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What I find contradictory, is that many years ago (before external power use), some pilots used the excuse "why should we care about fuel efficiency if they leave the APU running all night". Ok I understand your point of view.
Yet now when they are using ground power to avoid the APU running all night, some pilots still don't care. They long forgot their original excuse about blaming the company for running the APU all night and still don't try to operate efficiently as a professional even when the company is making an effort.
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Exactly.
What I find contradictory, is that many years ago (before external power use), some pilots used the excuse "why should we care about fuel efficiency if they leave the APU running all night". Ok I understand your point of view.
Yet now when they are using ground power to avoid the APU running all night, some pilots still don't care. They long forgot their original excuse about blaming the company for running the APU all night and still don't try to operate efficiently as a professional even when the company is making an effort.
What I find contradictory, is that many years ago (before external power use), some pilots used the excuse "why should we care about fuel efficiency if they leave the APU running all night". Ok I understand your point of view.
Yet now when they are using ground power to avoid the APU running all night, some pilots still don't care. They long forgot their original excuse about blaming the company for running the APU all night and still don't try to operate efficiently as a professional even when the company is making an effort.
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I couldn't give a ****.
Take a look at CX and VA and take note off all the ex CX pilots happy to throw away 10 years of seniority or more to come back to return to Australia to work for a LCC at the bottom of the seniority list. Says a lot I think.
Take a look at Network and the battles they are facing.
No, I am not management either.
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The number one problem at Jetstar is the rostering. From that problem all other problems flow like the sick leave and disengagement issues. To change the system so that there is some form of control that the pilots can have over their lives seems to be be beyond the ability or authority of Flight Ops management. I suspect that the CP has told the EM level what the issue is but in their eyes he is just another pilot and he needs to get on board the HR wrecking ball or get out of the way like the previous CP did. all the Cathay pilots will be singing the same tune after 12 months (or shorter) on the line when they find that the work-life balance they thought they were signing up for simply isn't there.
I remember my mother saying "Think of all the starving children!." when I was expected to eat broad beans on the dinner plate in front of me. Thinking of others at that point in time did not change the fact that there were still broad beans in front of me that I had to eat.
I remember my mother saying "Think of all the starving children!." when I was expected to eat broad beans on the dinner plate in front of me. Thinking of others at that point in time did not change the fact that there were still broad beans in front of me that I had to eat.
Some people need a reality check.
Take a look at CX and VA and take note off all the ex CX pilots happy to throw away 10 years of seniority or more to come back to return to Australia to work for a LCC at the bottom of the seniority list. Says a lot I think.
Take a look at Network and the battles they are facing.
No, I am not management either.
Take a look at CX and VA and take note off all the ex CX pilots happy to throw away 10 years of seniority or more to come back to return to Australia to work for a LCC at the bottom of the seniority list. Says a lot I think.
Take a look at Network and the battles they are facing.
No, I am not management either.
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Rubbish?
At least half the pilots resigned.
They didn't all leave just to come home. I know at least one personally working elsewhere overseas.
Be happy that you have a job in Australia even if the contract might not be the best, as this is more important to some people, is what I was trying to say. This was always a trade off or compensation for being away from home. Look at the "whole package" including where you live.
If you don't give a ****, imagine if you were living in some 3rd world corrupt ****hole or a country that is racist and makes you feel 2nd class? Yet you are still not happy in Australia.
Take a reality check.
Rubbish?
At least half the pilots resigned.
They didn't all leave just to come home. I know at least one personally working elsewhere overseas.
Don’t confuse that with pilots overseas being attracted home by great contracts
If you don't give a ****, imagine if you were living in some 3rd world corrupt ****hole or a country that is racist and makes you feel 2nd class? Yet you are still not happy in Australia.
Take a reality check.
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Be happy that you have a job in Australia even if the contract might not be the best, as this is more important to some people, is what I was trying to say. This was always a trade off or compensation for being away from home. Look at the "whole package" including where you live.
If you don't give a ****, imagine if you were living in some 3rd world corrupt ****hole or a country that is racist and makes you feel 2nd class? Yet you are still not happy in Australia.
Take a reality check.
If you don't give a ****, imagine if you were living in some 3rd world corrupt ****hole or a country that is racist and makes you feel 2nd class? Yet you are still not happy in Australia.
Take a reality check.
When you say “3rd world corrupt ****hole of a country that is racist”, could you narrow it down a bit because there’s quite a bit of competition? Australia has 3rd world infrastructure, a smidge of corruption and might be a teeny weeny bit racist some would argue. Throw us a bone. Maybe we should just accept that and go for a decent pay rise instead eh?
Any management mug (or pilot sympathiser) that tosses out the adage “Well if you don’t like it, leave” will cop the retort “Why should I leave because you can’t do YOUR job?”
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Rubbish?
At least half the pilots resigned.
They didn't all leave just to come home. I know at least one personally working elsewhere overseas.
Be happy that you have a job in Australia even if the contract might not be the best, as this is more important to some people, is what I was trying to say. This was always a trade off or compensation for being away from home. Look at the "whole package" including where you live.
If you don't give a ****, imagine if you were living in some 3rd world corrupt ****hole or a country that is racist and makes you feel 2nd class? Yet you are still not happy in Australia.
Take a reality check.
Rubbish?
At least half the pilots resigned.
They didn't all leave just to come home. I know at least one personally working elsewhere overseas.
Be happy that you have a job in Australia even if the contract might not be the best, as this is more important to some people, is what I was trying to say. This was always a trade off or compensation for being away from home. Look at the "whole package" including where you live.
If you don't give a ****, imagine if you were living in some 3rd world corrupt ****hole or a country that is racist and makes you feel 2nd class? Yet you are still not happy in Australia.
Take a reality check.
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Back to the original question…..the thing I found most interesting about this thread is that some people thought it was best to pour ****e on the OP.
There are many reasons people fly well below optimum. the I don’t know the OP’s role/type or experience but they may not have come across this before.
There are many reasons people fly well below optimum. the I don’t know the OP’s role/type or experience but they may not have come across this before.
Some people need a reality check.
Take a look at CX and VA and take note off all the ex CX pilots happy to throw away 10 years of seniority or more to come back to return to Australia to work for a LCC at the bottom of the seniority list. Says a lot I think.
Take a look at Network and the battles they are facing.
No, I am not management either.
Take a look at CX and VA and take note off all the ex CX pilots happy to throw away 10 years of seniority or more to come back to return to Australia to work for a LCC at the bottom of the seniority list. Says a lot I think.
Take a look at Network and the battles they are facing.
No, I am not management either.
Australia has 3rd world infrastructure, a smidge of corruption and might be a teeny weeny bit racist some would argue.
I couldn't give a ****
Take a reality check.
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Back to the original question…..the thing I found most interesting about this thread is that some people thought it was best to pour ****e on the OP.
There are many reasons people fly well below optimum. the I don’t know the OP’s role/type or experience but they may not have come across this before.
There are many reasons people fly well below optimum. the I don’t know the OP’s role/type or experience but they may not have come across this before.
I have never flown an Airbus, never will, and I don't fly much at all these days except for fun, but I've probably flown higher and faster than most here. With a handle like yours you might understand.
Just thought it odd that one aircraft was flying lower on multiple sectors that day than other aircraft of the same type with the same paint job. Interesting theory that old mate is concerned about flying near the edge of the graph, and I get that. But 280 is way below the Armstrong line, and as was pointed out, not quite as fuel efficient. The accountants must have missed that flight.
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Water off a duck's back.
I have never flown an Airbus, never will, and I don't fly much at all these days except for fun, but I've probably flown higher and faster than most here. With a handle like yours you might understand.
Just thought it odd that one aircraft was flying lower on multiple sectors that day than other aircraft of the same type with the same paint job. Interesting theory that old mate is concerned about flying near the edge of the graph, and I get that. But 280 is way below the Armstrong line, and as was pointed out, not quite as fuel efficient. The accountants must have missed that flight.
I have never flown an Airbus, never will, and I don't fly much at all these days except for fun, but I've probably flown higher and faster than most here. With a handle like yours you might understand.
Just thought it odd that one aircraft was flying lower on multiple sectors that day than other aircraft of the same type with the same paint job. Interesting theory that old mate is concerned about flying near the edge of the graph, and I get that. But 280 is way below the Armstrong line, and as was pointed out, not quite as fuel efficient. The accountants must have missed that flight.
