QF Freight A332’s
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QF Freight A332’s
Was reading yesterday that before heading off the DRS for conversion EBE undertook some training flights on the East coast with EFA/AAE crew.
Is it safe to assume the Express Freighters guys that currently fly the 3 A321P2F’s will also fly EBE and EBF?
Also does anyone know what the plan is for the sole 763F once EBF arrives back in August?
Is it safe to assume the Express Freighters guys that currently fly the 3 A321P2F’s will also fly EBE and EBF?
Also does anyone know what the plan is for the sole 763F once EBF arrives back in August?
I’ve heard it’ll initially only be management pilots at EFA flying the big bus.
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As for the 767 they’re still doing commands on it.
My guess is, considering Q Group is re-active not proactive, they’ve realised during Covid that freight makes a hell of a lot of money which is how they can justify pulling two a330s out of passenger service when they need them most. They’re incredibly short on frames, are regretting scrapping two a380s and would benefit from having a few 744s in service as the fleets cannot keep up with demand thanks to management buying only 14 game changers in the last 15 years while all the money making international routes are serviced by foreign carriers.
So yeah, the 767 will stick around for some time.
My guess is, considering Q Group is re-active not proactive, they’ve realised during Covid that freight makes a hell of a lot of money which is how they can justify pulling two a330s out of passenger service when they need them most. They’re incredibly short on frames, are regretting scrapping two a380s and would benefit from having a few 744s in service as the fleets cannot keep up with demand thanks to management buying only 14 game changers in the last 15 years while all the money making international routes are serviced by foreign carriers.
So yeah, the 767 will stick around for some time.
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As for the 767 they’re still doing commands on it.
My guess is, considering Q Group is re-active not proactive, they’ve realised during Covid that freight makes a hell of a lot of money which is how they can justify pulling two a330s out of passenger service when they need them most. They’re incredibly short on frames, are regretting scrapping two a380s and would benefit from having a few 744s in service as the fleets cannot keep up with demand thanks to management buying only 14 game changers in the last 15 years while all the money making international routes are serviced by foreign carriers.
So yeah, the 767 will stick around for some time.
My guess is, considering Q Group is re-active not proactive, they’ve realised during Covid that freight makes a hell of a lot of money which is how they can justify pulling two a330s out of passenger service when they need them most. They’re incredibly short on frames, are regretting scrapping two a380s and would benefit from having a few 744s in service as the fleets cannot keep up with demand thanks to management buying only 14 game changers in the last 15 years while all the money making international routes are serviced by foreign carriers.
So yeah, the 767 will stick around for some time.
I think a lot of us share your sentiments, how they can still have 2 A332’s parked in BNE which have both been there for the best part of 3 years definitely defies logic. I’ve said this before but the A330’s are the most versatile aircraft in the QF fleet…non stop to India and LAX with the ability to haul impressive amounts of freight across the ditch.
I’ll never understand why they are so reluctant to lease airframes to enable network growth, there’s plenty of decent metal and carbon parked around the world looking for new homes, so many airlines have capitalised on opportunistic acquisitions but QF remain bobbing in the water like an armless man, trying to blame everyone else…. those 3 delayed 789’s are a prime example, the amount of network growth touted once they are delivered mid year is astounding, new destinations/routes blah blah.
Read the other day when the A321NEO’s start arriving there is going to be split domestic and international fleets, so straight away you loose that fleet commonality and the ability to rotate aircraft seamlessly around the network, yet another missed opportunity.
As for the 767 they’re still doing commands on it.
My guess is, considering Q Group is re-active not proactive, they’ve realised during Covid that freight makes a hell of a lot of money which is how they can justify pulling two a330s out of passenger service when they need them most. They’re incredibly short on frames, are regretting scrapping two a380s and would benefit from having a few 744s in service as the fleets cannot keep up with demand thanks to management buying only 14 game changers in the last 15 years while all the money making international routes are serviced by foreign carriers.
So yeah, the 767 will stick around for some time.
My guess is, considering Q Group is re-active not proactive, they’ve realised during Covid that freight makes a hell of a lot of money which is how they can justify pulling two a330s out of passenger service when they need them most. They’re incredibly short on frames, are regretting scrapping two a380s and would benefit from having a few 744s in service as the fleets cannot keep up with demand thanks to management buying only 14 game changers in the last 15 years while all the money making international routes are serviced by foreign carriers.
So yeah, the 767 will stick around for some time.
Yeah freight went up 5 fold, yeah?
Where's it at now?
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Cheers soseg 100%,
I think a lot of us share your sentiments, how they can still have 2 A332’s parked in BNE which have both been there for the best part of 3 years definitely defies logic. I’ve said this before but the A330’s are the most versatile aircraft in the QF fleet…non stop to India and LAX with the ability to haul impressive amounts of freight across the ditch.
I’ll never understand why they are so reluctant to lease airframes to enable network growth, there’s plenty of decent metal and carbon parked around the world looking for new homes, so many airlines have capitalised on opportunistic acquisitions but QF remain bobbing in the water like an armless man, trying to blame everyone else…. those 3 delayed 789’s are a prime example, the amount of network growth touted once they are delivered mid year is astounding, new destinations/routes blah blah.
Read the other day when the A321NEO’s start arriving there is going to be split domestic and international fleets, so straight away you loose that fleet commonality and the ability to rotate aircraft seamlessly around the network, yet another missed opportunity.
I think a lot of us share your sentiments, how they can still have 2 A332’s parked in BNE which have both been there for the best part of 3 years definitely defies logic. I’ve said this before but the A330’s are the most versatile aircraft in the QF fleet…non stop to India and LAX with the ability to haul impressive amounts of freight across the ditch.
I’ll never understand why they are so reluctant to lease airframes to enable network growth, there’s plenty of decent metal and carbon parked around the world looking for new homes, so many airlines have capitalised on opportunistic acquisitions but QF remain bobbing in the water like an armless man, trying to blame everyone else…. those 3 delayed 789’s are a prime example, the amount of network growth touted once they are delivered mid year is astounding, new destinations/routes blah blah.
Read the other day when the A321NEO’s start arriving there is going to be split domestic and international fleets, so straight away you loose that fleet commonality and the ability to rotate aircraft seamlessly around the network, yet another missed opportunity.
Just an fyi, Jetstar have 2 v A321NXs already operational, I had VH-OFP parked near me in SYD yesterday and VH-OFQ is operating East Coast also.
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As for the 767 they’re still doing commands on it.
They’re incredibly short on frames, are regretting scrapping two a380s and would benefit from having a few 744s in service as the fleets cannot keep up with demand thanks to management buying only 14 game changers in the last 15 years while all the money making international routes are serviced by foreign carriers.
They’re incredibly short on frames, are regretting scrapping two a380s and would benefit from having a few 744s in service as the fleets cannot keep up with demand thanks to management buying only 14 game changers in the last 15 years while all the money making international routes are serviced by foreign carriers.
Cheers soseg 100%,
I think a lot of us share your sentiments, how they can still have 2 A332’s parked in BNE which have both been there for the best part of 3 years definitely defies logic. I’ve said this before but the A330’s are the most versatile aircraft in the QF fleet…non stop to India and LAX with the ability to haul impressive amounts of freight across the ditch.
I’ll never understand why they are so reluctant to lease airframes to enable network growth, there’s plenty of decent metal and carbon parked around the world looking for new homes, so many airlines have capitalised on opportunistic acquisitions but QF remain bobbing in the water like an armless man, trying to blame everyone else…. those 3 delayed 789’s are a prime example, the amount of network growth touted once they are delivered mid year is astounding, new destinations/routes blah blah.
Read the other day when the A321NEO’s start arriving there is going to be split domestic and international fleets, so straight away you loose that fleet commonality and the ability to rotate aircraft seamlessly around the network, yet another missed opportunity.
I think a lot of us share your sentiments, how they can still have 2 A332’s parked in BNE which have both been there for the best part of 3 years definitely defies logic. I’ve said this before but the A330’s are the most versatile aircraft in the QF fleet…non stop to India and LAX with the ability to haul impressive amounts of freight across the ditch.
I’ll never understand why they are so reluctant to lease airframes to enable network growth, there’s plenty of decent metal and carbon parked around the world looking for new homes, so many airlines have capitalised on opportunistic acquisitions but QF remain bobbing in the water like an armless man, trying to blame everyone else…. those 3 delayed 789’s are a prime example, the amount of network growth touted once they are delivered mid year is astounding, new destinations/routes blah blah.
Read the other day when the A321NEO’s start arriving there is going to be split domestic and international fleets, so straight away you loose that fleet commonality and the ability to rotate aircraft seamlessly around the network, yet another missed opportunity.
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As for the 767 they’re still doing commands on it.
My guess is, considering Q Group is re-active not proactive, they’ve realised during Covid that freight makes a hell of a lot of money which is how they can justify pulling two a330s out of passenger service when they need them most. They’re incredibly short on frames, are regretting scrapping two a380s and would benefit from having a few 744s in service as the fleets cannot keep up with demand thanks to management buying only 14 game changers in the last 15 years while all the money making international routes are serviced by foreign carriers.
So yeah, the 767 will stick around for some time.
My guess is, considering Q Group is re-active not proactive, they’ve realised during Covid that freight makes a hell of a lot of money which is how they can justify pulling two a330s out of passenger service when they need them most. They’re incredibly short on frames, are regretting scrapping two a380s and would benefit from having a few 744s in service as the fleets cannot keep up with demand thanks to management buying only 14 game changers in the last 15 years while all the money making international routes are serviced by foreign carriers.
So yeah, the 767 will stick around for some time.
Looking back it probably wasn’t the best decision, but everything in hindsight.
Almost every Asian legacy carrier has substantial freighter fleets. It’s just another example a the current QF management shortsightedness, just like it’s failure to order more 787s.
Freight makes money, but it’s not glamorous. AJ only like the latter…..
Makes you wonder how these people got into a position of power, doesn't it?
It also astonishes me how they can do that. There's literally is no excuse at all. As a result of their almost criminal-like negligence, EBD is now apparently very corroded internally. Management just don't want to spend the money at all (particularly leasing as we've seen) and are willing to sacrifice service opportunities.
It also astonishes me how they can do that. There's literally is no excuse at all. As a result of their almost criminal-like negligence, EBD is now apparently very corroded internally. Management just don't want to spend the money at all (particularly leasing as we've seen) and are willing to sacrifice service opportunities.
Slowly being the key word there..
The question then becomes - will his replacement be forced to spend money and invest in growing the company or sit tight another twenty years trying to make it all look nice on paper?
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Cheers soseg 100%,
I think a lot of us share your sentiments, how they can still have 2 A332’s parked in BNE which have both been there for the best part of 3 years definitely defies logic. I’ve said this before but the A330’s are the most versatile aircraft in the QF fleet…non stop to India and LAX with the ability to haul impressive amounts of freight across the ditch.
I’ll never understand why they are so reluctant to lease airframes to enable network growth, there’s plenty of decent metal and carbon parked around the world looking for new homes, so many airlines have capitalised on opportunistic acquisitions but QF remain bobbing in the water like an armless man, trying to blame everyone else…. those 3 delayed 789’s are a prime example, the amount of network growth touted once they are delivered mid year is astounding, new destinations/routes blah blah.
Read the other day when the A321NEO’s start arriving there is going to be split domestic and international fleets, so straight away you loose that fleet commonality and the ability to rotate aircraft seamlessly around the network, yet another missed opportunity.
I think a lot of us share your sentiments, how they can still have 2 A332’s parked in BNE which have both been there for the best part of 3 years definitely defies logic. I’ve said this before but the A330’s are the most versatile aircraft in the QF fleet…non stop to India and LAX with the ability to haul impressive amounts of freight across the ditch.
I’ll never understand why they are so reluctant to lease airframes to enable network growth, there’s plenty of decent metal and carbon parked around the world looking for new homes, so many airlines have capitalised on opportunistic acquisitions but QF remain bobbing in the water like an armless man, trying to blame everyone else…. those 3 delayed 789’s are a prime example, the amount of network growth touted once they are delivered mid year is astounding, new destinations/routes blah blah.
Read the other day when the A321NEO’s start arriving there is going to be split domestic and international fleets, so straight away you loose that fleet commonality and the ability to rotate aircraft seamlessly around the network, yet another missed opportunity.
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If history is anything to go by, it will probably be the latter.
Cheers soseg 100%,
I think a lot of us share your sentiments, how they can still have 2 A332’s parked in BNE which have both been there for the best part of 3 years definitely defies logic. I’ve said this before but the A330’s are the most versatile aircraft in the QF fleet…non stop to India and LAX with the ability to haul impressive amounts of freight across the ditch.
I’ll never understand why they are so reluctant to lease airframes to enable network growth, there’s plenty of decent metal and carbon parked around the world looking for new homes, so many airlines have capitalised on opportunistic acquisitions but QF remain bobbing in the water like an armless man, trying to blame everyone else…. those 3 delayed 789’s are a prime example, the amount of network growth touted once they are delivered mid year is astounding, new destinations/routes blah blah.
Read the other day when the A321NEO’s start arriving there is going to be split domestic and international fleets, so straight away you loose that fleet commonality and the ability to rotate aircraft seamlessly around the network, yet another missed opportunity.
I think a lot of us share your sentiments, how they can still have 2 A332’s parked in BNE which have both been there for the best part of 3 years definitely defies logic. I’ve said this before but the A330’s are the most versatile aircraft in the QF fleet…non stop to India and LAX with the ability to haul impressive amounts of freight across the ditch.
I’ll never understand why they are so reluctant to lease airframes to enable network growth, there’s plenty of decent metal and carbon parked around the world looking for new homes, so many airlines have capitalised on opportunistic acquisitions but QF remain bobbing in the water like an armless man, trying to blame everyone else…. those 3 delayed 789’s are a prime example, the amount of network growth touted once they are delivered mid year is astounding, new destinations/routes blah blah.
Read the other day when the A321NEO’s start arriving there is going to be split domestic and international fleets, so straight away you loose that fleet commonality and the ability to rotate aircraft seamlessly around the network, yet another missed opportunity.
Remarkable when you look at early 90s and how quickly QF standardised on a basically 737/767/747 fleet.
Eventually maybe less capable versions of the A350 could replace the 787s.
Agree though with some on here, keeping the 747-438ERs would have been a good move. If they found they had too many they could have converted some of them to ERFs.
Last edited by AerialPerspective; 13th Feb 2023 at 03:54. Reason: added
In another irony….
Qantas has had A330s for approaching 25 years now. QF pilots have flown passengers, freight (esp during Covid), international & domestic for the whole time, and yet QF have twice shifted some of the profitable & efficient type to ‘other entities’ while:
- paying for more management under different AOCs (JQ International start-up & now EFA),
- training new pilots onto A330,
- making QF pilots less efficient/productive, &
- cynically feigning ignorance of why some feel disrespected.🙄
- paying for more management under different AOCs (JQ International start-up & now EFA),
- training new pilots onto A330,
- making QF pilots less efficient/productive, &
- cynically feigning ignorance of why some feel disrespected.🙄
Qantas has had A330s for approaching 25 years now. QF pilots have flown passengers, freight (esp during Covid), international & domestic for the whole time, and yet QF have twice shifted some of the profitable & efficient type to ‘other entities’ while:
- paying for more management under different AOCs (JQ International start-up & now EFA),
- training new pilots onto A330,
- making QF pilots less efficient/productive, &
- cynically feigning ignorance of why some feel disrespected.🙄
- paying for more management under different AOCs (JQ International start-up & now EFA),
- training new pilots onto A330,
- making QF pilots less efficient/productive, &
- cynically feigning ignorance of why some feel disrespected.🙄
I remember back when I was there, we had something called a Staff Suggestion Scheme. People suggested changes/innovations and they were actually reviewed, passed by the leadership of the relevant department and quite often adopted. When adopted, the employee received a monetary reward which was based on something like a percentage of the perceived saving per annum - I know because I made a suggestion once and got $100 cheque and a letter from Senior Management for my suggestion.
Maybe I'm old fashioned but that system worked and when you got a suggestion accepted, it made you feel valued and as though you were a contributor to the big breathing entity that we all laboured for, with pleasure mostly. Silly, silly us, how did we miss all those years ago that if we'd only let management be filled by 'reach out' and 'going forward' spouting mid-level MBA graduates, how much more efficient it would be.
I would argue that Qantas was FAR more efficient before all of this. Money wasn't thrown around willy-nilly on BS and over a 20 or so year period where the government put ZERO in capital into Qantas, it not only expanded, but managed to squirrel away $967M in retained profits and that's in late 70s/early 80s dollars.
Last edited by AerialPerspective; 13th Feb 2023 at 04:14. Reason: sp
I would argue that Qantas was FAR more efficient before all of this