Separation issue involving Boeing 737, VH-VXH, and Airbus A320, VH-VGV, near Darwin

[tossbag]

Rightio then, when was the last time there was successful pilot industrial action taken?

2021
2022
2023

​​​​​​​In the US, where pilot unions have nuts.

[Lookleft]

Apologies tossbag I mistook you for someone who was relevant to the discussion.

[MickG0105]

Originally Posted by missy

...
According to Wikipedia "FLTCDR" doesn't exist! RAAF Ranks.

Flight Commander (FLTCDR) is not a rank, it is a position title. 452 Squadron is made up of a number of Flights (one each for Darwin, Tindal, Townsville and Oakey), each Flight is headed up by a FLTCDR.

[tossbag]

Apologies tossbag I mistook you for someone who was relevant to the discussion.

That's a mighty comeback lefty, took me a few days and I still can't come up with anything.....................​​​​​​​

[Lookleft]

All good tossbag, it took me a few days to think of it! Glad you enjoyed it. Nice to to see some sportsmanship on pprune. Keep the blue side up.

[missy]

Originally Posted by missy

Perhaps this FLTCDR is the same person who authorised the TRA, and the very same person who will assist ATSB with their investigation into the "occurrence".

My bad. Perhaps this FLTCDR is the same person position who authorised the TRA, and the very same person position who will assist ATSB with their investigation into the "occurrence".

[Capn Bloggs]

Was the FLTCDR a WGCDR?

[MickG0105]

Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs

Was the FLTCDR a WGCDR?

The FLTCDR would be a SQNLDR.

[Gne]

Bloggs,

How soon you forget: Flights are commanded by SQNLDRs, Squadrons by WGCDRs and Wings by GPCAPTs.

Gne

[Lookleft]

And ATC is commanded by Oompaloompas.

[missy]

B18/23
ATS SUBJECT TO CONTINGENCY DUE TO OPR RESTRICTIONS
AD CTL SER NOT AVBL. AERODROME FLIGHT INFORMATION AND SAR SERVICE
PROVIDED BY DARWIN FLIGHTWATCH ON 133.1MHZ.

PRIOR TO OPERATING ON THE MANOEUVRING AREA OPERATORS MUST CONTACT
DARWIN FLIGHTWATCH BY TEL ON 618 7929 4816 OR ON FREQ 133.1MHZ FOR
ACCESS AUTHORITY TO THE AD AND ASSOCIATED TRA. SEPARATE YBBB NOTAM
REFERS

MANDATORY BROADCAST PROCEDURES DETAILED IN AIP ENR 1.1 SECTION 12
APPLY ON 133.1MHZ. DEP IFR ACFT CTC BN CEN 118.15MHZ WITH TAXI CALL.
TCAS AND TRANSPONDER EQPT MUST BE SELECTED ON AT ALL TIMES.

PILOTS-IN-COMMAND AND AD OPERATORS ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR
COLLISION AVOIDANCE ON THE AD.

AD WX INFO AVBL ON ATIS FREQ 128.25MHZ. AD FREQ RESPONSE UNIT (AFRU)
AVBL ON FREQ 133.1MHZ. FIRE AND RESCUE WILL MNT FREQ 133.1MHZ FOR
ACFT REQUIRING EMERG SERVICES AND CAN BE CONTACTED BY TEL ON 618 8920
4810.
FROM 05 221230 TO 08 182030
DAILY 1230/2030

Extended by 3 months.

[Gentle_flyer]

Wot’s the problem? No one has died…yet.

And even if they did, nothing would change…

MNG proves that, why have air traffic control at all in Australia?

Cancel OneSky, nothing new anyway… after 15 years of planning nothing.!!

Just put in AI and a call centre in Bangalore…

Hey, it might upset the frogs…but this could be the crowning glory for Albo and his relationship with Modi, … bewdiful

[Global Aviator]

Was it a TIBA the other night when the SQ A380 dropped in?

Must admit haven’t read up on what the procedures actually call for as I don’t fly down this way. Does it become like a CTAF with no clear to land etc? Yes very basic question!

I know it shouldn’t effect professional pilots but a crew used to controlled airspace 99.99% of the time it would become interesting.

[PoppaJo]

Originally Posted by Global Aviator

Was it a TIBA the other night when the SQ A380 dropped in?

I would be interested to hear an answer to that.

I have seen in the past, when something similar happens, ATC suddenly appear and provide a normal service to the said international movement.

[Global Aviator]

The answer is -

Controllers stayed on duty for the 380.

🤷🏽‍♂️

[Gentle_flyer]

Well, if it wan’t such a big farce before it is now.

Australian Aviation is having the piss taken out of it by the RAAF and CASA….

And we just let it happen …. Says a lot about the real Australia …

Just give the contract to Landbridge!

[missy]

B19/23 REVIEW B18/23
ATS SUBJECT TO CONTINGENCY DUE TO OPR RESTRICTIONS
AD CTL SER NOT AVBL. AERODROME FLIGHT INFORMATION AND SAR SERVICE
PROVIDED BY DARWIN FLIGHTWATCH ON 133.1MHZ.

PRIOR TO OPERATING ON THE MANOEUVRING AREA OPERATORS MUST CONTACT
DARWIN FLIGHTWATCH BY TEL ON 618 7929 4816 OR ON FREQ 133.1MHZ FOR
ACCESS AUTHORITY TO THE AD AND ASSOCIATED TRA. SEPARATE YBBB NOTAM REFERS

MANDATORY BROADCAST PROCEDURES DETAILED IN AIP ENR 1.1 SECTION 12
APPLY ON 133.1MHZ. DEP IFR ACFT CTC BN CEN 118.15MHZ WITH TAXI CALL.
TCAS AND TRANSPONDER EQPT MUST BE SELECTED ON AT ALL TIMES.

PILOTS-IN-COMMAND AND AD OPERATORS ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR
COLLISION AVOIDANCE ON THE AD.

AD WX INFO AVBL ON ATIS FREQ 128.25MHZ. AD FREQ RESPONSE UNIT (AFRU)
AVBL ON FREQ 133.1MHZ. FIRE AND RESCUE WILL MNT FREQ 133.1MHZ FOR
ACFT REQUIRING EMERG SERVICES AND CAN BE CONTACTED BY
TEL ON 618 8920 4810.
FROM 06 070352 TO 06 141600
DAILY 1230/2030

ATIS YPDN Z 081232
TEMPO RESTRICTED AREA ACT 8500FT AND BELOW
ATS NOT AVBL
MBZ PROC APPLY WITHIN TEMPO RESTRICTED AREA ON FREQ 133.1
DARWIN FLIGHTWATCH AND AFRU AVBL ON FREQ 133.1
PREFERRED RWY 11
INFO AVBL ON NOTAM B0018/23

Seems like DN ATC are living in the past!

[sunnySA]

Originally Posted by missy

Seems like DN ATC are living in the past!

Seems like some good news, a reduction in the duration of the NOTAM, from August 182030 to June 141600.

[Lead Balloon]

Maybe it's June 2024...

[sunnySA]

Originally Posted by Lead Balloon

Maybe it's June 2024...

Perhaps someone has returned from a secondment, or extended sick leave, or someone has been or will be endorsed.
Mind you the 1600 UTC timing is interesting. The middle of a night shift, very odd. Perhaps there is a planned VIP arrival? Defence moves in mysteriously ways.