NJS and the A220
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What has changed recently (since Qantas management purchased the business) is that Qantas management has closed all their regional bases and is trying to operate them on more domestic mainline routes. From overheard convos on the crew bus NJS Pilots have no interest in stealing routes and their life has got considerably more miserable since Qantas took them over.
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Were NJS pilots stood down much, if at all, during covid?
I distinctly remember receiving photos in an email from the QF Friday weekly news thing they send us all, of NJS management cutting cakes mid pandemic while I was stood down unpaid. Why were they cutting cakes? Because they were being awarded new routes on the 717 which were previously 737 routes.
Who else would have taken the a220s off them? It wouldn't have been mainline back then as they're clearly too expensive.
Very unlikely it would be NAA as they're over on the west coast and an unorganised mess struggling with their own ops.
What specifically was the threat they faced?
Yeah, they did the same thing.
I distinctly remember receiving photos in an email from the QF Friday weekly news thing they send us all, of NJS management cutting cakes mid pandemic while I was stood down unpaid. Why were they cutting cakes? Because they were being awarded new routes on the 717 which were previously 737 routes.
Who else would have taken the a220s off them? It wouldn't have been mainline back then as they're clearly too expensive.
Very unlikely it would be NAA as they're over on the west coast and an unorganised mess struggling with their own ops.
What specifically was the threat they faced?
Yeah, they did the same thing.
NAA, as you say is in WA but an AOC is little more than a piece of paper. The location is almost irrelevant to Qantas management or NJS. The threat was that the A220 would be placed under the NAA AOC and every NJS pilot would wither on the vine with the 717. If pilots wanted to continue their employment, they would have to apply to work on the A220. The A220 was going NAA, and the East coast bases would continue on the NAA EBA.
If/when you grow some balls, you should direct your agro towards the CEO as he/she/it is responsible for fracturing the pilot group purely for IR reasons.
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In all seriousness no group entity or contractor owns any routes. Some might have traditionally operated them for a long time, but times and aircraft utilization changes... thats going to become very apparent as the 220s come online and the smallest mainline aircraft potentially ends up a 200+ seat 321.
At the risk of feeding the trolls, I’ll correct some of the deliberate misinformation here.
NAA, as you say is in WA but an AOC is little more than a piece of paper. The location is almost irrelevant to Qantas management or NJS. The threat was that the A220 would be placed under the NAA AOC and every NJS pilot would wither on the vine with the 717. If pilots wanted to continue their employment, they would have to apply to work on the A220. The A220 was going NAA, and the East coast bases would continue on the NAA EBA.
If/when you grow some balls, you should direct your agro towards the CEO as he/she/it is responsible for fracturing the pilot group purely for IR reasons.
NAA, as you say is in WA but an AOC is little more than a piece of paper. The location is almost irrelevant to Qantas management or NJS. The threat was that the A220 would be placed under the NAA AOC and every NJS pilot would wither on the vine with the 717. If pilots wanted to continue their employment, they would have to apply to work on the A220. The A220 was going NAA, and the East coast bases would continue on the NAA EBA.
If/when you grow some balls, you should direct your agro towards the CEO as he/she/it is responsible for fracturing the pilot group purely for IR reasons.
Don't worry. My gripe is with management. And the scabs who save the day for $360/day RDO call outs.
What has changed recently (since Qantas management purchased the business) is that Qantas management has closed all their regional bases and is trying to operate them on more domestic mainline routes. From overheard convos on the crew bus NJS Pilots have no interest in stealing routes and their life has got considerably more miserable since Qantas took them over.
If/when you grow some balls, you should direct your agro towards the CEO as he/she/it is responsible for fracturing the pilot group purely for IR reasons.
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They take more flying from the other group airlines. QF have signed a lengthy contract with Alliance to use many airframes. Not going to be a lot of work left for the 737s once the 220s and 190s are fully up to speed.
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It’s been said before:
E Jets = Old Cobham NJS work
A220 = B737 work
A321 = A330 work
It’ll be their 10 year plan.
No more engineers needed to dispatch domestic aircraft. Cheaper Pilot wages with less complex EAs. Upper management all walk away with millions.
E Jets = Old Cobham NJS work
A220 = B737 work
A321 = A330 work
It’ll be their 10 year plan.
No more engineers needed to dispatch domestic aircraft. Cheaper Pilot wages with less complex EAs. Upper management all walk away with millions.
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Except none of the replacement aircraft suggested can do the job of the aircraft they would replace. Clapped out E190s only carry about 94 pax and have no wifi or entertainment. A220 problems just starting to emerge especially in regards to power plant, only carry about 150. A321 versus A330 not even worth discussing. As mentioned, JG pushed his agenda and seemingly won the day, but now it will all start to unravel.
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What people seem to not get their heads around is that slots aren’t increasing at airports. Every port is getting busier, but more slots aren’t magically appearing. Airports still aren’t building 20 year overdue runways. So aircraft need to be bigger.
Whilst I don’t doubt that some mainline work will go to NJS, these A321’s are needed for the triangle, plus other busy routes and also new emerging medium haul international markets. Why would QF commit to more than 20 when they don’t have a crystal ball to see 7 years down the track when we all go down the aviation rollercoaster again? Many 737’s have a lot of life left in them and the fleet replacement will take time with a dual fleet for a period. Whilst I don’t think we’ll see 75 x A321’s I think 50-60 would be in the ball park with the remainder being in the A330 replacement aircraft.
The replacement is being announced at the full year results and if you old guys think a smaller aircraft can replace the current capacity with the debacle of Australian airports and their slot system, you have to be kidding yourself.
As for the E190/A220, yes there will be work for them as a significant amount of new routes have been started throughout covid. This will naturally take some passengers from the main routes and more evenly distribute pax around the network.
Whilst I don’t doubt that some mainline work will go to NJS, these A321’s are needed for the triangle, plus other busy routes and also new emerging medium haul international markets. Why would QF commit to more than 20 when they don’t have a crystal ball to see 7 years down the track when we all go down the aviation rollercoaster again? Many 737’s have a lot of life left in them and the fleet replacement will take time with a dual fleet for a period. Whilst I don’t think we’ll see 75 x A321’s I think 50-60 would be in the ball park with the remainder being in the A330 replacement aircraft.
The replacement is being announced at the full year results and if you old guys think a smaller aircraft can replace the current capacity with the debacle of Australian airports and their slot system, you have to be kidding yourself.
As for the E190/A220, yes there will be work for them as a significant amount of new routes have been started throughout covid. This will naturally take some passengers from the main routes and more evenly distribute pax around the network.
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It didn't matter in the face of yield management and contempt for the public. Alas, here we are.
A smaller aircraft can always replace a bigger one.
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MEL - CBR initial route with Jooooohn G still sprucing SE Asia. Lookin good John. Got anyone to fly it yet?
Get more small planes, where ya gonna park them? Melbourne converting prime position gates in to 'retail precincts' cos the moneys in overpriced coffee establisments yeah?