ATC contributed to 15% of flight delays in December
The obvious solution is to roster the overtime the same way as other shifts. The EBA stipulates that reasonable overtime should be completed, I don't see why controllers should not do 1-2 additional shifts every 2-3 weeks. This is normal in other companies and it only seems to be the controllers that have a problem with it. ASA has a robust fatigue management system and therefor the constant complaining about fatigue is absolute rubbish.
The airlines and customers should not have to face delays just because the controllers don't want to play their part in the system. We need a clean out and those who don't want to support the company should just go.
The airlines and customers should not have to face delays just because the controllers don't want to play their part in the system. We need a clean out and those who don't want to support the company should just go.
I've been in for near on 30 years. My days off are days off.
I note you've popped up right before CA negotiations. Interesting.
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Several things comes to mind, Overseas ANSPs are recruiting (hence the flow of ATCs is likely to be the other way). 457 visas are no longer available. International ATCs need to learn the "Australian way" as Australia is far from ICAO compliant and we have some orphaned equipment that no-one else uses. Most foreign recruited ATCs have returned back home at some point. And since this is a rumour network, to work with the new OneSky you need to be an Australian citizen.
I know of 3 ex-ASA ATCs who are International ATCs (in the real sense) who have applied to return and AsA have marked their applications - UNSUCCESSFUL.
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I know of 3 ex-ASA ATCs who are International ATCs (in the real sense) who have applied to return and AsA have marked their applications - UNSUCCESSFUL.
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We’re probably doing them a favour by absorbing some of the delay getting onto the gate because the handling agents haven’t got their act together.
Having flown to many airports both in and out of Australia it seems as if we do less with the same infrastructure - ie parallel runway ops in BNE / MELs crossing runways vs overseas equivalents. I was curious why.
Us “clowns” who use ATC as a service everyday are merely trying to understand the aviation system we use as best we can.
When compared to most of the western world our overall system SEEMS inefficient, causing the frustration you see posted in these forums.
No need to be childish - was a genuine question in regards to the INFRASTRUCTURE we have - not the people.
Having flown to many airports both in and out of Australia it seems as if we do less with the same infrastructure - ie parallel runway ops in BNE / MELs crossing runways vs overseas equivalents. I was curious why.
Us “clowns” who use ATC as a service everyday are merely trying to understand the aviation system we use as best we can.
When compared to most of the western world our overall system SEEMS inefficient, causing the frustration you see posted in these forums.
Having flown to many airports both in and out of Australia it seems as if we do less with the same infrastructure - ie parallel runway ops in BNE / MELs crossing runways vs overseas equivalents. I was curious why.
Us “clowns” who use ATC as a service everyday are merely trying to understand the aviation system we use as best we can.
When compared to most of the western world our overall system SEEMS inefficient, causing the frustration you see posted in these forums.
The solutions to improving efficiency are not mysterious. They do however require people and infrastructure, something the smartest guys in the rooms of Australia always seems unwilling to accept. My tip is expect more of the same, accept it and enjoy the beaches and the clean air.
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Does this count as a delay? QF95, 2nd Feb.
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Thanks 10JQKA,
For minute there I thought it might have been the abbreviated Macquarie Island transition onto ML 34 so they could have a long final....
Your "continuous descent" application is very impressive!!
For minute there I thought it might have been the abbreviated Macquarie Island transition onto ML 34 so they could have a long final....
Your "continuous descent" application is very impressive!!
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I will leave Plasbot to explain his true feelings about the CEO of AsA.
However I notice the words you chose were embedded in a paragraph that preceded words describing Jason as destroying the company and easily led by idiots or was it fools; doesn’t really matter as there are plenty of both were in / still are in AsA. Hardly complimentary but?
20 years is a long time to destroy air traffic control in Australia.
What? Oh the super…..
Pretty clever really stretching it out that long?
However I notice the words you chose were embedded in a paragraph that preceded words describing Jason as destroying the company and easily led by idiots or was it fools; doesn’t really matter as there are plenty of both were in / still are in AsA. Hardly complimentary but?
20 years is a long time to destroy air traffic control in Australia.
What? Oh the super…..
Pretty clever really stretching it out that long?
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However I notice the words you chose were embedded in a paragraph that preceded words describing Jason as destroying the company
Funny that no-one is denying the existence of a black list.
Hoosten,
Yes, I had considered “good bloke” sarcasm and I won’t argue with anything you have written.
Regardless of all opinions expressed of Jason over the years including the career advice from Bill Heffernan, we should all remember there has always been people responsible for Jason’s decision making and leadership. We should always remember that in discussing the current woeful state of Airservices Australia.
In my opinion, (and it is only that) Airservices in 2024 is in a far worse position than 2004, when it was still basking in the glow of a generally successful implementation of TAAATS Eurocat.
Australian aviation has lost two decades with regards to improving efficiency, innovation and safety from its air navigation service provider.
Airservices’ culture, corporate knowledge, technical knowledge and staffing is in a parlous state. I would be happy to be proven wrong.
There are quite a few people with humility who would be willing to help repair Airservices but that would be only after one of the following: a/. comprehensive investigation by the NACC, a royal commission or at the very least a wide ranging parliamentary inquiry.
I do not see any of those three happening.
The “black list” applies to more than just workface controllers.
No one I've spoken to sees it getting any better!
Yes, I had considered “good bloke” sarcasm and I won’t argue with anything you have written.
Regardless of all opinions expressed of Jason over the years including the career advice from Bill Heffernan, we should all remember there has always been people responsible for Jason’s decision making and leadership. We should always remember that in discussing the current woeful state of Airservices Australia.
In my opinion, (and it is only that) Airservices in 2024 is in a far worse position than 2004, when it was still basking in the glow of a generally successful implementation of TAAATS Eurocat.
Australian aviation has lost two decades with regards to improving efficiency, innovation and safety from its air navigation service provider.
Airservices’ culture, corporate knowledge, technical knowledge and staffing is in a parlous state. I would be happy to be proven wrong.
There are quite a few people with humility who would be willing to help repair Airservices but that would be only after one of the following: a/. comprehensive investigation by the NACC, a royal commission or at the very least a wide ranging parliamentary inquiry.
I do not see any of those three happening.
The “black list” applies to more than just workface controllers.
No one I've spoken to sees it getting any better!
One wonders just how close to implosion things are.
In Sydney especially and Brisbane especially.
Maybe that will finally be the impetus for government to step in and act rather than shying away from the problem.
In Sydney especially and Brisbane especially.
Maybe that will finally be the impetus for government to step in and act rather than shying away from the problem.
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Now we get a story that Airservices are not meeting their obligations with RFFS. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-...oast/103427882
At what point after the wheels have fallen off does the whole decaying infrastructure vehicle crash into the tree?
At what point after the wheels have fallen off does the whole decaying infrastructure vehicle crash into the tree?
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Even better the article identifies CASA had no idea (god, how normal that sounds) about the issue until the firies union informed them.
Appears to be a surveillance failure here. What a surprise!
Even better the article identifies CASA had no idea (god, how normal that sounds) about the issue until the firies union informed them.
Appears to be a surveillance failure here. What a surprise!
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Does this count as a delay? QF95, 2nd Feb.
Meanwhile the government bangs on about climate change and aviation yet some of the longest flights in the world can't even track direct because our government can't staff their own ATC system that they charge everyone for.