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Old 4th Apr 2023, 02:44
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Don't forget that this judgement will be appealed by the airlines and we all know that they will throw buckets of money at a legal case if the original judgement will affect their bottom line. The sacked rampies won a legal victory but at the end of the day they have not been reinstated. The letter that was sent out contained a clear message that you can ask to be taken off the roster but that your request is unlikely to be approved.
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Old 4th Apr 2023, 07:06
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Airlines can’t appeal it as such, they’re not party to the proceedings. There would have to be some sort of ‘new’ proceeding or application to the Court. Going to be interesting.
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Old 4th Apr 2023, 07:35
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
Don't forget that this judgement will be appealed by the airlines and we all know that they will throw buckets of money at a legal case if the original judgement will affect their bottom line. The sacked rampies won a legal victory but at the end of the day they have not been reinstated. The letter that was sent out contained a clear message that you can ask to be taken off the roster but that your request is unlikely to be approved.
And judges just love to have to overturn their own decisions. The rea$on$ would have to be extremely compelling.
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Old 4th Apr 2023, 08:02
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I just rejected my unpaid three day reserve over the weekend because:unpaid. Also…essential service? There are plenty of airlines, and plenty of precedent for ignoring the alleged essential nature of the service when it suits management due to lock out employees for the flimsiest of reasons.
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Old 4th Apr 2023, 12:07
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I just rejected my unpaid three day reserve over the weekend because:unpaid. Also…essential service? There are plenty of airlines, and plenty of precedent for ignoring the alleged essential nature of the service when it suits management due to lock out employees for the flimsiest of reasons.
Ha good one. Report back with the result.
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Old 5th Apr 2023, 01:34
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Allocation of rosters is actually moving towards more equitable and fair systems, not too many existing companies/fleets are operating off purely seniority based rostering anymore.
Your declaration of what is "more equitable and fair" is a great example of The Donald's infamous but accurately identified "fake news" style of commentary because the concept of what is more equitable and fair in this context is a subjective one, although I guess you knew that and made your statement anyway.

Some people seem to think it was fair and equitable that those who did their time at the bottom of the list get to enjoy their time at the top and that system seemed to work well for a long time.

I suppose a pilot (especially a Gen Me pilot) joining today would be very happy to see the flying spread evenly but for many people when it comes to rosters, as with many things in life, with age comes conservatism. I know a guy who was #1 on the list and when he retired after 50 years of flying his last flight was aguably the ****tiest in the schedule and he told me it was one of the greatest disappointments of his career. I think he would disagree with this new system.
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Old 5th Apr 2023, 02:11
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Well, if that’s one of his greatest disappointments in a 50 year career he had it pretty Fkn good.

Cry me a river.
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Old 5th Apr 2023, 02:12
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Originally Posted by Eclan

Some people seem to think it was fair and equitable that those who did their time at the bottom of the list get to enjoy their time at the top and that system seemed to work well for a long time.
Except promotion and progression has never been constant and linear. Therefore those who would be stuck at the bottom for a long time in a downturn would be taking an unequal share of the burden.

I suppose a pilot (especially a Gen Me pilot) joining today would be very happy to see the flying spread evenly but for many people when it comes to rosters, as with many things in life, with age comes conservatism. I know a guy who was #1 on the list and when he retired after 50 years of flying his last flight was aguably the ****tiest in the schedule and he told me it was one of the greatest disappointments of his career. I think he would disagree with this new system.
This may sound callous but who cares? He should be grateful for the opportunity to enjoy a long career. From some points of view it isn’t the pilots of today who are “Gen Me”, trust me older generations have no problem making their primary goal the enrich of themselves at everyone else’s expense.

There is momentum to move to more equitable rostering systems in places which don’t have it, but you won’t find any push to return to a pure seniority based rostering system where it doesn’t exist. It’s dying out for a reason, it’s unfair and creates unnecessary pain and burden for some for extended periods of time.


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Old 5th Apr 2023, 03:33
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Gen Me, as opposed to FYIGM Generation. Wouldn't it make sense to pay holiday rates as a compromise?
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Old 5th Apr 2023, 05:51
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Talking

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Why the hate towards hour pigs?
Exactly. They free up what little spare time and shorter days for the rest of us.

At least that's how we would like it to work?
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Old 5th Apr 2023, 13:49
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Exactly. They free up what little spare time and shorter days for the rest of us.

At least that's how we would like it to work?
because some were still pigs when their colleagues were stood down. Could have not volunteered and made the company stand more pilots up.

because when the time comes where we take PIA, or whatever, the pigs will still be the pigs

because the pigs are often the loudest whingers, yet bend over backwards to help the company out.

that’s why.
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Old 5th Apr 2023, 13:51
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Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34
Exactly. They free up what little spare time and shorter days for the rest of us.

At least that's how we would like it to work?
Yeah, that’s one way to look at it. Let them pig out. If they have the time to make bank let them while those who don’t care get more time at home with family. As long as it’s not at that pathetic industry undercutting $360/day Network rate.
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Old 11th Apr 2023, 03:10
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So, did anyone who didn't already have leave ask for the public holidays off? Were you successful or if you were denied, what is your company's justification?
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