ATC vote to take Protected Industrial action against Airservices Australia.
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ATC vote to take Protected Industrial action against Airservices Australia.
Outcome is inevitable.
Always the same technique.
Offer nothing. Delay, delay, delay.
Then blame the few remaining workers on 'disruptions to the travelling public ', when that has been the $hitshow for the travelling public for the preceding years anyway.
Good luck to the dozen or so people who still actually "work" there
Always the same technique.
Offer nothing. Delay, delay, delay.
Then blame the few remaining workers on 'disruptions to the travelling public ', when that has been the $hitshow for the travelling public for the preceding years anyway.
Good luck to the dozen or so people who still actually "work" there
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Same old story really. There’s been a steady deterioration of pay and conditions for years and years.
The changes since my old sector 3 days are astonishing. Less controllers working more traffic. Sectors combined when historically they weren’t. Complexity through the roof. Work life balance non existent. Rosters re-written to mean more days at work. I could go on.
Unfortunately it seems to be the norm throughout the industry as a whole.
The changes since my old sector 3 days are astonishing. Less controllers working more traffic. Sectors combined when historically they weren’t. Complexity through the roof. Work life balance non existent. Rosters re-written to mean more days at work. I could go on.
Unfortunately it seems to be the norm throughout the industry as a whole.
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The changes since my old sector 3 days are astonishing. Less controllers working more traffic. Sectors combined when historically they weren’t. Complexity through the roof. Work life balance non existent. Rosters re-written to mean more days at work.
The primary purpose of lean management is to produce value for the customer by optimizing resources and creating a steady workflow based on real customer demands. It seeks to eliminate any waste of time, effort or money by identifying each step in a business process and then revising or cutting out steps that do not create value. The philosophy has its roots in manufacturing.
After the space shuttle Challenger exploded in 1986, Nobel Prize-winning physicist Richard P. Feynman asked NASA officials what risk of failure each mission carried. NASA engineers said about 1 in every 100 flights was likely to experience a catastrophe. NASA managers put the risk closer to 1 in 100,000.
The above quote about the Challenger explosion illustrates the clear difference between management trained employees, and operational employees when assessing risk. I’m not saying the divide is that great in Australian aviation, but in my experience there is definitely a divide that I have witnessed when discussing specific risks to flight safety. When your bum isn’t in the hot seat, and many other things are competing for your attention, it’s not likely you will reach a high level of understanding on the subject of risk, especially when the worst possible outcome for you is to have to do a 30 second hand-wringing ‘we’re deeply sorry’ interview on TV.
Good luck to the hard working ATCO’s.
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Hopefully this gets Airservices the scrutiny it so richly deserves. Hats off to the controllers for taking this stand- maximum respect.
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/busines...3e1ae33f3beAir traffic controllers are set to vote on what would be their first industrial action in more than 20 years after 14 meetings with Airservices failed to address their concerns.
With aviation firefighters also preparing to strike in coming weeks, the air traffic controllers’ union Civil Air said it would apply to the Fair Work Commission after Easter for a protected action ballot order.
Among the concerns of air traffic controllers are ongoing shortages of staff and resources at a time when they are expected to be delivering new initiatives and projects, including a digital control tower at the new Western Sydney Airport.
Civil Air executive secretary Peter McGuane said they were also frustrated that although the government’s public service framework allowed for a 15.4 per cent superannuation contribution from employers, Airservices was refusing to pay more than 11 per cent.
“They’re saying ‘if you want these conditions you’re going to have to trade off something else to fund it’,” Mr McGuane said.
“We don’t accept that position, and that’s why it’s our intention to explore the processes before Fair Work.”
Airservices Australia recently sought to increase fees to airlines by 19 per cent in nominal terms following a 2 per cent reduction in 2019. The proposed hike was being examined by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission.
In a note to members, Civil Air explained there had been 14 meetings with Airservices since November 2023 yet 20 of their 28 claims were still to be finalised.
“Most have nothing to do with remuneration but address ongoing work life balance and equity issues in the workplace,” the note said.
“It is clear that despite 14 meetings, Airservices is not interested in actually considering our claims as serious items proposed by our members, and still believe that they are ambit.”
Air traffic controllers in the main control room at Brisbane. Picture: Lyndon MechielsenAn application for a protected industrial action ballot would be made with Fair Work after Easter, laying the groundwork for the first strikes by air traffic controllers since 2002.
Before that, air traffic controllers last took industrial action in 1977.
Mr McGuane said they were disappointed such a course of action was required but felt they had been left with no choice.
“Airservices was clearly warned on multiple occasions about the white-hot anger and despair that exists among employees due to the torrid workplace environment, and the appetite to pursue further action if claims were not met,” he said.
“They chose to ignore these warnings.”
An Airservices spokeswoman said enterprise agreement negotiations were continuing, and they would seek to finalise a new deal without interruption to the travelling public.
She said Airservices was offering a “a $75m pay rise” to the 900-plus air traffic controllers, comprising 11.2 per cent over three years in line with the Australian Public Service Commission’s recent pay decision.
“Civil Air is seeking a 20 per cent increase over three years,” the spokeswoman said.
Despite a recent Senate Estimates hearing being told the absence of just two air traffic controllers in Sydney was enough to cause widespread flight delays, Airservices insisted staff shortages were being addressed.
Aviation firefighters are due to take industrial action from April 5, potentially disrupting school holiday operations at major airports.
They are also seeking a 20 per cent pay rise over three years, after rejecting Airservices’ offer of 11.2 per cent.
Originally published as Air traffic controllers threaten first strikes in more than 20 years over super, pay and staffing
With aviation firefighters also preparing to strike in coming weeks, the air traffic controllers’ union Civil Air said it would apply to the Fair Work Commission after Easter for a protected action ballot order.
Among the concerns of air traffic controllers are ongoing shortages of staff and resources at a time when they are expected to be delivering new initiatives and projects, including a digital control tower at the new Western Sydney Airport.
Civil Air executive secretary Peter McGuane said they were also frustrated that although the government’s public service framework allowed for a 15.4 per cent superannuation contribution from employers, Airservices was refusing to pay more than 11 per cent.
“They’re saying ‘if you want these conditions you’re going to have to trade off something else to fund it’,” Mr McGuane said.
“We don’t accept that position, and that’s why it’s our intention to explore the processes before Fair Work.”
Airservices Australia recently sought to increase fees to airlines by 19 per cent in nominal terms following a 2 per cent reduction in 2019. The proposed hike was being examined by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission.
In a note to members, Civil Air explained there had been 14 meetings with Airservices since November 2023 yet 20 of their 28 claims were still to be finalised.
“Most have nothing to do with remuneration but address ongoing work life balance and equity issues in the workplace,” the note said.
“It is clear that despite 14 meetings, Airservices is not interested in actually considering our claims as serious items proposed by our members, and still believe that they are ambit.”
Air traffic controllers in the main control room at Brisbane. Picture: Lyndon MechielsenAn application for a protected industrial action ballot would be made with Fair Work after Easter, laying the groundwork for the first strikes by air traffic controllers since 2002. Before that, air traffic controllers last took industrial action in 1977.
Mr McGuane said they were disappointed such a course of action was required but felt they had been left with no choice.
“Airservices was clearly warned on multiple occasions about the white-hot anger and despair that exists among employees due to the torrid workplace environment, and the appetite to pursue further action if claims were not met,” he said.
“They chose to ignore these warnings.”
An Airservices spokeswoman said enterprise agreement negotiations were continuing, and they would seek to finalise a new deal without interruption to the travelling public.
She said Airservices was offering a “a $75m pay rise” to the 900-plus air traffic controllers, comprising 11.2 per cent over three years in line with the Australian Public Service Commission’s recent pay decision.
“Civil Air is seeking a 20 per cent increase over three years,” the spokeswoman said.
Despite a recent Senate Estimates hearing being told the absence of just two air traffic controllers in Sydney was enough to cause widespread flight delays, Airservices insisted staff shortages were being addressed.
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More than 70 new air traffic controllers are due to be operational this year, with plans to recruit another 80 every year moving forward.Aviation firefighters are due to take industrial action from April 5, potentially disrupting school holiday operations at major airports.
They are also seeking a 20 per cent pay rise over three years, after rejecting Airservices’ offer of 11.2 per cent.
Originally published as Air traffic controllers threaten first strikes in more than 20 years over super, pay and staffing
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For comparisons sake, controllers in NZ got 5.9% in 2022, 7.2% in 2023 and next week we get another 5.7%
20% is absolutely realistic just to keep up with the cost of living the last few years.
Good luck all, hoping for a positive outcome
20% is absolutely realistic just to keep up with the cost of living the last few years.
Good luck all, hoping for a positive outcome
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The APSC has denied reasonable pay increases to other AU gov agencies as well. CSIRO for example are getting a paltry 11.2% over the next 3 years, this after having had 4 years of 0% during Tony Abbot's tenure as PM. This means CSIRO employees suffered an effective pay cut of 25% over the last decade.
Good luck to the AsA employees. Maybe they show more spine than the CSIRO quokkas.
Good luck to the AsA employees. Maybe they show more spine than the CSIRO quokkas.
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It would be interesting if the line controllers interpretation of ‘reasonable overtime’ as stipulated in the now expired agreement resulted in a dramatic reduction in the amount of overtime worked.
Interpretations can work both ways. So can pressure.
Interpretations can work both ways. So can pressure.
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CityRail in Sydney tried that on in 2004 and again a few years ago during EBA negotiations. They'd let driver numbers decline to the point the entire network was dependant on Driver's and Guards doing OT just to man a normal timetable, yet alone special event services. Come EBA time and CityRail trying to shaft their crew, they simply said "We've had enough OT for now, thanks" and the network ground to a halt.
There is no legal definition of "reasonable OT", and the courts have ruled your RDO's are your own, you cannot be forced to work an OT shift on an RDO. The ATCO's should simply spend their days off with their family and let us wear the delays. ASA will cave, and cave quickly!
There is no legal definition of "reasonable OT", and the courts have ruled your RDO's are your own, you cannot be forced to work an OT shift on an RDO. The ATCO's should simply spend their days off with their family and let us wear the delays. ASA will cave, and cave quickly!
It would only take a few east coast radar sectors and 2-3 TCU’s to decide they’d worked enough reasonable overtime for the house of cards to be exposed for what it is (if it’s not already).
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There is no doubt than simply withdrawing from OT for a week would see the whole system grind to a halt.
But equally, the management types still there have shown little regards for the facts, and a reluctance to admit any fault in the current day to day results of their prior decisions.
The solution in their minds is to simply issue NOTAMS reclassifying the levels if service provided - i e. none.
I truly believe that will continue to be their strategy in the case of PIA, right up to the point
But equally, the management types still there have shown little regards for the facts, and a reluctance to admit any fault in the current day to day results of their prior decisions.
The solution in their minds is to simply issue NOTAMS reclassifying the levels if service provided - i e. none.
I truly believe that will continue to be their strategy in the case of PIA, right up to the point
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There is no doubt than simply withdrawing from OT for a week would see the whole system grind to a halt.
But equally, the management types still there have shown little regards for the facts, and a reluctance to admit any fault in the current day to day results of their prior decisions.
The solution in their minds is to simply issue NOTAMS reclassifying the levels if service provided - i e. none.
I truly believe that will continue to be their strategy in the case of PIA, right up to the point where there is a ministerial intervention to 'fix this'. How much faith do you have in when and if the current minister does that?
But equally, the management types still there have shown little regards for the facts, and a reluctance to admit any fault in the current day to day results of their prior decisions.
The solution in their minds is to simply issue NOTAMS reclassifying the levels if service provided - i e. none.
I truly believe that will continue to be their strategy in the case of PIA, right up to the point where there is a ministerial intervention to 'fix this'. How much faith do you have in when and if the current minister does that?
EG. For comparison. I can fly an a320. My new employer uses B738M. No need for any ground school or conversion as we will train you on the job. Sounds safe as.... maybe the 80 ATC promised is not quite as it seems and corners are being cut. Pretty sure CASA are all over this.
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EG. For comparison. I can fly an a320. My new employer uses B738M. No need for any ground school or conversion as we will train you on the job. Sounds safe as.... maybe the 80 ATC promised is not quite as it seems and corners are being cut. Pretty sure CASA are all over this.
EG. For comparison. I can fly an a320. My new employer uses B738M. No need for any ground school or conversion as we will train you on the job. Sounds safe as.... maybe the 80 ATC promised is not quite as it seems and corners are being cut. Pretty sure CASA are all over this.
Of those ‘80 ATC promised’ let’s be realistic. 40 will make it to operational training. Maybe 30 will endorse. Half of those will be on the radar sectors / towers that are so desperate for staff. That 15 will not even cover retirements / resignations/natural attrition. The cycle of staffing issues will continue indefinitely.
Or…Airservices could start paying industry standard pay and 2024 conditions and attract the right people…I’ll see myself out.
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ATC vote to take Protected Industrial action against Airservices Australia.
Outcome is inevitable.
Always the same technique.
Offer nothing. Delay, delay, delay.
Then blame the few remaining workers on 'disruptions to the travelling public ', when that has been the $hitshow for the travelling public for the preceding years anyway.
Good luck to the dozen or so people who still actually "work" there
Outcome is inevitable.
Always the same technique.
Offer nothing. Delay, delay, delay.
Then blame the few remaining workers on 'disruptions to the travelling public ', when that has been the $hitshow for the travelling public for the preceding years anyway.
Good luck to the dozen or so people who still actually "work" there
The process is:
An application for a protected action ballot is the first step towards taking protected industrial action, with following steps including the actual ballot of members, a compulsory conference between the parties with a FWC Commissioner, and a notification period prior to any action taking place (assuming the ballot is successful).
We add an additional protocol, which is the traffic information broadcast by
aircraft. That means that the aircraft need to broadcast their position, no different to when they are flying into
class G or some regional ports. It means there is an extra layer of safety because instead of the air traffic
controller, the person, being the only person who knows what's going on, it's making sure that everyone
aircraft. That means that the aircraft need to broadcast their position, no different to when they are flying into
class G or some regional ports. It means there is an extra layer of safety because instead of the air traffic
controller, the person, being the only person who knows what's going on, it's making sure that everyone
“We add an additional protocol, which is the traffic information broadcast by
aircraft. That means that the aircraft need to broadcast their position, no different to when they are flying into
class G or some regional ports. It means there is an extra layer of safety because instead of the air traffic
controller, the person, being the only person who knows what's going on, it's making sure that everyone”
How on earth does anyone who makes a statement like that get to be a CEO of anything let alone something as important as a ASA.
As a country we are rapidly retreating into the very depths of the third world.
aircraft. That means that the aircraft need to broadcast their position, no different to when they are flying into
class G or some regional ports. It means there is an extra layer of safety because instead of the air traffic
controller, the person, being the only person who knows what's going on, it's making sure that everyone”
How on earth does anyone who makes a statement like that get to be a CEO of anything let alone something as important as a ASA.
As a country we are rapidly retreating into the very depths of the third world.
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“We add an additional protocol, which is the traffic information broadcast by
aircraft. That means that the aircraft need to broadcast their position, no different to when they are flying into
class G or some regional ports. It means there is an extra layer of safety because instead of the air traffic
controller, the person, being the only person who knows what's going on, it's making sure that everyone”
How on earth does anyone who makes a statement like that get to be a CEO of anything let alone something as important as a ASA.
As a country we are rapidly retreating into the very depths of the third world.
aircraft. That means that the aircraft need to broadcast their position, no different to when they are flying into
class G or some regional ports. It means there is an extra layer of safety because instead of the air traffic
controller, the person, being the only person who knows what's going on, it's making sure that everyone”
How on earth does anyone who makes a statement like that get to be a CEO of anything let alone something as important as a ASA.
As a country we are rapidly retreating into the very depths of the third world.
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