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Old 7th Sep 2022, 01:23
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Old 7th Sep 2022, 01:40
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Originally Posted by bazza stub View Post
Simple answer for Alan if he’s so confident with the safety of his outsourced operation would be to make himself criminally liable for anything that goes wrong. If the operation is so safe he shouldn’t have an issue with that surely.
He hand-balled that little hot footy to Andrew David some time ago.
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Old 7th Sep 2022, 02:03
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So basically it will be “I’ll look into it”, so she’ll contact CASA, they’ll confirm that they’re happy with how current ops are going and all Safety Management Systems are working and that will be the end of that.
You hit it right on the head.

Qantas safety: CASA says it’s confident in airline (smh.com.au)

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Old 7th Sep 2022, 02:42
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CASA has no interest in taking Qantas head on. They look at the manuals to ensure that the SMS is in place an operating IAW said manuals but no way are they going to look at the engineering shop floor or the ramp to uncover potential safety issues. They would just agree with Alan and consider it part of a Union plot to undermine the brand that is Qantas. It would also impact on their access to the Chairman's lounge.
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Old 7th Sep 2022, 02:58
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The real question to ask CASA is: What contraventions of the aviation law by Qantas or its personnel have you ever found?

I'd love to watch the spin doctors spin their way around that one.
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The real question to ask CASA is: What contraventions of the aviation law by Qantas or its personnel have you ever found?
Most likely in the long run we will possibly see the same relationship Boeing had with the FAA has been happening with CASA and QF. That is the governing body passed so much on in self regulation that they really have no idea what happens within the company and any regulation is based on receiving the right reports from said company and waiting for something to happen. I've worked in a few GA companies where CASA turned up and have very little idea what we did, look at some systems and procedures, make sure logbooks and duty times are consistent and moved on without a lot of comment if you just shoved a lot of paperwork at them. Only thing they could pick on were aircraft placards, maintenance releases and some logbooks needing work, the actual operational side was almost ignored.
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But when things ‘happen’, they still do what exactly? Air Asia X will always be a classic example. Racked up a dozen safety, all serious, safety investigations, yet not a single sanction. I was far from impressed with the approach taken towards that operator, which was do nothing.

When I wrote to CASA asking why I continue to share airspace with the operator citing about two dozen incidents here and abroad, they simply advised they had conducted ramp checks, reviewed manuals, procedures, which sat at standard or above. Now my issue isn’t with paperwork, it’s with the check and training departments, and poor CRM. I have never seen such a disregard for Airbus procedures in my entire career. Yet nothing was done.

I don’t think anyone gets special treatment. It’s just, everyone gets no treatment.
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Old 7th Sep 2022, 15:42
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He has a handshake that makes you want to wash and disinfect your hands afterwards. Only met him the once and wiped my hand down my trouser leg after escaping his limp grip.
I doubt any current employee would shake his hand.

Or any passenger for that matter.
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Old 7th Sep 2022, 21:49
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Poppajo:
don’t think anyone gets special treatment. It’s just, everyone gets no treatment.
Poppa, I have consistently said that CASA does not have the ability to survielle QANTAS or any other Jet operating RPT airline since at least as early as 1978. They can only confine themselves to auditing paperwork and paper systems. They have no technical capacity to engage directly with any engineering or operational issue involving a heavy jet.

1978 was when I built an IT based engineering defect analysis system to provide reports to the regulator; “tell us how safe you are “ was the CAA request. The system calculated our performance using statistical quality control methods and every month we sent the report to CAA. Never heard from them again.

‘’Fast forward to 2018 - QANTAS pilot mate: “They come around asking questions, we tell them bull####, they go away”.

‘’Now if you are a GA person CASA can and will make your life hell if they feel like it because the aircraft are easy to understand and you do not have the political clout that QANTAS has.
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I doubt any current employee would shake his hand.
Well. I'm not (strictly speaking a current employee) but when I was I sure as hell would! And so vigorously the little gnome would have suffered major issues for the rest of his life if I had the strength!

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Old 8th Sep 2022, 14:18
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Originally Posted by T-Vasis View Post

It all could have been solved so easily by Qantas showing some reciprocal loyalty to its dedicated and loyal staff, which could have been transferred to our loyal and dedicated passengers.”

Did this article just finish or did I miss the details around this magical solution where you don’t cut any costs despite going through a crisis and bleeding to death?
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I always made sure to never let him or any of his sidekicks get close enough to be able to shake my hand.
The thought of him referring to his employees as 'our people' made me want to throw up.
His handshake would be like grabbing hold of a wet salmon. A little weed of a man feeling all mighty and powerful while sitting upon his protected Mascot throne. But place him in the real world and he would tremble and shiver like a scared little child.
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Originally Posted by Gunner747400 View Post
Here we go:
Qantas launches investigation into overloaded Sydney flight (smh.com.au)
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Prediction as to what Q, ATSB and CASA will conclude: There was never any risk to safety.
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I take your point, but there actually wasn’t. If 160 kgs was critical then they had better start weighing passengers.
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Thought it was rather amusing that they felt the need to state that the baggage handling for the flight was conducted but “our in house team” in there internal email..
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I take your point, but there actually wasn’t. If 160 kgs was critical then they had better start weighing passengers.
they do weigh passengers for lord Howe flights.
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post
I take your point, but there actually wasn’t. If 160 kgs was critical then they had better start weighing passengers.
Then the aircraft wasn't 'overloaded' and remaining within the W&B envelope is just a rule of thumb. (I could have sworn that exceeding the W&B envelope is a strict liability offence for some reason...)

(Coincidentally, for the first time I've ever heard in on a commercial jet, an announcement was made, while we were disembarking, that the rear passengers had to quickly move to the front of the aircraft because there was a risk it would tip back on its tail. Australian carrier. 21st century. I kid you not.)
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Not uncommon to unload a dash 8 as quick as possible to avoid it getting tail heavy . A new casa inspector lost it over standard weights for bags and pax , plus carry on not weighed and rang the shonky bell . Proceeded direct to his boss with his findings only to be told to let it go .
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The aircraft I was disembarking wasn't a Dash 8...
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