Qantaslink/eastern Pilots Stopwork
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Qantaslink/eastern Pilots Stopwork
QANTASLINK/EAA PILOTS plan stopwork meeting on Tuesday 3rd September 2002. No flights will depart Sydney from 10.30 to 1700. This is all because the big Q wants ( badly) to ruin their lifestyle and pay nothing for it. Sorry QF, lifestyle is not for sale.
I have heard on the rumour mill that the Long Haul boys/girls received their pay increase with no trade offs. Is this true? Why is QF so hell bent on ruining EAAs lifestyle?
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Which Long Haul boys/girls are you talking about? All long haul pilots are on a 12 month pay freeze that finishes at the end of the year I think.New EBA has not yet been negotiated.
All previous EBA's have involve numerous and significant trade off's.
All previous EBA's have involve numerous and significant trade off's.
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Doesn't EBA stand for Enterprise Bullying Agreement?
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Or an Impulse pilot for that matter, Alien.
Qantas would be a swear word in my house if I could afford to have one after being made redundant!
P.S - Douglas. Anything heard on the arrival of more 717s? Rumours have gone from end of 2002 to early/mid 2003 and I'm beginning to get a touch concerned that they might get here even later than that.
Qantas would be a swear word in my house if I could afford to have one after being made redundant!
P.S - Douglas. Anything heard on the arrival of more 717s? Rumours have gone from end of 2002 to early/mid 2003 and I'm beginning to get a touch concerned that they might get here even later than that.
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Four Points. If these Eastern pilots dont like the " Conditions " that they are being " forced to endure " perhaps they could leave. They should not forget forget that at the end of the day it is the TRAVELLING public and not the NON TRAVELLING public that keeps us all in a job.
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Let's come back here in December
D McD,
Unless you actually work for Eastern and have done so for a few years, I hardly think you are qualified to make the statement:
The decision to take this action has been deferred twice now as an act of goodwill. Unfortunately this goodwill has not been reciprocated from the highest level (externally). So it is a decision that has not been made in haste.
I'd like to come back here in December and compare the names on the seniority list if there is not a satisfactory resolution to this matter. Perhaps you'll be right.....
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Unless you actually work for Eastern and have done so for a few years, I hardly think you are qualified to make the statement:
If these Eastern pilots dont like the " Conditions " that they are being " forced to endure " perhaps they could leave.
I'd like to come back here in December and compare the names on the seniority list if there is not a satisfactory resolution to this matter. Perhaps you'll be right.....
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What conditions are they hammering? Seems like Eastern get the short end of the stick in a few areas, strange since they were supposedly the profitable one.
I have heard your engineers get crap pay as well.
And I have to feel for your Techies on the BWT o/n when you do BWT-MEL in the morning and the F/A gets off for 24hrs in MEL and the drivers keep driving
!! What's the go with that, if it's legal for the drivers to keep driving then why don't the bunchuckers keep chucking buns?
Good luck.
I have heard your engineers get crap pay as well.
And I have to feel for your Techies on the BWT o/n when you do BWT-MEL in the morning and the F/A gets off for 24hrs in MEL and the drivers keep driving
!! What's the go with that, if it's legal for the drivers to keep driving then why don't the bunchuckers keep chucking buns?Good luck.
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Just a friendly comment. Has anybody had a look outside the world of EAA lately to see how the rest of the regional airlines are travelling. Why receive more money than other regional crews? The big Q is not going to bow to staff salary increases just because "they made a profit" for the year. How many Q shares have you all been issued with lately??? Yes, everyone deserves the CPI increase. Staff having already accepted an increase some time ago for the Big Dash, wouldn't CPI be enough? I'm sure some interesting posts will follow!
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Jarse no I do not work for EAA. I just cant help but feel that there is a bit of a head in the sand mentality. There are so many guys out of work in this country at the moment. Obviously there are issuses that you need to sort out. I wonder how Four points would feel if his livelyhood was ripped out from under him as happened in 89 and recently. Thats what I would call BADLY RUINING a lifestyle.
Is it true out of interest that EAA recently recieved a rebuke from QF management for not operating efficiently and or profitably?
Best of luck with the battle ahead. Dougy.
Is it true out of interest that EAA recently recieved a rebuke from QF management for not operating efficiently and or profitably?
Best of luck with the battle ahead. Dougy.
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Mr Wright, if you consider ONE PERCENT as a pay increase for an aircraft with almost 50% more capacity, then I guess we did get a payrise. Wow, I had no idea what to do with my $360 after tax. However, it did partly cover the disproportionate cost of living increase.
All the payrises we've had in the last 8 years have beel LESS than CPI. So real wages have reduced as well as the conditions lost just to get less than CPI.
I suggest you go to OSIRIS and see who get paid more than us. Southern and Skywest are just two others that I can think of that do better. And good on them. Remember that ANY conditions attached to ANY job are usually a result of hard work put in by employees/unions.
The reason wages are going down in this industry is that people are prepared to accept lousy conditions because they are desperate and will do just about anything to get that airline job. That's fine if you want it.
That's why you get such well thought out responses from people like "Go on, leave. I'll do it for less". Wish I had a $ for every time I saw that somewhere on this and other BBS's. Pilots are their own worst enemy. And Companies know that.
All we are trying to do is MAINTAIN our conditions. The cost of living has gone up more than 7% since I last had my salary increased.
D.McD: No rebuke that I'm aware of. The Company is quite profitable. Just remember this is not a strike. It is protected action permitted under Industrial Relations legislation.
To quote one of my colleagues "We are not asking for a big payrise, we're just asking not to be screwed". That is all we ask.
All the payrises we've had in the last 8 years have beel LESS than CPI. So real wages have reduced as well as the conditions lost just to get less than CPI.
I suggest you go to OSIRIS and see who get paid more than us. Southern and Skywest are just two others that I can think of that do better. And good on them. Remember that ANY conditions attached to ANY job are usually a result of hard work put in by employees/unions.
The reason wages are going down in this industry is that people are prepared to accept lousy conditions because they are desperate and will do just about anything to get that airline job. That's fine if you want it.
That's why you get such well thought out responses from people like "Go on, leave. I'll do it for less". Wish I had a $ for every time I saw that somewhere on this and other BBS's. Pilots are their own worst enemy. And Companies know that.
All we are trying to do is MAINTAIN our conditions. The cost of living has gone up more than 7% since I last had my salary increased.
D.McD: No rebuke that I'm aware of. The Company is quite profitable. Just remember this is not a strike. It is protected action permitted under Industrial Relations legislation.
To quote one of my colleagues "We are not asking for a big payrise, we're just asking not to be screwed". That is all we ask.
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At this stage it appears so
There has been no contact apart from an email from the GM asking for reconsideration.
Crews have been advised of their duty changes today.
Crews have been advised of their duty changes today.
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Has anybody considered the implications if QF asks Sunstate and Southern to cover some of EAA's routes should the stop work occur?
Should the other QF Regional pilots refuse to fly those routes, and what would be the legal implications if they did refuse?
Should the other QF Regional pilots refuse to fly those routes, and what would be the legal implications if they did refuse?
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Hi Guys
It seems that Southern guys are doing both AY and CH today through the stop work.
Bit of a pity as at the end of the day we are now also battling for their future pay and conditions as well.
As for Mr Wright.You will find the pay increase Eastern took was an intial 1% to over the arrival of the first 2 300's only.
We now have another 3 and as per the previous EBA a further rise was to be negotiated.In the case negotiation is a one way street NO,No or No.So much for negotiation.
Two can play that game!!
From some of the comments on this forum you can clearly see why pilots in Australia are some of the lowest paid in the world on a cost of living basis when compared to Europe and the US and will continue to be so while these attitude's persist.
People who are not prepared to stand up for what they are worth have ruined this industry all in aid of the mighty flying hour. They also seem to have forgotten.
It is just another type of JOB! You must get what is best for you and your family while you can as we are all just expendable units these days.
Get what you can while you can as you never now when the music will stop.
It seems that Southern guys are doing both AY and CH today through the stop work.
Bit of a pity as at the end of the day we are now also battling for their future pay and conditions as well.
As for Mr Wright.You will find the pay increase Eastern took was an intial 1% to over the arrival of the first 2 300's only.
We now have another 3 and as per the previous EBA a further rise was to be negotiated.In the case negotiation is a one way street NO,No or No.So much for negotiation.
Two can play that game!!
From some of the comments on this forum you can clearly see why pilots in Australia are some of the lowest paid in the world on a cost of living basis when compared to Europe and the US and will continue to be so while these attitude's persist.
People who are not prepared to stand up for what they are worth have ruined this industry all in aid of the mighty flying hour. They also seem to have forgotten.
It is just another type of JOB! You must get what is best for you and your family while you can as we are all just expendable units these days.
Get what you can while you can as you never now when the music will stop.
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Appears to be one return by a Southern 146 on each of those routes but prob the legal implications are that they can't refuse. Could go sick I suppose.
Also don't forget the Southern guys, especially the jet guys seem to be getting right royally screwed at the mo anyway.
Also don't forget the Southern guys, especially the jet guys seem to be getting right royally screwed at the mo anyway.
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PD, correct the guidlines of industrial action these days are very specific, for Southern to refuse to do the flights would be deemed as a secondary boycott of another Companies disputewhich is unprotected action that can be prosecutable in court to those involved. Eastern's action is protected, as it is within a ligitimate negotiating????? period.
You would be pleased to know though that two Southern pilots did come down with sudden illness when their shifts were allocated on the said day.
Every one that reads this post should be aware that Qantas is showing all the signs of an employer which doesn't give a flying f*** about outcomes, loyalty and people, only that the fat useless executive pigs get to show the boss how hard they can screw the workers of the Regionals!!!
We all talk about "the culture" within our companies from time to time, what is good and what is bad, but Q is driving every pilot, FA,engineer, and ground staffer to total despair. The culture now is "why bother to do that bit extra to help out, or promote your company, the pri*** will tell you one thing and renegg on it as soon as your back is turned.
Roll on SQ, VB, or anyone else that can stick it up Q!!!
You would be pleased to know though that two Southern pilots did come down with sudden illness when their shifts were allocated on the said day.
Every one that reads this post should be aware that Qantas is showing all the signs of an employer which doesn't give a flying f*** about outcomes, loyalty and people, only that the fat useless executive pigs get to show the boss how hard they can screw the workers of the Regionals!!!
We all talk about "the culture" within our companies from time to time, what is good and what is bad, but Q is driving every pilot, FA,engineer, and ground staffer to total despair. The culture now is "why bother to do that bit extra to help out, or promote your company, the pri*** will tell you one thing and renegg on it as soon as your back is turned.
Roll on SQ, VB, or anyone else that can stick it up Q!!!