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Old 12th May 2023, 18:49
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Originally Posted by compressor stall
Why isn’t that front page news?
That's a very good question. Seems that aviation journos look at atsb investigations regularly on ATSB website for their research but may not be aware of the existence of the REPCON database on said website ? If they look at these pprune threads it may trigger some interest maybe ?
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Old 12th May 2023, 21:48
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Originally Posted by compressor stall
Why isn’t that front page news?
Because safety was never compromised. Just ask 'the authorities' and the operators involved.

Why else would these operations be permitted and happening by choice?
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Old 12th May 2023, 23:34
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
Because safety was never compromised. Just ask 'the authorities' and the operators involved.

Why else would these operations be permitted and happening by choice?
Yes, minister.

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Old 13th May 2023, 07:00
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Overnight/yesterday there were a raft of Head Office NOTAMs advising of various closures and operating restrictions due to Airservices. Restrictions ranged from "relevant approval from operating authority" and "access authority" required to "limited SIS provided" and "expect delay for clearance" alongside "pilots considering operating IFR in class G airspace shall contact Airservices by telephone" and "prior to operating in the TRA, pilots must obtain a briefing on contingency procedures from Airservices".

Sometimes TIBA procedures are in force, sometimes not. Times vary from 40 minute periods to 6 hours stretches. Amongst others, Darwin, Gold Coast, Cairns, Ballina and Brisbane Centre were affected. A "helpful" contingency map address is put in the NOTAMs to alleviate any fears /s www.airservicesaustralia.com/notammaps/index.asp One NOTAM listed no fewer than 75 air routes affected by the outage.

I'm not sure what pilots are supposed to make of this fruit salad of airspace and procedures. I wonder if airlines can expect a reduction in enroute and navigation charges seeing as limited to no services are being provided.
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Old 13th May 2023, 08:37
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In response to the OP

What are CASA doing to address this issue from a safety management perspective
Absolutely nothing.

There’s going to be a big prang (not necessarily two aircraft, perhaps aircraft and terrain) as a result of the normalisation of deviance WRT TIBA airspace.

Make no mistake about it - they’re burying their heads in the sand and it will cost lives.

The ATSB report is going to show CASA and ASA to have blood on their hands.

If I was Chief Pilot of an Australian airline I’d be banning flight through TIBA immediately.

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Old 13th May 2023, 10:07
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
Overnight/yesterday there were a raft of Head Office NOTAMs advising of various closures and operating restrictions due to Airservices. Restrictions ranged from "relevant approval from operating authority" and "access authority" required to "limited SIS provided" and "expect delay for clearance" alongside "pilots considering operating IFR in class G airspace shall contact Airservices by telephone" and "prior to operating in the TRA, pilots must obtain a briefing on contingency procedures from Airservices".

Sometimes TIBA procedures are in force, sometimes not. Times vary from 40 minute periods to 6 hours stretches. Amongst others, Darwin, Gold Coast, Cairns, Ballina and Brisbane Centre were affected. A "helpful" contingency map address is put in the NOTAMs to alleviate any fears /s www.airservicesaustralia.com/notammaps/index.asp One NOTAM listed no fewer than 75 air routes affected by the outage.

I'm not sure what pilots are supposed to make of this fruit salad of airspace and procedures. I wonder if airlines can expect a reduction in enroute and navigation charges seeing as limited to no services are being provided.
I hear ya! Leaving OOL one Saturday last month I phoned dispatch, nobody had any idea what INVERELL AIRSPACE was. I wanted a map. Google was my friend…. buried in the depths of the AirServices (oxymoron) website was a map. Even the third world isn’t this bad…
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Old 13th May 2023, 11:38
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What are you lot complaining about? The best part of my day is when Gold Coast tower takes a break, movements triple when they're not there.
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Old 13th May 2023, 23:46
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What are you lot complaining about? The best part of my day is when Gold Coast tower takes a break, movements triple when they're not there.
Are you the tower controller at GC?
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Old 14th May 2023, 07:25
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Are you the tower controller at GC?
I'm the cleaner.
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Old 28th May 2023, 02:34
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Originally Posted by Slippery_Pete

The ATSB report is going to show CASA and ASA to have blood on their hands.
Doubt it. They will frame it as the PIC ultimately failed in following procedures. Realistically CASA and ASA have failed everyone. Airline Management play a part also, all are well aware and continue to roll the dice. I raised the point the other year and nobody was interested.

If you forecast a messy arrival due to whatever reason, simply hold or divert until you are comfortable. Don’t just continue on because that’s what we are normally use to with ATC squeezing us all in. If you need to hold for 15 mins while a circuit sorts itself out then so be it. If people are not talking and you are questioning everything, then divert. If someone is departing against the circuit while you are late in an approach, then I’d be mindful continuing on.

We had fun with one of those OOL arrivals last year. Last in the queue, four ahead. Viz was poor. Qantas and Rex trying to maintain separation but seemed to just confuse each other. Virgin was probably a tad too fast behind. Then a caravan just randomly appeared out of nowhere. We held for 15 minutes while everyone sorted themselves out. It wasn’t great and that airport shouldn’t be unmanned.
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Old 28th May 2023, 03:45
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. It wasn’t great and that airport shouldn’t be unmanned
What is really shocking and for the “journalists” reading there is a story in this, some parts of the world will not permit RPT without ATC.

Of course as a developing country we cannot expect too much here in Australia. We have not yet discovered passenger delay payments and a guarantee of getting an actual flight. Very soon the lights will go out as well.

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