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Old 12th Sep 2022, 04:53
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I have absolutely no idea what you intend by your reference to Aborigines, so I'll steer way clear of it.

As to what you're thinking, think no more: Aviation is not "necessary", but it depends on what you mean by "necessary". The economists talk about needs and wants. Needs are things which, if not satisfied, result in you dying. Wants are things that make your quality of life better after your needs are met.

I've attended a seminar that included representatives of the aviation regulator and the maritime regulator. The latter opened by saying: "Without the maritime industry, half the world would freeze and half the world would starve. Without the aviation industry, there would be no aviation industry."

That's why the disruption of shipping out of Ukraine is important. Michelle and Ferret's lost baggage; not so much, especially when they keep paying in advance for the 'service'.
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I've attended a seminar that included representatives of the aviation regulator and the maritime regulator. The latter opened by saying: "Without the maritime industry, half the world would freeze and half the world would starve. Without the aviation industry, there would be no aviation industry."
Well of course a virus is going to say that about its host. Without a very important maritime industry there is not a very important maritime regular.
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It’s more to do with a thing called “objective fact”.
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Old 12th Sep 2022, 08:20
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Ships, trains and trucks handle the mass flow of essential human items. Aviation carts the luxury items and holiday makers. Its actually quite accurate to say the world would not falter without Aviation, and correct that current populations in various places would struggle without regular surface based replenishment. With modern communications and devices there is even less essential need for people to travel. Most do because they can, not because they absolutely have to.
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Old 12th Sep 2022, 09:38
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Aviation carts the luxury items and holiday makers.
The mail, the kidneys, the medicines ...........
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…the crop sprays, the fire retardant, the medivacs.
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Old 12th Sep 2022, 10:59
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I've attended a seminar that included representatives of the aviation regulator and the maritime regulator. The latter opened by saying: "Without the maritime industry, half the world would freeze and half the world would starve. Without the aviation industry, there would be no aviation industry."

That's why the disruption of shipping out of Ukraine is important…..
“…maritime regulator…”. I think his battle ship were sunk long ago. I wonder what the Ukrainians would have said if the yanks decided to use cargo ships instead of Galaxy’s to get the guns and ammo in ?

Back after Tracy visited Darwin I were out the airport helping to unload a cargo plane. Noted the big lines of people loading up onto the likes of Qantas. Perhaps the cruise liners should have been used…




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The mail went by boat, train and truck, it just goes faster by air, again a luxury. It goes even faster by email which requires no transportation. Airborne fire fighting is not essential, neither is medivac, they are just faster or different methods of delivery, as with medicines. Aviation aids globalisation so that time critical things can be made far away and transported, otherwise you just produce the product closer. Make smaller well positioned hospitals, train more specialists, so that patients need not be transported to centralised medical facilities and so on. Don't live in fire prone areas, which is still not a good idea as aerial application only makes the effort to stop wild fire slightly easier, no where near a panacea for it. That's how it all was before globalisation. Mass farmed goods and mined ores/gases on the other hand have to be transported. If we stopped aerial fire services and air ambulances, some, people will die. If you suddenly stop grain and rice shipments and gas, oil, coal, etc a lot of the world will starve or freeze, millions will die. If you stop aviation, we all get bored and cant eat fresh caviar anywhere we want. I mean you still could travel by ship or train, it would just take longer and foreign destinations would actually be foreign as the fresher local foods and things will go back to being exotic, not some warped looking version of what you have anyway.
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Please FB, Austral and 601 et al: Don’t misconstrue my highlighting an objective fact as instead being an argument that aviation capability is worthless.

Please.
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Benchmarking.

Benchmark staff salaries to Bangladesh and India. Our costs are too high.

Benchmark executive salaries to New York and London. We have to attract the best and brightest.
I can't remember where I saw it but some months ago I watched a quite well structured and well thought out presentation with evidence provided that tackled this concept of "paying to attract the best talent" and completely blew it out of the water. The guy that presented it, sorry, as I stated, I just can't remember where I saw it, said it is utter nonsense and in fact, paying higher and higher salaries does the exact opposite, it attracts the lower end of the talent pool because it appeals to people who's motivation is money and not achievement.
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I can't remember where I saw it but some months ago I watched a quite well structured and well thought out presentation with evidence provided that tackled this concept of "paying to attract the best talent" and completely blew it out of the water. The guy that presented it, sorry, as I stated, I just can't remember where I saw it, said it is utter nonsense and in fact, paying higher and higher salaries does the exact opposite, it attracts the lower end of the talent pool because it appeals to people who's motivation is money and not achievement.
Jose Ortega y Gasset had an idea that might work there. Perhaps every one of upper level management needs to be demoted one level…
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective View Post
I can't remember where I saw it but some months ago I watched a quite well structured and well thought out presentation with evidence provided that tackled this concept of "paying to attract the best talent" and completely blew it out of the water. The guy that presented it, sorry, as I stated, I just can't remember where I saw it, said it is utter nonsense and in fact, paying higher and higher salaries does the exact opposite, it attracts the lower end of the talent pool because it appeals to people who's motivation is money and not achievement.

This guy explains how the business world has 20 ways to measure someone's performance but virtually no way to measure their trustworthiness.

Maybe they should start making both a metric for bonuses. Watch remuneration tumble.

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I have absolutely no idea what you intend by your reference to Aborigines
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You've got me thinking is aviation necessary at all? Come to think of it, not much is necessary aka Aborigines
I thought the meaning would have been obvious, the Aboriginal in his native state has the ability to survive quite ably and happily with little to no impact upon his environment, and living in harmony with same. Unlike we who rape the environment by means of agriculture, mining, cities, destruction of fauna and flora etc We call it progress, but is it really?
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I saidI thought the meaning would have been obvious, the Aboriginal in his native state has the ability to survive quite ably and happily with little to no impact upon his environment, and living in harmony with same. Unlike we who rape the environment by means of agriculture, mining, cities, destruction of fauna and flora etc We call it progress, but is it really?
Australia’s now missing megafauna might disagree…

Anyway, progress is what nature intended for all of us. We need to evolve to become a multi planet, multi galaxy, Human being species…. likely, an ElectroBeing.




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Australia’s now missing megafauna might disagree…
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Well spotted that fellow.
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Must be full moon...
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 08:36
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Must be full moon...
To Elon Musk it is always full moon - Shoot for it…
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Australia’s now missing megafauna might disagree…

Anyway, progress is what nature intended for all of us. We need to evolve to become a multi planet, multi galaxy, Human being species…. likely, an ElectroBeing.




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Climate change did most of the the damage.
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Climate change did most of the the damage.
And some of the damage to Qantas - The religion of Climate Change that is…

Via Noel Pearson, The Climate Change Quadrant, 2009:

”…Most of Australia’s climate-change action policy advocates … believe that climate change is real, is caused by humans, and that urgent and dramatic action must be taken to reduce carbon emissions. They are also economically secure. All of the media and the legions of educated people who believe in global warming fall within this quadrant…”

Seems Pearson is of the view that the rich are happy to pay their, to them, trifling tithes to the climate religion and the poor be damned… Perhaps he is thinking let the poor eat cake while they watch that Qantas jet fly over…



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