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Old 30th Sep 2023, 01:34
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Originally Posted by BO0M
From another thread ďAustralian WagesĒ and talking to the boys

Current Alliance F100/E190 figures are below. Seems negotiations are currently occurring to merge the two fleets into a single contract. F100 crews get RPT bonus on top E190 doesnít at the moment.

FO Base: $128679
CA Base: $186491

FO Productivity: $210
CPT Productivity: $332

RPT BONUS ( paid each month if you do an RPT flight, always paid apparently)
FO: $578
CPT: $838

According to the crews I know there captains are getting flogged, expect to fly 80-90 hours a month (productivity starts at 55 hours). FOs either just fall short of 55 or just bust it but thee may be outliers. So realistically a Captain on either fleet will be grossing around the $250k mark as a line driver. No idea what pays are like for those in the training department
80-90 hours of regional jet flying is slavery given the short sector lengths in addition to minimum days off. This isnít sustainable in the long term and itís hardly surprising crew turnover is high. It makes low cost in an A320/B737 look like heaven in comparison.
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Old 30th Sep 2023, 12:05
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Originally Posted by krismiler
80-90 hours of regional jet flying is slavery given the short sector lengths in addition to minimum days off. This isnít sustainable in the long term and itís hardly surprising crew turnover is high. It makes low cost in an A320/B737 look like heaven in comparison.

"slavery..." FFS!

To the best of my knowledge in Oz you still have freedom of choice...so choose wisely (or what ever suits your situation and you resolve within yourself).
Guarantee if you ask a group of 25-ish pilots Vs a group of 55-ish pilots their priorities will be different, money Vs lifestyle Vs "happy wife and family..." and all that crap.

Bad choice of word IMHO, expect better please.
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Old 30th Sep 2023, 13:43
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I wouldnít say the flying is any harder than 320/737 flying in oz, but the 8 days off is a problem when doing max hours especially.

Good if youíre chasing hours for a bit, but pretty fair to say it isnít sustainable.
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Old 30th Sep 2023, 23:16
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Originally Posted by grrowler
I wouldnít say the flying is any harder than 320/737 flying in oz, but the 8 days off is a problem when doing max hours especially.

Good if youíre chasing hours for a bit, but pretty fair to say it isnít sustainable.
currently get 6 fixed days off and 2 duty free days a month. So pretty much the same thing...
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Old 1st Oct 2023, 10:17
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I’m on a fixed pattern and on a good month have 2 blocks of 4 days OFF within that month. At the moment I’m enjoying a good break, however I’m so close to my 1000hrs/365 days that I can’t even operate the shortest return flight in the network.

Is it sustainable long term ? Not sure, the 4 sector days and back of the clock stuff is quite tiring however in a few years the mortgage is paid off, the kids are off my hands and a 50% roster is possible. Take home pay will easily cover the living expenses and even allow me to put something away instead of drawing down on the investments.

2 weeks on followed by 2 off with staff travel to spend it where I like is quite appealing.
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Old 2nd Oct 2023, 00:06
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The OP hasnít answered how he views a 30K bond? Are you OK to pay 30K if a better job comes up within a few months of joining? This is a very real scenario with a dynamic pilot market emerging. QF is recruiting from all three and I know a number of pilots who have had to pay 30K bonds or risk losing a better opportunity they didnít expect to emerge.

Kris, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off is available in the USA for Aussies now. Iím not trying to change topic or enter debate and if you want to do that, please go to the USA thread and weíll take it up there.

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Old 2nd Oct 2023, 00:13
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Originally Posted by Gnadenburg
The OP hasnít answered how he views a 30K bond? Are you OK to pay 30K if a better job comes up within a few months of joining? This is a very real scenario with a dynamic pilot market emerging. QF is recruiting from all three and I know a number of pilots who have had to pay 30K bonds or risk losing a better opportunity they didnít expect to emerge.

Kris, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off is available in the USA for Aussies now. Iím not trying to change topic or enter debate and if you want to do that, please go to the USA thread and weíll take it up there.
Not looking at jumping ships in a few months or years, lifestyle has become more important than ever. Being based at your preferred location makes all the difference. Plus have a side business helps make up any shortfall in terms of money compared to an airline. Staff travel isn't what it used to be anymore. Hence bond amount is irrelevant for me at this stage.
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Old 2nd Oct 2023, 01:09
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Lifestyle and those carriers may well be a paradoxical topic! Dozens upon dozens before you have left some of these jobs for that very reason. And paid a bond to do so. If youíve come from abroad and 30K barely a monthís pay donít worry about it and go look-see. Otherwise be very wary and look at line rosters.
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Old 2nd Oct 2023, 02:09
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With the traditional high rejection rate at QF I’d take a confirmed job offer first and plan on paying out any bond if I got lucky later on. 30 thousand is a small price in comparison to lifetime earnings at the big Q. If you don’t have previous jet time, a few months in the right hand seat of a 737 could make the difference between passing or failing the QF sim.

Remember pilot employment is highly cyclical, you don’t want to be left standing when the music stops on the current wave. Seniority is all important too, a few places down the list can make years difference to your upgrade.
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Old 2nd Oct 2023, 02:20
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Are you OK to pay 30K if a better job comes up within a few months of joining?
A very simple solution. You advise your employer that you intend to pay the bond but due to the level of salary you are on you do not have $30,000 readily available. As a result you intend to offer a payment plan and will send them $1000 every month until the debt is paid.
If it ever got to debt recovery action or a magistrate you would be in a very strong position.
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A number of folks caught out paying their training costs after they leave which negates a significant tax claim. You need to pay your bond whist still employed according to a number of accountants Iíve spoken to.

I agree a bond is nothing if you are financially secure or going to a very well paid job. However there is nothing enviable of the financial position of many Australian pilots. So you are well advised to have a think about a few creative scenarios down the track and whether you can afford to leave at the drop of a hat- which great aviation opportunities may dictate.
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I might be wrong but it seems like you think 8 days off/ 90 hrs is fine because you currently only have 8 days off now and youíre happy with low pay because you have another business (god knows when youíll have time for it) to subsidise. Youíll be perfect for the job.
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Old 4th Oct 2023, 10:11
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I heard a rumour Network are recruiting
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Old 4th Oct 2023, 10:12
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I heard a rumour Network are recruiting
You should go back
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 04:11
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Help 👨‍💻

So I have a job and the start date is a week into my leave from my current job. If I resign giving the minimum notice period I'll be starting my new job while I'm still on leave. So the question is can I start my new job while I'm on leave from my current employer legally?
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 10:35
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So I have a job and the start date is a week into my leave from my current job. If I resign giving the minimum notice period I'll be starting my new job while I'm still on leave. So the question is can I start my new job while I'm on leave from my current employer legally?
Well you ain't going to end in a cell block with Buba.

Probably in breach of your current employment contract, but if your on leave and you're leaving anyway then they won't know and much less care I would have thought.
The first week of any job is just induction fluff anyway.

If the thought prevents you taking that start with the new employer I'd say you didn't actually want the job in the first place.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 11:32
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So I have a job and the start date is a week into my leave from my current job. If I resign giving the minimum notice period I'll be starting my new job while I'm still on leave. So the question is can I start my new job while I'm on leave from my current employer legally?
https://www.hradviceonline.com.au/hr...n-annual-leave
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 06:44
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Have you considered a trade after 20 years in aviation your IMO way better off.
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Old 12th Oct 2023, 08:37
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Originally Posted by Lapon
Well you ain't going to end in a cell block with Buba.

Probably in breach of your current employment contract, but if your on leave and you're leaving anyway then they won't know and much less care I would have thought.
The first week of any job is just induction fluff anyway.

If the thought prevents you taking that start with the new employer I'd say you didn't actually want the job in the first place.

Going from a crapy piston to a multi crew turboprop, is ideal. Just didn't expect to get a start date when I'll be on holidays. Plus the industry is ruthless so don't want to 🔥 the 🌉 with my current employer, economic events aren't siding to well with aviation. Last one in first one out on the seniority list!
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Old 14th Oct 2023, 14:18
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Never said I'm happy with the low pay! base preference the the ACE card for me. Not a telemarketer however a well planned side business takes less time and effort to setup than one may think!
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