. That'll keep everyone happy.
As for lusim ding dong, you hit the nail with comments on the relationship between names and IQs, before you even said anything.......
My Money's on TRIADIC's assertion.
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SK111, that's obviously the Ford Tickford racing version you refer to, Bombardier themselves reckon it will do 350KTAS @ 95% power and I'll bet that's not at ISA+20 either.
Comparitively the the 146-300 has a " cruise " speed of 430KTAS.
Comparitively the the 146-300 has a " cruise " speed of 430KTAS.
BIK
Sorry mate you are well and truely wrong.
Only yesterday I was cruising M0.71 at F310 which is above 430 kts and of course the lower you fly down to about F240 the higher the TAS at M0.71.
MMO 0.72 and the 300 will do that happily at around 800TGT which is 57 degrees below max continuous.
Take off weight was 42,000 kg approx
M0.72 @ F310 is around 260 indicated up north. ISA + 20 say.
The 300 will happily make F310 not as quick as a real jet but no problems. Climbing 250-M0.62
Only yesterday I was cruising M0.71 at F310 which is above 430 kts and of course the lower you fly down to about F240 the higher the TAS at M0.71.
MMO 0.72 and the 300 will do that happily at around 800TGT which is 57 degrees below max continuous.
Take off weight was 42,000 kg approx
M0.72 @ F310 is around 260 indicated up north. ISA + 20 say.
The 300 will happily make F310 not as quick as a real jet but no problems. Climbing 250-M0.62
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D8-400Q
From the book....
FL220 ISA 28000kg
LRC 292kt
HSC 348 kt
Tho I have seen around 260kts at a lower weight, but higher temp.
Certainly a very flexible a/c and way in front of the 146 on shorter sectors and in the TMA.
Passengers care more about ticket price and reliability than if it has props or not.
FL220 ISA 28000kg
LRC 292kt
HSC 348 kt
Tho I have seen around 260kts at a lower weight, but higher temp.
Certainly a very flexible a/c and way in front of the 146 on shorter sectors and in the TMA.
Passengers care more about ticket price and reliability than if it has props or not.
Bottums Up
BIK
Are you referring to an ALF-502 powered 146-300? Because if you're referring to the LF507, as RENURPP says, you're wrong.
I use M0.72 @ 40+ tonne @ ISA +15/20, up to FL310, as required to regain schedule. The schedule integrity having of course been compromised due to late inbound pax, or the like
Are you referring to an ALF-502 powered 146-300? Because if you're referring to the LF507, as RENURPP says, you're wrong.
I use M0.72 @ 40+ tonne @ ISA +15/20, up to FL310, as required to regain schedule. The schedule integrity having of course been compromised due to late inbound pax, or the like
Bloody Hell Mate......!
I was just looking to see what flash new bit of kit I might get to pole come next hiring time.
Besides, I heard that argument about pax dissatisfaction with props from many angles, what I don't understand is if a company's bottom line would (otherwise) be better off with a new fleet of Q400's for example, why doesn't the marketing department get in on the act.
Look at the attention Virgin Blue attracted by throwing in to their radio advertising not too long back a handfull of words about the "brand new Boeing 737-700 series" along with their latest airfares.
WE all know that there is nothing wrong with a prop-jet, obviously there are routes which are simply not well suited to a jet. Maybe I am being naive but I do believe (for a nominal fee) the travelling public can be educated.
I would be more than happy flying the Q400, if that does turn out to be a possibility. I saw the demonstrator at Avalon in 2000 and I was more than impressed, the Bombardier Quick Time promo disc had me reaching for my wallet, only to find myself; Alas!...one big fat cheque short.
Then again a jet is a jet.
Besides, I heard that argument about pax dissatisfaction with props from many angles, what I don't understand is if a company's bottom line would (otherwise) be better off with a new fleet of Q400's for example, why doesn't the marketing department get in on the act.
Look at the attention Virgin Blue attracted by throwing in to their radio advertising not too long back a handfull of words about the "brand new Boeing 737-700 series" along with their latest airfares.
WE all know that there is nothing wrong with a prop-jet, obviously there are routes which are simply not well suited to a jet. Maybe I am being naive but I do believe (for a nominal fee) the travelling public can be educated.
I would be more than happy flying the Q400, if that does turn out to be a possibility. I saw the demonstrator at Avalon in 2000 and I was more than impressed, the Bombardier Quick Time promo disc had me reaching for my wallet, only to find myself; Alas!...one big fat cheque short.
Then again a jet is a jet.
There is nothing quite as useless as a meaningless maxim
Bindook,
Could you please advise what is wrong with loading for an aft C of G, given that it makes the mighty Swinebat (and any other aircraft, for that matter) go better? Did you mob not do that on the deathstars in **absett on a regular basis?
BTW, BAe made 10 146-300/507s: NJ got them because they are a great machine in the center. Which brings me to another point: how's the 2nd segment performance of the super-boat at ASP at 42deg trying to get to Perth when "all ahead on the left only" occurs??!!
And to add to the marketing issue, I tell you what I'd rather be in when it's 45deg below Transition, at 250 indicated, and it's not a straight-winged superglider like a Q400! We'd ALL need sports bras on to keep our boobs from bouncing off our chests!!
Propellers are for boats!
Bring on the big bandit!
Could you please advise what is wrong with loading for an aft C of G, given that it makes the mighty Swinebat (and any other aircraft, for that matter) go better? Did you mob not do that on the deathstars in **absett on a regular basis?
BTW, BAe made 10 146-300/507s: NJ got them because they are a great machine in the center. Which brings me to another point: how's the 2nd segment performance of the super-boat at ASP at 42deg trying to get to Perth when "all ahead on the left only" occurs??!!
And to add to the marketing issue, I tell you what I'd rather be in when it's 45deg below Transition, at 250 indicated, and it's not a straight-winged superglider like a Q400! We'd ALL need sports bras on to keep our boobs from bouncing off our chests!!
Propellers are for boats!
Bring on the big bandit!
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Dash 8's do a 2 times profile very nicely which keeps everyone out of the turbulence until the last five minutes(below 10,000ft.) and speed is coming back then anyway for the straight in approach.
Secondly, even a Dash 8-100 will beat any jet to the runway in the last 30nm. Trouble is only the Dash 8 drivers know it and the controllers keep wondering why they have to give the Dash "boats" so many slowing vectors to fall in behind the jet "floaters"!!! Heard one day a Dash driver calling the ground controller after landing and vacating to say "... and we still have the slower preceding jet traffic in sight."
Dash 8's do a 2 times profile very nicely which keeps everyone out of the turbulence until the last five minutes(below 10,000ft.) and speed is coming back then anyway for the straight in approach.
Secondly, even a Dash 8-100 will beat any jet to the runway in the last 30nm. Trouble is only the Dash 8 drivers know it and the controllers keep wondering why they have to give the Dash "boats" so many slowing vectors to fall in behind the jet "floaters"!!! Heard one day a Dash driver calling the ground controller after landing and vacating to say "... and we still have the slower preceding jet traffic in sight."
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B55,
Have to agree with you on the ATC remark. Most are good but there are places in this great country of ours that are so bad it makes you want to never return. I was in Townsville a while back and was appalled at the sequencing. They seriously have no idea. And I'm told if they have more than 3 aircraft in their airspace you can expect major speed reductions from 100 miles+ just so it doesn't happen too quick for them. It's flat out attrocious. Would they be RAAF controllers or Civies?
Onya
Have to agree with you on the ATC remark. Most are good but there are places in this great country of ours that are so bad it makes you want to never return. I was in Townsville a while back and was appalled at the sequencing. They seriously have no idea. And I'm told if they have more than 3 aircraft in their airspace you can expect major speed reductions from 100 miles+ just so it doesn't happen too quick for them. It's flat out attrocious. Would they be RAAF controllers or Civies?
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Sure the jets are nice at FL400 and above, but show me one that will hold 270 indicated 'til the outer marker and still land on the airfield let alone the TDZ! And in the defence of the Dash, show me a jet that will haul 36 out of Lord Howe!!! 