Jetstar excess Fuel YBBN.
'cause its a waste product from then on.
Not sure of JQs policys but Tassie ports I imagine would be tanker sectors - tankering fuel is loaded - last minute boost of pax numbers would have them put them overweight on max landing - choice of pax or baggage. De-fuelling is rare as rocking horse poo these days, as mentioned before it has to be put into another company aircraft, refuelling companies never really keen, unless they stuffed it up in the first place !
On Jan 29 JQ 753 YBBN to Launceston off loaded approx 97 bags as excess fuel was loaded.
Not sure if this was Flight Crew calculation error or Refuller error?
Assume 97 bags at 20 kg = 1,940 kg.
Jet Fuel at 0.8 kg/L means 1,940 x 0.8 = 2,425L approx of excess fuel.
Is it possible for a A320-200 to have excess fuel removed?
Aircraft was fully loaded with passengers as Virgin had cancelled flights to Hobart and YMLT a few hours earlier.
On arrival at YMLT at 2130 passengers were advised by Ground Staff that only 14 bags had travelled on flight.
Needless to say there were now over 100 very unhappy customers,who if they had been advised in Brisbane would have had time to
consider the implications of not having their bag on arrival.
Approx 63 bags were delivered the next day and 34 bags were delivered another day later ie 2 days later.
I wonder what procedures Jetstar are putting in place to prevent this happening again?
Not sure if this was Flight Crew calculation error or Refuller error?
Assume 97 bags at 20 kg = 1,940 kg.
Jet Fuel at 0.8 kg/L means 1,940 x 0.8 = 2,425L approx of excess fuel.
Is it possible for a A320-200 to have excess fuel removed?
Aircraft was fully loaded with passengers as Virgin had cancelled flights to Hobart and YMLT a few hours earlier.
On arrival at YMLT at 2130 passengers were advised by Ground Staff that only 14 bags had travelled on flight.
Needless to say there were now over 100 very unhappy customers,who if they had been advised in Brisbane would have had time to
consider the implications of not having their bag on arrival.
Approx 63 bags were delivered the next day and 34 bags were delivered another day later ie 2 days later.
I wonder what procedures Jetstar are putting in place to prevent this happening again?
At the risk of going OT (again), this reminds me of a famous Ansett episode from many years ago.
The B737 was to operated Nadi - Port Vila - Brisbane. The captain, who remains a good friend of mine, was one of those unfortunate people that, if something bad was to happen, it would happen to him. The FO was one of Ansett's first woman pilots whom I also liked/admired greatly.
On arrival at Port Vila the captain went into the terminal building to complete the paperwork while the FO, who was supposed to be supervising the refuelling (no engineer there), was distracted by the press coverage that she was receiving. The fueller meanwhile just kept on going until the tanks were full!
The aircraft was now hopelessly overweight. Off course there were no facilities to de-fuel. The solution was certainly both novel and original. A delayed flight PA was made in the terminal, the captain boarded most of the ground staff and took them for an hour's low-level sight-seeing trip around the islands in order to burn off the excess fuel.
The result: a delayed flight, ground staff morale greatly improved while management were not best pleased (an understatement)!
The B737 was to operated Nadi - Port Vila - Brisbane. The captain, who remains a good friend of mine, was one of those unfortunate people that, if something bad was to happen, it would happen to him. The FO was one of Ansett's first woman pilots whom I also liked/admired greatly.
On arrival at Port Vila the captain went into the terminal building to complete the paperwork while the FO, who was supposed to be supervising the refuelling (no engineer there), was distracted by the press coverage that she was receiving. The fueller meanwhile just kept on going until the tanks were full!
The aircraft was now hopelessly overweight. Off course there were no facilities to de-fuel. The solution was certainly both novel and original. A delayed flight PA was made in the terminal, the captain boarded most of the ground staff and took them for an hour's low-level sight-seeing trip around the islands in order to burn off the excess fuel.
The result: a delayed flight, ground staff morale greatly improved while management were not best pleased (an understatement)!
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I was on a Qantas flight, LAX to Melbourne, 747-300. Captain loaded everyone, started the taxy and said, we loaded a bit too much fuel, don't be alarmed but we're going to run it up for a few minutes and burn the extra off. It was awesome, lots of noise and rattling and shaking.
Early 1990's on the international ramp at YMML I observed fuel venting from both wingtips of an Air Lanka L1011 TriStar. Nobody around the aircraft seemed the slightest bit concerned. Later found out that it was standard practice in an effort to get max fuel onboard for the flight to Colombo.
At one time the airline where I worked operated a flight from Bahrain to Riyadh and then to Hong Kong. The standard practice was to tanker as much fuel as possible out of Bahrain and plan to land at MLW in Riyadh. One night we received an estimate of the ZFW that seemed quite low, but after being told that it was correct we did the usual thing and bunged on the fuel, less a bit to cater for last minute changes. All well and good, except that when we received the final ZFW it was WELL over the original estimate. Oops! Fortunately, the engineers managed to find an empty tanker fairly quickly, but we nevertheless incurred a delay of several hours to de-fuel the aircraft.
I observed fuel venting from both wingtips of an Air Lanka L1011 TriStar.
One poor refueler, at Mt Isa I think it was found out the hard way that the oleos can compress suddenly and without warning when they did so onto his portable ladder, leaving a not-insignificant dent in the lower leading edge of one of our B200's under the boot.
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I may have said this before, but given it's story time:
Once upon a time I was sitting in an office at an aerodrome watching a RAAF Caribou come in. They taxied to the fuelling area and I then went about my business, given this was somewhat less interesting than 'rating' other people's landings.
A little while later a chap pounded up the stairs and poked his head in the office, asking "do you have de-fuelling facilities for 3000l of AVGAS here?". Specifically, at that very moment, the answer was 'no', however I thought it politic to ask 'why?'.
It turned out they'd had a high-g event which knocked out a fuel pump. After all this time it's a bit hazy but I had the impression the pump was located at the bottom of a tank, either way they needed to de-fuel the machine, and - most importantly - they weren't allowed to put that fuel back in!
I thought about this for a nanosecond or two and responded to him that I'd just go to our depot and get the requisite equipment and return - wait there young man ;-)
What transpired was a mad dash home to get my transport trailer, over to a place that sold clean 44's, and back to the 'drome ASAP .. the mission was then accomplished to everyone's satisfaction.
Now I couldn't possibly comment about what happened afterwards, but purely as an aside I've got it on good authority that VW Beetle's and other such early machines aren't too picky about what they'll run on ...
FP.
Once upon a time I was sitting in an office at an aerodrome watching a RAAF Caribou come in. They taxied to the fuelling area and I then went about my business, given this was somewhat less interesting than 'rating' other people's landings.
A little while later a chap pounded up the stairs and poked his head in the office, asking "do you have de-fuelling facilities for 3000l of AVGAS here?". Specifically, at that very moment, the answer was 'no', however I thought it politic to ask 'why?'.
It turned out they'd had a high-g event which knocked out a fuel pump. After all this time it's a bit hazy but I had the impression the pump was located at the bottom of a tank, either way they needed to de-fuel the machine, and - most importantly - they weren't allowed to put that fuel back in!
I thought about this for a nanosecond or two and responded to him that I'd just go to our depot and get the requisite equipment and return - wait there young man ;-)
What transpired was a mad dash home to get my transport trailer, over to a place that sold clean 44's, and back to the 'drome ASAP .. the mission was then accomplished to everyone's satisfaction.
Now I couldn't possibly comment about what happened afterwards, but purely as an aside I've got it on good authority that VW Beetle's and other such early machines aren't too picky about what they'll run on ...
FP.
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You'd be absolutely correct there First. Caribou Fuel -" Green " 100-130 Octane, these days SUPER Super! The 38Sqn Mini Moke on Deployments around Western NSW ran on Green (don't tell Transport Section- on paper Moke got about 600 mpg according to the official refill paperwork), used to perform like a Bathurst car but mysteriously somehow burnt through an abnormal amount of valve seats! Narromine to Dubbo for the B&S Ball on a Saturday night comes to mind!!
You hope he reported the refueler to the company. Outstanding. I hope this isn't an indication the industry (and the country even) is becoming a bunch of dobbing, back-stabbing, nanny-state tossers. It'd be a sad indictment.
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One question that hasn't been asked is whether the "excess" was MTOW or MLW. If they were over landing weight, could they have not burned it on route?
becoming a bunch of dobbing, back-stabbing, nanny-state tossers. It'd be a sad indictment.
Australia is a sad reflection on what it thinks it is.
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You hope he reported the refueler to the company. Outstanding. I hope this isn't an indication the industry (and the country even) is becoming a bunch of dobbing, back-stabbing, nanny-state tossers. It'd be a sad indictment.
One question that hasn't been asked is whether the "excess" was MTOW or MLW. If they were over landing weight, could they have not burned it on route?
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You answered your own question, you said the ‘aircraft was full due to a cancelled Virgin flight’. The crew would have worked out the fuel on the flight plan ZFW and were caught out by the extra pax. Yes there are normal processes that could have altered the crew to the change in zfw but that would take communication and a pro-active ground staff both of high are largely missing at the moment. First the pilots would have known about it would have been when the loading paperwork arrived at departure time. **** happens,
