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Old 19th Feb 2023, 07:27
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Gne, I don’t get your frustration. Is it because you have an aversion to subsidiaries or is it because they changed airframes on you?

I hate the way subsidiaries are used (as described above), but I don’t hate subsidiaries themselves. I’ll also never be a QF apologist but they do have the right to change airframes and or BU’s.
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Old 19th Feb 2023, 12:48
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
Southern Australian Airlines was merged into Easterns and ceased to exist. Sunstate and Easterns are still operating pretty much independently under the QLink brand, each has it's own EBA and bases and are played against each other at every EBA negotiation. Apart from Sunstate and Easterns which operate very similarly the other subsidiaries under the QLink brand have almost nothing in common apart from a management using each against the other to hold down conditions.

Management don’t ‘hold down conditions’, pilots accept them.

Don’t blame management if you are too stupid or weak to say no to a crap deal.
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Old 19th Feb 2023, 23:07
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Management don’t ‘hold down conditions’, pilots accept them.

Don’t blame management if you are too stupid or weak to say no to a crap deal.
Easy to say until they constantly hold a gun to your fleets head and say accept this or the other mob gets your work.... There's also the day to day grind where you have to keep up or get replaced. That's why they use subsidiaries, otherwise it would be easier to run it in house with less crossover politics. Only way to stop this crap is what the US pilots did and make sure you have scope clauses that prevent the new players from taking your work/job, but that would mean the company would have to accept that. It requires unity across the pilot groups, something Australia has lacked.
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Old 20th Feb 2023, 01:08
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Management don’t ‘hold down conditions’, pilots accept them.

Don’t blame management if you are too stupid or weak to say no to a crap deal.
That's great if you are prepared to leave the industry but that then begs the question of what is the point of entering it in the first place. Ultimately even if every Australian pilot held out someone from a 3rd world country will just be hired to take your job.
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Old 20th Feb 2023, 08:26
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Originally Posted by Jack D. Ripper
Management don’t ‘hold down conditions’, pilots accept them.

Don’t blame management if you are too stupid or weak to say no to a crap deal.
Did you forget that NAA was approached regarding the a220s if NJS voted it down?

Divide and conquer.

JQ then NJS, NAA, now Alliance is undercutting all of them. Hell, even freight is out sourced to EFA because it’s cheaper than letting mainline do it.
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Old 20th Feb 2023, 08:41
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Apparently there’s a general agreement amongst QF Group Pilots (and I believe Alliance Crew) that if any Pilot agrees to operate an A220 in Australia/NZ at a rate less that what NJS Pilots have agreed to they will be named on a List (Scab List?).

The idea being that this stops QF from playing silly games.
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Old 20th Feb 2023, 08:47
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Apparently there’s a general agreement amongst QF Group Pilots (and I believe Alliance Crew) that if any Pilot agrees to operate an A220 in Australia/NZ at a rate less that what NJS Pilots have agreed to they will be named on a List (Scab List?).

The idea being that this stops QF from playing silly games.
Where did you hear this? First I am hearing of it. Sounds like BS
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Old 22nd Feb 2023, 05:04
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EBT is on the way... " We can all get 1s on day one and still pass " I'd like to see that!
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Old 22nd Feb 2023, 09:02
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Originally Posted by sandsthrudahrglass
EBT is on the way... " We can all get 1s on day one and still pass " I'd like to see that!
LOL….. your new HoTAC might say otherwise.

I hear the swoosh of a standards broom sweeping away in preparation for the new toy.
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Old 1st Mar 2023, 04:04
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Dear BAz,

National Jet Systems was fortunate to receive a large volume of high standard applications for limited opportunities and the process of narrowing down this group of professional and high calibre individuals was challenging.
The National Jet Systems Leadership team have carefully reviewed all applications against the profile required, and the decision was made to not to progress your application on this occasion.

We thank you again for your interest and would like to encourage you to continue to visit our careers page for future opportunities.
Sincerely,

Kind regards,

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Don't know what you guys are on about, high calibre individuals are tripping over themselves to join NJS
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Old 24th Mar 2023, 09:36
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There’s some panic coming out of this outfit recently. Rumours persist of medium and long term crewing issues forecast, to go with the short term issues.

Rumours that some mainline SH FOs have been quietly sounded out about taking A220 DECs on the NJS contract. That is if they want to go backwards in pay and conditions for a LHS gig.

Other rumours of a flow scheme from QLink to NJS (not into the rest of the group).

Today a Town Hall revealed that NJS advertised for foreign DE training captains with 500hrs on A220. They advertised for 28 days on 6 platforms and received 28 applicants, 4 of which met the requirements, none of which have Australian work rights.

So NJS’ plan B is for 10 foreign pilots across both ranks with A220 time to be recruited on visas with a pathway to permanent residency. If that doesn’t work, then they will try to get contract pilots in from overseas.

Is Australia so drained of any management talent that the only options are for visas, cadets (after some time in QLink) or for mainline to rescue them even though that helps to undercut mainline flying?

Surely QF managers aren’t seriously wondering why no one flying A220s in the USA wants to come back to Aus for a 35-50% pay cut?

Please someone tell me I’ve been misinformed!
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Old 24th Mar 2023, 10:35
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Is this the year that “employer of choice” starts to actually mean something?

Pilots voting with their feet.
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Old 24th Mar 2023, 12:55
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Originally Posted by BravoSierraLima
There’s some panic coming out of this outfit recently. Rumours persist of medium and long term crewing issues forecast, to go with the short term issues.

Rumours that some mainline SH FOs have been quietly sounded out about taking A220 DECs on the NJS contract. That is if they want to go backwards in pay and conditions for a LHS gig.

Other rumours of a flow scheme from QLink to NJS (not into the rest of the group).

Today a Town Hall revealed that NJS advertised for foreign DE training captains with 500hrs on A220. They advertised for 28 days on 6 platforms and received 28 applicants, 4 of which met the requirements, none of which have Australian work rights.

So NJS’ plan B is for 10 foreign pilots across both ranks with A220 time to be recruited on visas with a pathway to permanent residency. If that doesn’t work, then they will try to get contract pilots in from overseas.

Is Australia so drained of any management talent that the only options are for visas, cadets (after some time in QLink) or for mainline to rescue them even though that helps to undercut mainline flying?

Surely QF managers aren’t seriously wondering why no one flying A220s in the USA wants to come back to Aus for a 35-50% pay cut?

Please someone tell me I’ve been misinformed!
CAE is having the same issue manning the A220 SIM in Australia
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Old 24th Mar 2023, 21:10
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The fact of it is NJS made their bed, took a huge steaming dump in it and are now standing there wondering why they don’t want to sleep in it. The actual price for pilots is going up fast and they don’t want to pay.
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Old 24th Mar 2023, 23:56
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Originally Posted by BravoSierraLima
Rumours that some mainline SH FOs have been quietly sounded out about taking A220 DECs on the NJS contract.
If true it will be a curious test of mainline pilots mettle in the face of the 'subsidiary expansion at mainline expense' theme.
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Old 25th Mar 2023, 00:08
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If true it will be a curious test of mainline pilots mettle in the face of the 'subsidiary expansion at mainline expense' theme.
it’s not true , rumour only .
The first problem NJS will face is the closure of BNE and holding onto existing crews
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Old 25th Mar 2023, 02:02
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NJS advertised for foreign DE training captains with 500hrs on A220. They advertised for 28 days on 6 platforms and received 28 applicants, 4 of which met the requirements, none of which have Australian work rights.

So NJS’ plan B is for 10 foreign pilots across both ranks with A220 time to be recruited on visas with a pathway to permanent residency. If that doesn’t work, then they will try to get contract pilots in from overseas.

Wow… all of this, rather than just pay people competitive remuneration and retention bonuses in the first place? This is the management geniuses ‘shaking the tree’ I suppose.

One can only imagine what the crewing forecast for the subsidiaries with even worse conditions and cultures is like.
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Old 25th Mar 2023, 05:48
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Originally Posted by BravoSierraLima
Surely QF managers aren’t seriously wondering why no one flying A220s in the USA wants to come back to Aus for a 35-50% pay cut?
Try a 60% pay cut
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Old 25th Mar 2023, 17:39
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I’ll see your 60% and raise you 200%+.

American Airlines narrow body captains are staring down the barrel at salaries rising to $470,000 USD ($710k AUD) within a few years, then add on the 401k and the profit sharing and there is no way in hell Australia will be attracting guys from Merca to come here.
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Old 25th Mar 2023, 20:35
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
I’ll see your 60% and raise you 200%+.

American Airlines narrow body captains are staring down the barrel at salaries rising to $470,000 USD ($710k AUD) within a few years, then add on the 401k and the profit sharing and there is no way in hell Australia will be attracting guys from Merca to come here.
There will be plenty of expats wanting to come home. The majority will never have a shot at the majors over there unless they win the green card lottery. The Visas they are employed on lock them to the employer "sponsoring" them - none of which are legacy airlines.
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