NJS and the A220
The 717 flew probably the most out of the group during covid. Some 717 bases barely got stood down.
“we’re all in this together” they said. Absolute BS.
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Network flew all the time. Only a small handful of pilots got stood down once for two weeks, if even that. Meanwhile all the Perth 737 crew were stood down consistently or getting rolled into Quarantine for 14 days for doing a Darwin return because it was fine for them to fly Darwin then, but today it’s purely a Netlink a320 route.
“we’re all in this together” they said. Absolute BS.
“we’re all in this together” they said. Absolute BS.
If Perth 737 crew were stood down then its because they were not needed at that time. If Network crew weren't, then they were needed to do whatever it is they were doing.
I'd go further to say the Perth to Darwin flying doesn't belong to QF mainline anymore than it belongs to Network.
The pilots job is to fly the plane where and when told to, not to imply a right to a particular route because thats what he/she has become accustomed to.
The truth is NJS pilots are being left well behind. Rex 737 EBA* has a similar base salary but when their allowances are factored in, they're clearly ahead. Alliance in BNE also have similar base salaries but are miles ahead when allowances are factored in, plus they're based in BNE. Network's proposed EBA even has most pilots clearly ahead of NJS. A friend at NJS tells me that most of the frequent complainers on the NJS pilot private FacePprune group about hotel quality, rosters, transport and jealousy of other airlines getting bonuses and salary increases...openly voted yes to their woeful EBA!
*if/when it comes into effect
*if/when it comes into effect
Infact many of my buddies at Network would love to be on the NJS agreement......luckily for Network most of the guys that work there just don't want to leave WA.
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Not sure where you're getting your BS from BSL? As woeful as the NJS agreement is, it runs rings around Network and Alliance et al...
Infact many of my buddies at Network would love to be on the NJS agreement......luckily for Network most of the guys that work there just don't want to leave WA.
Infact many of my buddies at Network would love to be on the NJS agreement......luckily for Network most of the guys that work there just don't want to leave WA.
Still falls way short. Maybe the NAA CP should take a break from OTP emails and refresh himself with his former employers pilots agreement.
Six names for six French aircraft - up to the same standard as French ATC radar, French Submarines, French Wine, French Letters, French ...................
How about the following
Long Drop (winner),
Shouse
Bogger
Pissoir (to recognise origin)
Crapper
Outhouse
How about the following
Long Drop (winner),
Shouse
Bogger
Pissoir (to recognise origin)
Crapper
Outhouse
Your frustration of Network now operating Perth to Darwin has nothing to do with McGowan's quarantine requirements, they are two seperate issues.
If Perth 737 crew were stood down then its because they were not needed at that time. If Network crew weren't, then they were needed to do whatever it is they were doing.
I'd go further to say the Perth to Darwin flying doesn't belong to QF mainline anymore than it belongs to Network.
The pilots job is to fly the plane where and when told to, not to imply a right to a particular route because thats what he/she has become accustomed to.
If Perth 737 crew were stood down then its because they were not needed at that time. If Network crew weren't, then they were needed to do whatever it is they were doing.
I'd go further to say the Perth to Darwin flying doesn't belong to QF mainline anymore than it belongs to Network.
The pilots job is to fly the plane where and when told to, not to imply a right to a particular route because thats what he/she has become accustomed to.
Just transfer all the west coast RPT to Network.
All the east coast to NJS.
Give the trans-tasman and SA/NT work to Alliance.
Hell, why replace the ageing a330s when you can just get companies like Finnair to do it all?
I mean, I'm sure it's got nothing to do with the fact those subsidiaries are paid a fraction of traditional mainline wages, even while the company is making billions again in profit with aircraft suffering dozens of MELs, hold items, service issues etc.
I mean, the pilot's job is to fly the plane where and when told to, not to imply a right to a particular route because that's what he/she has become accustomed to.
Let me guess, strategic imperative?
"We are all in it together" from up the top yet whatever little flying there was got handed to the subsids and wasn't equally shared around.
Or are you completely oblivious that Network was bought to cater for the resource sector? ie the charter side of things in WA. Consistently expanding and taking RPT routes, while the public is none the wiser, while it's being operated by QLink.
Yeah, let's just ignore it, eh. After all, our job is to just shut up and fly the plane where and when told to.
Let's just skip another ten years into the future and save management the hassle. Let's just eradicate QF SH and let the 3 QLinks completely take over the QF domestic sectors, and the international side can go to Alliance, Finnair... and I'm sure we can wet lease to other companies. Maybe the project sunrise should have gone to a new entity, the way former International CEO Tino La Spina told the pilots they'd do if they didn't agree to the EBA ultimatum. Why should they have questioned it? Just fly what you're told to.
Go back to your management desk and stay of pprune.
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You're right.
Just transfer all the west coast RPT to Network.
All the east coast to NJS.
Give the trans-tasman and SA/NT work to Alliance.
Hell, why replace the ageing a330s when you can just get companies like Finnair to do it all?
I mean, I'm sure it's got nothing to do with the fact those subsidiaries are paid a fraction of traditional mainline wages, even while the company is making billions again in profit with aircraft suffering dozens of MELs, hold items, service issues etc.
I mean, the pilot's job is to fly the plane where and when told to, not to imply a right to a particular route because that's what he/she has become accustomed to.
Let me guess, strategic imperative?
"We are all in it together" from up the top yet whatever little flying there was got handed to the subsids and wasn't equally shared around.
Or are you completely oblivious that Network was bought to cater for the resource sector? ie the charter side of things in WA. Consistently expanding and taking RPT routes, while the public is none the wiser, while it's being operated by QLink.
Yeah, let's just ignore it, eh. After all, our job is to just shut up and fly the plane where and when told to.
Let's just skip another ten years into the future and save management the hassle. Let's just eradicate QF SH and let the 3 QLinks completely take over the QF domestic sectors, and the international side can go to Alliance, Finnair... and I'm sure we can wet lease to other companies. Maybe the project sunrise should have gone to a new entity, the way former International CEO Tino La Spina told the pilots they'd do if they didn't agree to the EBA ultimatum. Why should they have questioned it? Just fly what you're told to.
Go back to your management desk and stay of pprune.
Just transfer all the west coast RPT to Network.
All the east coast to NJS.
Give the trans-tasman and SA/NT work to Alliance.
Hell, why replace the ageing a330s when you can just get companies like Finnair to do it all?
I mean, I'm sure it's got nothing to do with the fact those subsidiaries are paid a fraction of traditional mainline wages, even while the company is making billions again in profit with aircraft suffering dozens of MELs, hold items, service issues etc.
I mean, the pilot's job is to fly the plane where and when told to, not to imply a right to a particular route because that's what he/she has become accustomed to.
Let me guess, strategic imperative?
"We are all in it together" from up the top yet whatever little flying there was got handed to the subsids and wasn't equally shared around.
Or are you completely oblivious that Network was bought to cater for the resource sector? ie the charter side of things in WA. Consistently expanding and taking RPT routes, while the public is none the wiser, while it's being operated by QLink.
Yeah, let's just ignore it, eh. After all, our job is to just shut up and fly the plane where and when told to.
Let's just skip another ten years into the future and save management the hassle. Let's just eradicate QF SH and let the 3 QLinks completely take over the QF domestic sectors, and the international side can go to Alliance, Finnair... and I'm sure we can wet lease to other companies. Maybe the project sunrise should have gone to a new entity, the way former International CEO Tino La Spina told the pilots they'd do if they didn't agree to the EBA ultimatum. Why should they have questioned it? Just fly what you're told to.
Go back to your management desk and stay of pprune.
You are correct in that the public couldn't care less whether its Qlink or mainline, but why should they? Its of no material difference to them.
I'll also agree that SH will probably have less of relative presence in the future, but that's the pilot/union's fault in a bygone era for never having any sort of scope clause like the yanks or even Air NZ do.
Nobody said Qantas was even half well run, so dont make the mistake of believing what you're told such as 'we are in it together' or 'Jetstar will only have x number of aircraft' etc.
Complaining about the potential demise of mainline to the subsidiaries is like complaining about Jetstars expansion at QF mainline expense, we heard it all circa 20 years ago but here we are.
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The subsidiaries are not taking over because of what two different pilots are paid, its because the companies network planners are not going to send a 170 seat aircraft out when a 100 seat regional jet will suffice.
You are correct in that the public couldn't care less whether its Qlink or mainline, but why should they? Its of no material difference to them.
I'll also agree that SH will probably have less of relative presence in the future, but that's the pilot/union's fault in a bygone era for never having any sort of scope clause like the yanks or even Air NZ do.
Nobody said Qantas was even half well run, so dont make the mistake of believing what you're told such as 'we are in it together' or 'Jetstar will only have x number of aircraft' etc.
Complaining about the potential demise of mainline to the subsidiaries is like complaining about Jetstars expansion at QF mainline expense, we heard it all circa 20 years ago but here we are.
You are correct in that the public couldn't care less whether its Qlink or mainline, but why should they? Its of no material difference to them.
I'll also agree that SH will probably have less of relative presence in the future, but that's the pilot/union's fault in a bygone era for never having any sort of scope clause like the yanks or even Air NZ do.
Nobody said Qantas was even half well run, so dont make the mistake of believing what you're told such as 'we are in it together' or 'Jetstar will only have x number of aircraft' etc.
Complaining about the potential demise of mainline to the subsidiaries is like complaining about Jetstars expansion at QF mainline expense, we heard it all circa 20 years ago but here we are.
It does not make sense when a QLink A320 is operating a route that a QF B737 previously operated. PER-BME, PER-ADL, PER-DRW. The Captains on these routes all used to be paid $100k more than they are now.
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That makes sense for many NJS routes. A MEL-CBR every hour with 70 punters is obviously more suited to a B717 rather than a B737.
It does not make sense when a QLink A320 is operating a route that a QF B737 previously operated. PER-BME, PER-ADL, PER-DRW. The Captains on these routes all used to be paid $100k more than they are now.
It does not make sense when a QLink A320 is operating a route that a QF B737 previously operated. PER-BME, PER-ADL, PER-DRW. The Captains on these routes all used to be paid $100k more than they are now.
Probably sending the 73 transcon instead of the 330, but thats not considered taking someone elses flying
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I’m sure no pilot relishes the thought that your job has been taken, but other than crapping on your fellow pilot, have you ever sent your agro towards the people responsible? Seems you may have some misdirected anger.
In fact, I can't recall ever reading a thread on here about NJS/network/jetconnect pilots gloating about 'taking your jobs'.
If you want solidarity, poking fun of and talking sh*t about your fellow pilots is a strange way to go about it.
I don't know the rationale for each route/fleet allocation but I'd half expect the 737s being needed elsewhere is the rationale rather than the wage makeup of two guys up front.
Probably sending the 73 transcon instead of the 330, but thats not considered taking someone elses flying
Probably sending the 73 transcon instead of the 330, but thats not considered taking someone elses flying
How many times have QF pilots been told that Network would only get 2 or 3 a320s? Now they have how many? I've lost count. They have apparently another dozen a319s lined up and ready to go in the next few years.
So, if they need extra capacity, why expand a subsidiary on trans-perth bus driving wages?
Why not give mainline more jets and keep the work where it's traditionally been?
Cost saving. Not right aircraft right route. A320 vs 737 is basically the same to Darwin, Hedland, Karratha, Broome.
If they cared about the right aircraft for the right route then perhaps they wouldn't be severely capping international sectors which are so weight and fuel limited like PER-LHR during the northern winter. Perhaps they'd have a plan B for the rumours of something like 70% of project sunrise a350 SYD-LHR not making it in daily simulated flight plans with daily conditions.
Right aircraft on the right wages. Call mainline pilots whingers all you want, but show me which other airline in Australia still has decent legacy conditions and pay?
Go visit the two VA threads that are currently going and let me know how they feel over there.
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Pretty sure this thread was started with the purpose of degrading NJS pilots with a large photo of an ibis.
In fact, I can't recall ever reading a thread on here about NJS/network/jetconnect pilots gloating about 'taking your jobs'.
If you want solidarity, poking fun of and talking sh*t about your fellow pilots is a strange way to go about it.
In fact, I can't recall ever reading a thread on here about NJS/network/jetconnect pilots gloating about 'taking your jobs'.
If you want solidarity, poking fun of and talking sh*t about your fellow pilots is a strange way to go about it.
I’m sure mainline guys would love to get A220 crew across from NJS onto the short haul award to both improve conditions for you and also to make their own futures more secure.
But while subsidiary pilots keep signing crap fear-based deals during a global pilot shortage, how exactly do you expect mainline crew to react?
If you want solidarity, you need to be prepared to not undercut other groups/agreements.
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