Alliance, Bonza or REX
From another thread “Australian Wages” and talking to the boys
Current Alliance F100/E190 figures are below. Seems negotiations are currently occurring to merge the two fleets into a single contract. F100 crews get RPT bonus on top E190 doesn’t at the moment.
FO Base: $128679
CA Base: $186491
FO Productivity: $210
CPT Productivity: $332
RPT BONUS ( paid each month if you do an RPT flight, always paid apparently)
FO: $578
CPT: $838
According to the crews I know there captains are getting flogged, expect to fly 80-90 hours a month (productivity starts at 55 hours). FOs either just fall short of 55 or just bust it but thee may be outliers. So realistically a Captain on either fleet will be grossing around the $250k mark as a line driver. No idea what pays are like for those in the training department
Current Alliance F100/E190 figures are below. Seems negotiations are currently occurring to merge the two fleets into a single contract. F100 crews get RPT bonus on top E190 doesn’t at the moment.
FO Base: $128679
CA Base: $186491
FO Productivity: $210
CPT Productivity: $332
RPT BONUS ( paid each month if you do an RPT flight, always paid apparently)
FO: $578
CPT: $838
According to the crews I know there captains are getting flogged, expect to fly 80-90 hours a month (productivity starts at 55 hours). FOs either just fall short of 55 or just bust it but thee may be outliers. So realistically a Captain on either fleet will be grossing around the $250k mark as a line driver. No idea what pays are like for those in the training department
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"slavery..." FFS!
To the best of my knowledge in Oz you still have freedom of choice...so choose wisely (or what ever suits your situation and you resolve within yourself).
Guarantee if you ask a group of 25-ish pilots Vs a group of 55-ish pilots their priorities will be different, money Vs lifestyle Vs "happy wife and family..." and all that crap.
Bad choice of word IMHO, expect better please.
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I wouldn’t say the flying is any harder than 320/737 flying in oz, but the 8 days off is a problem when doing max hours especially.
Good if you’re chasing hours for a bit, but pretty fair to say it isn’t sustainable.
Good if you’re chasing hours for a bit, but pretty fair to say it isn’t sustainable.
currently get 6 fixed days off and 2 duty free days a month. So pretty much the same thing...
I’m on a fixed pattern and on a good month have 2 blocks of 4 days OFF within that month. At the moment I’m enjoying a good break, however I’m so close to my 1000hrs/365 days that I can’t even operate the shortest return flight in the network.
Is it sustainable long term ? Not sure, the 4 sector days and back of the clock stuff is quite tiring however in a few years the mortgage is paid off, the kids are off my hands and a 50% roster is possible. Take home pay will easily cover the living expenses and even allow me to put something away instead of drawing down on the investments.
2 weeks on followed by 2 off with staff travel to spend it where I like is quite appealing.
Is it sustainable long term ? Not sure, the 4 sector days and back of the clock stuff is quite tiring however in a few years the mortgage is paid off, the kids are off my hands and a 50% roster is possible. Take home pay will easily cover the living expenses and even allow me to put something away instead of drawing down on the investments.
2 weeks on followed by 2 off with staff travel to spend it where I like is quite appealing.
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The OP hasn’t answered how he views a 30K bond? Are you OK to pay 30K if a better job comes up within a few months of joining? This is a very real scenario with a dynamic pilot market emerging. QF is recruiting from all three and I know a number of pilots who have had to pay 30K bonds or risk losing a better opportunity they didn’t expect to emerge.
Kris, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off is available in the USA for Aussies now. I’m not trying to change topic or enter debate and if you want to do that, please go to the USA thread and we’ll take it up there.
Kris, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off is available in the USA for Aussies now. I’m not trying to change topic or enter debate and if you want to do that, please go to the USA thread and we’ll take it up there.
The OP hasn’t answered how he views a 30K bond? Are you OK to pay 30K if a better job comes up within a few months of joining? This is a very real scenario with a dynamic pilot market emerging. QF is recruiting from all three and I know a number of pilots who have had to pay 30K bonds or risk losing a better opportunity they didn’t expect to emerge.
Kris, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off is available in the USA for Aussies now. I’m not trying to change topic or enter debate and if you want to do that, please go to the USA thread and we’ll take it up there.
Kris, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off is available in the USA for Aussies now. I’m not trying to change topic or enter debate and if you want to do that, please go to the USA thread and we’ll take it up there.
Lifestyle and those carriers may well be a paradoxical topic! Dozens upon dozens before you have left some of these jobs for that very reason. And paid a bond to do so. If you’ve come from abroad and 30K barely a month’s pay don’t worry about it and go look-see. Otherwise be very wary and look at line rosters.
With the traditional high rejection rate at QF I’d take a confirmed job offer first and plan on paying out any bond if I got lucky later on. 30 thousand is a small price in comparison to lifetime earnings at the big Q. If you don’t have previous jet time, a few months in the right hand seat of a 737 could make the difference between passing or failing the QF sim.
Remember pilot employment is highly cyclical, you don’t want to be left standing when the music stops on the current wave. Seniority is all important too, a few places down the list can make years difference to your upgrade.
Remember pilot employment is highly cyclical, you don’t want to be left standing when the music stops on the current wave. Seniority is all important too, a few places down the list can make years difference to your upgrade.
Are you OK to pay 30K if a better job comes up within a few months of joining?
If it ever got to debt recovery action or a magistrate you would be in a very strong position.
A number of folks caught out paying their training costs after they leave which negates a significant tax claim. You need to pay your bond whist still employed according to a number of accountants I’ve spoken to.
I agree a bond is nothing if you are financially secure or going to a very well paid job. However there is nothing enviable of the financial position of many Australian pilots. So you are well advised to have a think about a few creative scenarios down the track and whether you can afford to leave at the drop of a hat- which great aviation opportunities may dictate.
I agree a bond is nothing if you are financially secure or going to a very well paid job. However there is nothing enviable of the financial position of many Australian pilots. So you are well advised to have a think about a few creative scenarios down the track and whether you can afford to leave at the drop of a hat- which great aviation opportunities may dictate.
I might be wrong but it seems like you think 8 days off/ 90 hrs is fine because you currently only have 8 days off now and you’re happy with low pay because you have another business (god knows when you’ll have time for it) to subsidise. You’ll be perfect for the job.
I heard a rumour Network are recruiting 
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So I have a job and the start date is a week into my leave from my current job. If I resign giving the minimum notice period I'll be starting my new job while I'm still on leave. So the question is can I start my new job while I'm on leave from my current employer legally?
So I have a job and the start date is a week into my leave from my current job. If I resign giving the minimum notice period I'll be starting my new job while I'm still on leave. So the question is can I start my new job while I'm on leave from my current employer legally?
Probably in breach of your current employment contract, but if your on leave and you're leaving anyway then they won't know and much less care I would have thought.
The first week of any job is just induction fluff anyway.
If the thought prevents you taking that start with the new employer I'd say you didn't actually want the job in the first place.
So I have a job and the start date is a week into my leave from my current job. If I resign giving the minimum notice period I'll be starting my new job while I'm still on leave. So the question is can I start my new job while I'm on leave from my current employer legally?
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Well you ain't going to end in a cell block with Buba.
Probably in breach of your current employment contract, but if your on leave and you're leaving anyway then they won't know and much less care I would have thought.
The first week of any job is just induction fluff anyway.
If the thought prevents you taking that start with the new employer I'd say you didn't actually want the job in the first place.
Probably in breach of your current employment contract, but if your on leave and you're leaving anyway then they won't know and much less care I would have thought.
The first week of any job is just induction fluff anyway.
If the thought prevents you taking that start with the new employer I'd say you didn't actually want the job in the first place.
Going from a crapy piston to a multi crew turboprop, is ideal. Just didn't expect to get a start date when I'll be on holidays. Plus the industry is ruthless so don't want to 🔥 the 🌉 with my current employer, economic events aren't siding to well with aviation. Last one in first one out on the seniority list!
Never said I'm happy with the low pay! base preference the the ACE card for me. Not a telemarketer however a well planned side business takes less time and effort to setup than one may think!